== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting: Ubuntu LoCo Council Meeting 2024-02-09, started by DiogoConstantino, 09 Feb at 12:26 — 14:07 UTC. * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-09-12.26.log.html == Meeting summary == === Review CC Meeting on 2023-09-26 and derived subtopics === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 12:29. * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/loco-council-meeting-schedule-and-agenda/42037 (youngbin, 12:29) === Review CC Meeting on 2023-09-26 and derived subtopics === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 12:33. === LoCo Council Communication === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 12:39. === Review the LoCo (re)validation procedure === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 13:10. * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-local-community-verification/36573 (DiogoConstantino, 13:10) * ''VOTE:'' +1 (Carried) (DiogoConstantino, 13:15) * ''VOTE:'' +1 (Carried) (DiogoConstantino, 13:20) === Increasing visibility of the rebirth of the LoCo Council === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 13:21. * ''VOTE:'' to do an AMA on Ubuntu On Air, and announce the survey? (Carried) (DiogoConstantino, 13:29) === Identification of existing LoCo’s and prospective LoCo’s === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 13:29. * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/locolint i think so...? (youngbin, 13:33) * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/locolint (coolbhavi, 13:34) === Identification of additional LoCo support structures === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 13:43. * ''LINK:'' https://fsf.org.in/ (DiogoConstantino, 13:47) === LoCo outreach === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 13:52. === coolbhavi to report on the Indian Loco === Discussion started by DiogoConstantino at 13:54. == Vote results == * [[https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-09-12.26.log.html#291|+1]] * Motion carried (For: 4, Against: 0, Abstained: 0) * Voters: DiogoConstantino, mapreri, youngbin, coolbhavi, DiogoConstantino * [[https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-02-09-12.26.log.html#333|to do an AMA on Ubuntu On Air, and announce the survey?]] * Motion carried (For: 4, Against: 0, Abstained: 0) * Voters: coolbhavi, youngbin, DiogoConstantino, mapreri, youngbin, DiogoConstantino, coolbhavi == People present (lines said) == * DiogoConstantino (217) * coolbhavi (95) * youngbin (65) * mapreri (63) * meetingology (41) * mIk3_08 (14) * kanashiro (13) == Full log == 12:26 #startmeeting 12:26 Meeting started at 12:26:12 UTC. The chair is DiogoConstantino. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 12:26 Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 12:26 Cheers to our first meeting after resurrection 12:26 #chair DiogoConstantino 12:26 Current chairs: DiogoConstantino 12:27 #meetingtopic Ubuntu LoCo Council Meeting 2024-02-09 12:27 so let's start 12:27 #meetingtopic Ubuntu LoCo Council Meeting 2024-02-09 12:28 do we want to add something to the order of work? 12:28 we have meeting agenda. maybe you want to use #topic command to set agenda item 12:29 #topic Review CC Meeting on 2023-09-26 and derived subtopics 12:29 Yes .. wanted to know about the new loco portal progress 12:29 #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/loco-council-meeting-schedule-and-agenda/42037 12:29 coolbhavi: we will add that to the end 12:29 Thanks 12:31 so reviewing the summary 12:31 I see that there was a lot about the LoCo Council reboot 12:31 including shedule for meetings 12:32 are we all confortable with this schedule? 12:32 +1 12:32 +1 12:32 +1 12:32 +1 12:32 btw what agenda are we currently discussing? 12:33 Review CC Meeting on 2023-09-26 and derived subtopics 12:33 #topic Review CC Meeting on 2023-09-26 and derived subtopics 12:33 #topic Review CC Meeting on 2023-09-26 and derived subtopics 12:34 since I'm the chair I don't know if the bot will take into consideration your entries 12:34 yup i think so 12:35 so I propose we continue to use the current schedule for meeting every month? 12:35 hello, sorry I'm late! 12:35 or do you feel we should meet more often? 12:35 hello! 12:36 hi mapreri? 12:36 Hello mapreri 12:36 Current schedule looks good for me 12:36 his this day of the week and time of the day good for meetings? 12:37 monthly's good 12:37 ok 12:37 I think once or twice a month 12:37 is good 12:37 I agree with mapreri 12:37 either once or twice a month im good with both :) 12:37 lets start with once, we can increase if needed 12:37 +1 12:38 +1 12:38 +1 12:38 I agree too and I am flexible with the timings too 12:38 +1 12:38 for timings, I normally can do any time, I have very few things I can't move around. 12:38 ok so I don't think there's anything else on this topic, do you agree? 12:38 Yes 12:38 yup i think we can move on to next topic 12:39 #topic LoCo Council Communication 12:40 so besides using discourse, to announce hour meetings and decisions, how else, should be communicate and for what purposes? 12:40 I am active on Matrix and it just suits me better for quick chat 12:40 maybe we can have a public room on ubuntu matrix server 12:40 we should definitively use that 12:41 I heard something being worked on by Mauro, or the intetion for it 12:41 Rest I think discourse and mailing lists are fine.. 12:41 do any of you know more about it? 12:41 youngbin: any idea? 12:41 how about the not official member of Ubuntu can access matrix? 12:41 i would also like to ask should we keep rebooter group on telegram or ask people in that room to new matrix room later? 12:42 there was the intention to move I believe 12:42 totally pls keep telegram, until there are enough people on matrix, at least (I'm not yet… :( ) 12:42 mIk3_08: you can join the room with non ubuntu.com account :) 12:42 we can bridge it maybe 12:42 mapreri: surely we can do things slowly 12:43 youngbin. Thanks 12:43 agreed we an setup bridge until all folks moved to matrix 12:43 so lets follow up with Mauro, on that, and setup the bridge when we have the matrix channel 12:43 oh the topic of discourse, I think as council we should monitor ("watch") several boards - should we keep a list of somewhere of what all of us are supposed to monitor? 12:44 Yes.. anyway since youngbin is active on matrix.. can have a quick chat anytime 12:44 mapreri: we should definitively, all those rellated with LoCo's 12:44 That is good idea mapreri. 12:44 like, apparently https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/locos/loco-support/156 + https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/locos/docs/130 + … like the meeting agenda, that was posted in the mail board, but I don't want to subscribe that as it would notify for all suboards? 12:45 Discourse.. keeping a list of pages is required I think for any loco team update tracking 12:45 maybe we can also do a regular report of LoCo activity, not just on discourse 12:45 +1 12:45 keep an eye also on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter 12:46 +1 12:46 +1 12:47 so we can mabe open a pad every week and contribute to it 12:47 discourse have notification so maybe we can just subscribe to category. loco report activity on other places also sounds good 12:47 DiogoConstantino: mhh, activity of what are you talking about, sorry? 12:47 of each loco? 12:47 I would say anything we find relevant 12:48 it doesn't need to be all 12:48 mh, I fear you are too optimist :) 12:48 just the things we find more interesting 12:48 btw are we on "Review the LoCo (re)validation procedure" topic? 12:48 something different that a LoCo is doing 12:48 youngbin: not yet 12:48 :-D mapreri 12:48 still on communication 12:48 Like ubucon updates for instance.. 12:49 or some new iniciative 12:49 +1 12:49 an inovation 12:50 so maybe we can come up with proposals for this 12:50 in writting 12:50 for next meeting 12:50 and we vote on it 12:50 Would love to have a discussion on structuring of loco teams some day 12:50 do you agree? 12:50 +1 12:50 +1 12:51 ok 12:51 so also still regarding communication 12:51 so we're going to collect loco activities on pad? 12:52 sorry guys, I had a last minute concurrent meeting but I am reading the backlog 12:52 youngbin: the idea is to come up with a proposal on what to do about it 12:52 a vote on it next month 12:52 I feel the concept needs to be developed 12:53 my take on that is that my loco really has no such wide/interesting activities that are worth reporting monthly… even yearly. We are basically mostly carrying on. 12:53 that's what we want to change 12:53 so asking for "reports" is imho both a "push to actually do more interesting stuff" and "damn they want me to do paperwork" 12:53 not sure what wins of the two 12:53 Can we send proposals and ideas on mailing list or do you prefer elsewhere? 12:54 which mailing list? 12:54 indeed, this should be flashed out elsewhere, not in this meeting 12:54 there's a LoCo council mailing list 12:54 so i understand the purpose is that we want to have some insights of what locos are doing? 12:54 but let's put them on discourse 12:54 :) 12:55 mapreri 12:55 I'll create a topic on that 12:55 ty 12:55 and we can post it there 12:55 Thanks 12:55 is it ok? 12:55 I believe we first need to understand how healthy are the locos to then try to take any action to improve them, not sure if you guys have an idea about how locos are doing 12:55 I have on some 12:55 not all 12:55 most are incipient at this point 12:56 and some are letargic 12:56 some are however very active 12:56 sharing those things would be great for the new people like me :) 12:56 *are very 12:56 Can we have a survey a general one covering the issues and pain points if any for a start? 12:56 that's a good idea 12:57 that'd be a good start IMO 12:57 +1 12:57 yup soduns like good idea :) 12:57 +1 12:57 +1 12:57 +1 12:57 ok we shall prepare one 12:57 Yes 12:58 that's likely point 5 of this meeting? kinda… 12:58 each of us come up with questions, and we can make a final version next month 12:58 Seems good 12:58 sounds good. do we want to organize some action items before moving on? 12:58 but of course, I agree. 12:58 well lets just reorganize and go back to the topics 12:59 please. 12:59 ok 12:59 cool DiogoConstantino.. 12:59 continuing on communication 12:59 how do we promote/communicate the idea of LoCos? 12:59 and where? 12:59 this is also part of our mission 13:00 can we maybe do an Ubuntu On Air session? 13:00 Social media and in opensource conferences and on YouTube? 13:01 +1 for ubuntu on air 13:01 we can think about what loco do first. what loco usually do would be gathering folks interested in ubuntu and foss in their region 13:01 that's a good idea, there's a lot we alreay know 13:02 but maybe we don't know a lot 13:02 I do know a bit about Europe 13:02 Exactly 13:02 at least for me (who is new to this subject in Ubuntu) it is hard to say when I do not understand well who we are trying to reach out exactly. That's why I mentioned that understanding the current state would help in any further action 13:02 also what Lina reported from Colombia 13:02 but I understand you guys have more knowledge than me on this 13:02 +1 to kanashiro here 13:03 it seems that we are not ready to talk about promotion at all to me 13:03 ok 13:03 first step is listing out what we have (locos , then work from there. 13:03 Lets develop from grassroots level first 13:03 first step is listing out what we have (locos + what they are doing right now), then work from there. 13:03 +1 13:03 ok 13:03 +1 13:03 +1 13:03 about that 13:04 do tell 13:04 we have a loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com private mail list, which I believe nobody subscribed us to. I'm sure we will eventually need that private thing. Should I liaise with IS to take it over? 13:04 yes please 13:05 (i have a previous experience on taking over MLs…) 13:05 Oops my network on laptop got disconnected:( 13:05 I am on that list from over 10 years 13:05 coolbhavi: do you have the admin pw? 13:05 Because of my last term 13:05 me, in my loco. im doing some fbpage. sad to say. only few followers i have in ubuntu page in social media. 13:05 Agreed with mapreri said before mentioned before mailing list 13:05 so we all agree 13:05 nice 13:06 mapreri: I am afraid I lost it as it got inactive 7 years ago 13:06 let's just do the vote on the bot thing 13:06 i agree with mapreri too. 13:06 And yes, I also agree with mailing list for some private thing 13:06 sorry guys, but I will need to leave in around 5 minutes. I'll read the notes/backlog later 13:07 #voters kanashiro mapreri coolbhavi DiogoConstantino youngbin 13:07 Current voters: DiogoConstantino, coolbhavi, kanashiro, mapreri, youngbin 13:07 Thanks for joining kanashiro :) 13:07 #vote +1 13:07 Please vote on: +1 13:07 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') 13:07 +1 received from DiogoConstantino 13:07 +1 13:07 +1 received from coolbhavi 13:07 +1 13:07 +1 received from youngbin 13:07 +1 13:07 +1 received from kanashiro 13:07 +1 although I'm sure what we are voting on right now? :$ 13:07 +1 although I'm sure what we are voting on right now? :$ received from mapreri 13:07 on your proposal 13:07 Thanks kanashiro .. btw 13:08 oh good, yes +1 :P 13:08 to first get to know 13:08 then promote 13:08 Yes 13:08 i have to go people. Thanks! cheers. 13:08 I'll try to make it more obvious next vote 13:08 * kanashiro says goodbye to everyone o/ 13:09 do you all have to go? 13:09 we can leave the rest for next meeting if you do 13:09 I can stay on 13:09 Can stay more too 13:09 I'm also here 13:09 ok 13:09 so lets continue 13:10 on to the next topic 13:10 #topic Review the LoCo (re)validation procedure 13:10 I see this was already done: 13:10 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-local-community-verification/36573 13:10 I just wanted to review with you all 13:11 and see if we should keep it as is, or is any major change we feel we should do right now 13:11 one questions, should verification-expired loco go through re-verification or fisrt time verification process? 13:12 I believe re-verefication 13:12 I think we currently have like, 1 or 2 verified locos? pretty much everything needs to be re-verified 13:12 which makes sense, considering how much changed in the past decade 13:12 Ah this one I think we can do it on the terms of ubuntu members team for instance once verified then autorenewal for 2 years with reports to the loco council on the progress 13:13 🆗 13:13 Verification I find a discourse thread easier 13:13 I agree 13:13 from that post I only have 1 point 13:13 do tell 13:13 "Add a short overview of the activities undertaken in the LoCo over the past 6 months with links to showcase the same. This can include blog posts, event reports, photos, etc." 13:13 6 months feels wrong 13:13 why? 13:14 too short for me 13:14 1 year then 13:14 how long would you feel confortable and why? 13:14 Like the previous year maybe 13:14 With summary of all activities 13:15 and they should also talk about future plans (like we ask for previously verified which missed the deadline) 13:15 +1 13:15 +1 received from coolbhavi 13:15 DiogoConstantino: do a #endvote pls 13:15 #endvote 13:15 Voting ended on: +1 13:15 Votes for: 5, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0 13:15 Motion carried 13:15 forgot that 13:16 should I just edit the post? 13:16 so write a proposal and lets vote on that 13:16 I like it too 13:16 for me past 1 year also sounds good. for loco done something big. such as UbuCon Asia, Europe. they might got exhausted and want some rest. 13:16 oh I can't edit it. Aaron being superuser always makes me forget that… 13:17 +1 youngbin 13:17 we should ask for us to be admins in https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/locos/docs/130 to be able to edit the first post or something. 13:17 mapreri: we can do that latter 13:18 just type here what you propose 13:18 and we vote 13:18 then we can pursuit the rest 13:18 1 year timeframe for reverification report 13:19 change point 2 of the verification process with "Add a short overview of the activities undertaken in the LoCo over the past year, with links to showcase them; this includes blog posts, event reports, photos, etc. Also talk about the future plans of your LoCo." 13:19 #voters coolbhavi DiogoConstantino youngbin mapreri 13:19 Current voters: DiogoConstantino, coolbhavi, kanashiro, mapreri, youngbin 13:19 +1 13:19 +1 13:19 err 13:19 you missed #vote 13:19 haha 13:19 #vote 13:19 Please vote on: 13:19 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') 13:19 #vote +1 13:19 Please vote on: +1 13:19 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') 13:19 +1 13:19 #vote + subject right? 13:19 +1 received from DiogoConstantino 13:19 +1 received from mapreri 13:19 +1 13:19 +1 received from youngbin 13:19 +1 13:19 +1 received from coolbhavi 13:19 DiogoConstantino: #vote is to *start the voting* not to vote :P 13:20 +1 13:20 +1 received from DiogoConstantino 13:20 it works anyway I believe 13:20 endvote pls 13:20 #endvote 13:20 Voting ended on: +1 13:20 Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0 13:20 Motion carried 13:20 ok 13:21 lets move on to the next topic 13:21 the text after #vote is the "title" of what we are voting on 13:21 (and such text gets carried over to the minutes) 13:21 ah ok 13:21 #topic Increasing visibility of the rebirth of the LoCo Council 13:22 so do we need to do something about this, and how? 13:22 (so no "#vote +1" does not cast a vote; the "+1" needs to be the first chars of the line) 13:22 DiogoConstantino: so it's about promoting that we're back? 13:23 yes 13:23 For this we can do a team meeting and stream on Ubuntu on air maybe? 13:23 Including the usual discourse social media and uwn 13:24 I think we could do such thing, pulling in LoCo leaders, etc, after having a list of such locos… 13:24 AMA on UbuntuOnAir? discourse, social, blog, uwn also good way to promote 13:24 an AMA could be good. with the loco leaders :P 13:24 Yes 13:24 we can also use it to announce the survey 13:24 Yes 13:25 yups agreed that we should reach out loco leaders first. im actually trying to reach out VN loco (since fossasia happening in Hanoi early April) 13:25 so the idea is to do an AMA on Ubuntu On Air, and announce the survey? 13:26 Yes 13:26 ok lets vote on it 13:26 #vote to do an AMA on Ubuntu On Air, and announce the survey? 13:26 Please vote on: to do an AMA on Ubuntu On Air, and announce the survey? 13:26 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname') 13:27 +1 13:27 +1 received from coolbhavi 13:27 +1 13:27 +1 received from youngbin 13:27 +1 13:27 +1 received from DiogoConstantino 13:27 #voters coolbhavi youngbin DiogoConstantino mapreri 13:27 Current voters: DiogoConstantino, coolbhavi, kanashiro, mapreri, youngbin 13:28 +1 13:28 +1 received from mapreri 13:28 +1 13:28 +1 received from youngbin 13:28 +1 13:28 +1 received from DiogoConstantino 13:28 +1 13:28 +1 received from coolbhavi 13:28 (#votes is good for the whole duration of the meeting, no need to write it all the time) 13:28 ah 13:29 ok 13:29 #endvote 13:29 Voting ended on: to do an AMA on Ubuntu On Air, and announce the survey? 13:29 Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0 13:29 Motion carried 13:29 next topic? 13:29 yups 13:29 #topic Identification of existing LoCo’s and prospective LoCo’s 13:30 so this is pretty much what we also want to do with the survey, but the propective LoCo's is also in here 13:30 we also want to know what people need to take the next step 13:31 and become an official LoCo 13:31 I feel it's slightly different 13:31 the issues might be different 13:31 and the help we can spare might also be different 13:31 Survey and manual reachout will help here I guess.. as far as I remember there was a tool called locolint which checked the basics of active or inactive last time I was around 13:32 we should split this into two paths/groups of questions on the survey 13:32 coolbhavi: I never heard of that before 13:33 should be this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoLint 13:33 https://launchpad.net/locolint i think so...? 13:34 we can try to check it 13:34 Yes 13:34 https://launchpad.net/locolint 13:34 but this is more for the (re)validation I believe 13:35 or ? 13:35 Yes but more features can be added 13:36 I really don't think we need to be so analytical about the current LoCo tbh. 13:36 so anyway we can use the Ubuntu On Air to appeal LoCo Leaders to contact us and prospective Loco teams as well 13:36 at FOSDEM, we tried to promote LoCo's so I expect something to come from that 13:37 +1 maperi as we are just restarting :) 13:37 agreed with mapreri. and what DiogoConstantino done at fosdem sounds good :) 13:38 Same here 13:38 so no specific action point besides the appeal on the stream, right? 13:38 me and coolbhavi plan to have booth on fossasia too we can also do LoCo promo there 13:38 nice 13:38 Yes 13:39 ok lets move on to the next topic 13:39 i kind of envision just mailing all locos and ask you "do you exist? what's your name? what are you doing lately?" 13:39 and from there invite them for a chat in that call maybe. 13:39 mapreri: yup that would be also something we can try 13:40 I don't think it would be a good fit for a stream, but a private call yes 13:40 with the LoCo Leaders 13:40 +1 kind of reminds me of the developer advisory team in 2013 13:40 kind of an office hour for the LoCo Leaders 13:41 Exactly 13:41 I like it because it will be complementary to the survey, we can include ont he survey a question regarding the usefullness and schedule for such thing 13:42 anything else? 13:42 That's what the developer advisory team was doing with the developers in the community back in 2012 reach out, survey, office hour and summary 13:43 as it appears there's nothing else on the topic 13:43