== Meeting information ==

 * #ubuntu-meeting meeting, started by juliank, 11 Jan at 16:02 — 16:41 UTC.
 * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-01-11-16.02.log.html



== Meeting summary ==

=== Lightning rounds ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:02.

 * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-11-january-2024/   (juliank, 16:03)

=== Release incoming bugs ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:13.

 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:13)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:26)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:26)
 * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:27)

=== Team proposed-migration report ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:27.

 * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs   (juliank, 16:28)

=== AOB ===

Discussion started by juliank at 16:39.




== People present (lines said) ==

 * juliank (51)
 * slyon (9)
 * schopin (7)
 * enr0n (5)
 * bdmurray (4)
 * bdrung (4)
 * meetingology (2)
 * danilogondolfo (2)
 * mkukri (2)
 * waveform (2)
 * mateus-morais (1)
 * Skia (1)
 * adrien (1)
 * pushkarnk (1)



== Full log ==


 16:02 <juliank> #startmeeting

 16:02 <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:02:30 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology

 16:02 <mateus-morais> o/

 16:02 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick

 16:02 <juliank> I forgot the name

 16:02 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds

 16:03 <juliank> (This is the foundations weekly meeting)

 16:03 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-11-january-2024/

 16:06 <bdmurray> "Weird stuff"

 16:09 <slyon> danilogondolfo: see enr0n's status about the apparmor namespace issue. I guess that's what we see in Netplan, too?

 16:09 <schopin> why is netplan using unshare() ? oO

 16:10 <slyon> unshare? oO I didn't check the details yet, but we're seeing strange autopkgtest failures related to namespace restrictions, that cannot be reproduced in Debian

 16:11 <schopin> that'd be the syscall to create new namespaces :)

 16:12 <juliank> We ready to continue?

 16:12 <slyon> oh right. We're not creating any namespaces manually... But it was ringing a bell in my head when I saw that context :)

 16:12 <danilogondolfo> the issue we are seeing seems to not be related to that I guess. It's due to /usr/lib/netplan being deleted and not recreated due upgrade as far as I can see

 16:13 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs

 16:13 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 16:13 <enr0n> slyon: do you have a link to an example?

 16:13 <juliank> bug 2048953

 16:14 <juliank> mkukri already tagged it foundations-todo, but we also need to clean the rls-nn-incoming tag

 16:14 <mkukri> already tagged totdo

 16:14 <Skia> [5~[5~

 16:15 <slyon> enr0n: I don't think it's visible from the public logs. Danilo had to dig into a local VM to extract some logs. But it might be unrelated after all..

 16:15 <enr0n> ack

 16:15 <juliank> bug 1969394 is with desktop still I believe and not actionable

 16:16 <juliank> I'll bounce it to oo

 16:16 <juliank> bug 1838372

 16:16 <juliank> I don't think that's even possible?

 16:17 <bdmurray> That's my memory

 16:17 <juliank> Wayland doesn't support things like that by design for security reasons

 16:17 <bdrung> juliank, is there no way to map a window to a program name?

 16:17 <juliank> You can't get a list of windows even I believe

 16:17 <enr0n> I thought we did an SRU for this a year or two ago

 16:18 <bdrung> The use case: A user knows the icon and window title, but not the program name

 16:18 <enr0n> This looks like a duplicate of bug 1952947

 16:18 <juliank> Well

 16:19 <schopin> There's no DE-agnostic way, but maybe we can figure out an API for Gnome and KDE?

 16:19 <bdmurray> "The patch for this bug adds a message explaining that the -w,--window option cannot be used on Wayland, and suggests a method for finding the window's PID instead."

 16:19 <bdrung> Yes, but the problem is that user do not know the application name.

 16:20 <waveform> how does firefox manage it (as a Wayland application, and something that lists "what window do you want to share?")

 16:20 <schopin> FWIW xdg-portal has a way to list windows when trying to do screenshots/screencast.

 16:20 <waveform> ah

 16:20 <juliank> it might not be possible to get back to the pid from that

 16:20 <schopin> However reading the doc I didn't see a way to get from the handle to a PID or anything like that.

 16:21 <juliank> if you can get the .desktop that is enough though

 16:21 <juliank> But we can discuss this more and find out ways or someone on the bug tells us before comitting this to jira

 16:21 <juliank> bug 2048760

 16:21 <slyon> this is looking for a volunteer to do an MIR

 16:21 <schopin> not it

 16:21 <juliank> mkukri: ?

 16:22 <mkukri> sure

 16:22 <slyon> thanks!

 16:23 <juliank> bug 2048766

 16:23 <slyon> We have a plan for this one already (see my last comment)

 16:23 <slyon> I'm not sure how we can track it, to not forget about it?

 16:26 <slyon> we might target it to a milestone, so it pops up with the release team before release

 16:26 <juliank> Target to feature freeze milestone

 16:26 <juliank> and removed the incoming tag

 16:26 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 16:26 <juliank> is really nothing new there

 16:26 <juliank> just desktop stuff

 16:26 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 16:27 <juliank> surprisingly empty too

 16:27 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs

 16:27 <juliank> is empty too

 16:27 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report

 16:28 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs

 16:28 <juliank> firefox is hanging

 16:30 <juliank> libtircp vs glibc is with danilogondolfo still I believe

 16:30 <juliank> python-werkzeug is with slyon still

 16:30 <danilogondolfo> juliank, this one is related to the problem schopin is investigating in glibc

 16:31 <juliank> debconf is still with enr0n

 16:31 <juliank> wpa vs netplan is with ogayot

 16:31 <schopin> danilogondolfo: sorry I forgot to do the migration-reference runs for other archs than amd64 -_-

 16:33 <juliank> libxcrypt vs ruby

 16:33 <juliank> libxcrypt vs ruby: adrien?

 16:33 <adrien> I'm innocent (ack)

 16:34 <juliank> netplan.io blocking network-manager: slyon

 16:35 <juliank> systemd-hwe: enr0n

 16:35 <juliank> debootstrap: bdrung

 16:35 <bdrung> ack

 16:36 <juliank> rsyslog: xypron

 16:37 <juliank> Sadly we are out of bold items and I assigned alphabetically so uh sorry

 16:37 <juliank> Next time we can start from the back!

 16:38 <juliank> python-werkzeug: pushkarnk

 16:38 <pushkarnk> ack

 16:39 <juliank> #topic AOB

 16:39 <bdmurray> Monday is a US holiday

 16:39 <enr0n> \o/

 16:41 <juliank> well I guess that's it

 16:41 <juliank> #endmeeting



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