16:02 <juliank> #startmeeting 16:02 <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:02:30 UTC. The chair is juliank. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 16:02 <mateus-morais> o/ 16:02 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 16:02 <juliank> I forgot the name 16:02 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds 16:03 <juliank> (This is the foundations weekly meeting) 16:03 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-11-january-2024/ 16:06 <bdmurray> "Weird stuff" 16:09 <slyon> danilogondolfo: see enr0n's status about the apparmor namespace issue. I guess that's what we see in Netplan, too? 16:09 <schopin> why is netplan using unshare() ? oO 16:10 <slyon> unshare? oO I didn't check the details yet, but we're seeing strange autopkgtest failures related to namespace restrictions, that cannot be reproduced in Debian 16:11 <schopin> that'd be the syscall to create new namespaces :) 16:12 <juliank> We ready to continue? 16:12 <slyon> oh right. We're not creating any namespaces manually... But it was ringing a bell in my head when I saw that context :) 16:12 <danilogondolfo> the issue we are seeing seems to not be related to that I guess. It's due to /usr/lib/netplan being deleted and not recreated due upgrade as far as I can see 16:13 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs 16:13 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:13 <enr0n> slyon: do you have a link to an example? 16:13 <juliank> bug 2048953 16:14 <juliank> mkukri already tagged it foundations-todo, but we also need to clean the rls-nn-incoming tag 16:14 <mkukri> already tagged totdo 16:14 <Skia> [5~[5~ 16:15 <slyon> enr0n: I don't think it's visible from the public logs. Danilo had to dig into a local VM to extract some logs. But it might be unrelated after all.. 16:15 <enr0n> ack 16:15 <juliank> bug 1969394 is with desktop still I believe and not actionable 16:16 <juliank> I'll bounce it to oo 16:16 <juliank> bug 1838372 16:16 <juliank> I don't think that's even possible? 16:17 <bdmurray> That's my memory 16:17 <juliank> Wayland doesn't support things like that by design for security reasons 16:17 <bdrung> juliank, is there no way to map a window to a program name? 16:17 <juliank> You can't get a list of windows even I believe 16:17 <enr0n> I thought we did an SRU for this a year or two ago 16:18 <bdrung> The use case: A user knows the icon and window title, but not the program name 16:18 <enr0n> This looks like a duplicate of bug 1952947 16:18 <juliank> Well 16:19 <schopin> There's no DE-agnostic way, but maybe we can figure out an API for Gnome and KDE? 16:19 <bdmurray> "The patch for this bug adds a message explaining that the -w,--window option cannot be used on Wayland, and suggests a method for finding the window's PID instead." 16:19 <bdrung> Yes, but the problem is that user do not know the application name. 16:20 <waveform> how does firefox manage it (as a Wayland application, and something that lists "what window do you want to share?") 16:20 <schopin> FWIW xdg-portal has a way to list windows when trying to do screenshots/screencast. 16:20 <waveform> ah 16:20 <juliank> it might not be possible to get back to the pid from that 16:20 <schopin> However reading the doc I didn't see a way to get from the handle to a PID or anything like that. 16:21 <juliank> if you can get the .desktop that is enough though 16:21 <juliank> But we can discuss this more and find out ways or someone on the bug tells us before comitting this to jira 16:21 <juliank> bug 2048760 16:21 <slyon> this is looking for a volunteer to do an MIR 16:21 <schopin> not it 16:21 <juliank> mkukri: ? 16:22 <mkukri> sure 16:22 <slyon> thanks! 16:23 <juliank> bug 2048766 16:23 <slyon> We have a plan for this one already (see my last comment) 16:23 <slyon> I'm not sure how we can track it, to not forget about it? 16:26 <slyon> we might target it to a milestone, so it pops up with the release team before release 16:26 <juliank> Target to feature freeze milestone 16:26 <juliank> and removed the incoming tag 16:26 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:26 <juliank> is really nothing new there 16:26 <juliank> just desktop stuff 16:26 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:27 <juliank> surprisingly empty too 16:27 <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:27 <juliank> is empty too 16:27 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report 16:28 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs 16:28 <juliank> firefox is hanging 16:30 <juliank> libtircp vs glibc is with danilogondolfo still I believe 16:30 <juliank> python-werkzeug is with slyon still 16:30 <danilogondolfo> juliank, this one is related to the problem schopin is investigating in glibc 16:31 <juliank> debconf is still with enr0n 16:31 <juliank> wpa vs netplan is with ogayot 16:31 <schopin> danilogondolfo: sorry I forgot to do the migration-reference runs for other archs than amd64 -_- 16:33 <juliank> libxcrypt vs ruby 16:33 <juliank> libxcrypt vs ruby: adrien? 16:33 <adrien> I'm innocent (ack) 16:34 <juliank> netplan.io blocking network-manager: slyon 16:35 <juliank> systemd-hwe: enr0n 16:35 <juliank> debootstrap: bdrung 16:35 <bdrung> ack 16:36 <juliank> rsyslog: xypron 16:37 <juliank> Sadly we are out of bold items and I assigned alphabetically so uh sorry 16:37 <juliank> Next time we can start from the back! 16:38 <juliank> python-werkzeug: pushkarnk 16:38 <pushkarnk> ack 16:39 <juliank> #topic AOB 16:39 <bdmurray> Monday is a US holiday 16:39 <enr0n> \o/ 16:41 <juliank> well I guess that's it 16:41 <juliank> #endmeeting