== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting meeting, started by bdrung, 04 Jan at 16:04 — 16:55 UTC. * Full logs at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2024/ubuntu-meeting.2024-01-04-16.04.log.html == Meeting summary == === Lightning rounds === Discussion started by bdrung at 16:05. * ''LINK:'' https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-04-january-2024/41394/2 (bdrung, 16:05) === Release incoming bugs === Discussion started by bdrung at 16:18. * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs (bdrung, 16:18) * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs (bdrung, 16:28) * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs (bdrung, 16:32) * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs (bdrung, 16:32) * ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs (bdrung, 16:33) === Team proposed-migration report === Discussion started by bdrung at 16:34. * ''LINK:'' https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs (bdrung, 16:34) === AOB === Discussion started by bdrung at 16:47. * ''LINK:'' https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1059941 (FYI, part of a great discussion yesterday, ducking back out :) ) (tsimonq2, 16:49) == People present (lines said) == * vorlon (40) * bdrung (29) * slyon (8) * Skia (5) * bdmurray (4) * meetingology (2) * danilogondolfo (2) * enr0n (2) * adrien (2) * cpete (1) * dbungert (1) * xypron (1) * mkukri (1) * ogayot (1) * tsimonq2 (1) == Full log == 16:04 #startmeeting 16:04 Meeting started at 16:04:54 UTC. The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 16:04 Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 16:05 #topic Lightning rounds 16:05 #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-04-january-2024/41394/2 16:05 bdrung: Are these bug patterns you've committed or are you using them locally? 16:06 bdmurray, most of the news ones were just locally. I did not pushlish those bug pattern where I do not expect new reports in the future. 16:06 that makes sense to me 16:07 enr0n: new systemd changed the generator paths to move to /usr/lib, right? 16:08 yes, I've got into this problem hehe 16:08 I see netplan FTBFS in unstable and noble. But I guess that's actually a good thing, so we can move away from /lib 16:08 slyon: yes I believe so 16:09 Ubuntu has been "usr merged" for several cycles; as long as your files don't go missing on upgrade due to the /lib -> /usr/lib move, it's fine to use the new path 16:09 there's discussion on debian-devel about some of the pitfalls, mostly to do with Replaces: between packages at the same time as paths change 16:10 ACK. I think for Netplan it's not too special. We've been shipping the generator in /lib/ for legacy reasons, but I think the move should be pretty simple 16:12 Skia: What happened upstream with klibc? 16:13 nothing yet, the MR I uploaded to noble is still not merged: https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/klibc/-/merge_requests/12 16:15 Oh, debian modified coreutils ... got it 16:15 what happened instead is that Debian reverted upstream's behavior change in coreutils, so that cp and mv don't start breaking all the scripts of the world, and added a deprecation warning that upstream forgot 16:16 but I also red that they still need to fix broken cp/mv usage in packages, and that should include klibc 16:16 the change in coreutils is not new anymore by now though 16:17 according to the discussions upstream, it's not new, but it's not widely shipped by distributions either, so in a sense, it's quite new 16:17 enough time to read the reports. moving on. 16:18 #topic Release incoming bugs 16:18 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:18 bug #1969394 16:18 yeah, it's new for us because 9.2 and 9.3 had not been shipped in debian and ubuntu 16:18 correct 16:19 that update-manager bug is about UI changes and therefore belongs to the desktop team 16:20 bug #2017401 16:24 that one should be taken for noble, but there's no action for Foundations at the moment because there's a dependency on changes to livepatch to expose the necessary information about whether a reboot is required 16:26 I think we should go ahead and target this 16:27 okay, i'll tag it. 16:28 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:29 bug #2041518 is for the desktop team 16:29 bug #2041831 16:32 I'll ask the Desktop Team to investigate 16:32 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:32 nothing for us 16:32 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:33 nothing for us 16:33 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 16:34 nothing marked for us, but 12 unknown 16:34 #topic Team proposed-migration report 16:34 #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs 16:35 handing over to vorlon 16:35 per ginggs we can ignore the python3-defaults stuff, he and doko are working through that 16:35 apt aiui is with juliank 16:35 libcgi-pm-perl blocked for a little bit 16:36 i like to take pycryptodome which would be a follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pycryptodome/+bug/2039968 16:37 sounds like libcgi-pm-perl was with cpete, and needs some autopkgtests triggered cleverly 16:37 cpete: can you follow up with this? if there are questions about how to get the tests properly run, feel free to ask (me, #ubuntu-release, someone) 16:37 ack 16:38 python-secretstorage, IRC logs say cpete was touching this one as well? 16:38 at least the vorta autopkgtest part 16:40 let's pass that one to adrien 16:40 python-secretstorage: adrien 16:40 there's also an MIR issue in there too fwiw 16:40 Component mismatch entries 16:40 python3-secretstorage/amd64 in main cannot depend on python3-jeepney in universe 16:40 s390-tools, let's see if this is waiting for an AA 16:40 it is 16:40 hmm.. jeepney rings a bell 16:41 I'll take that (s390-tools + s390-tools-signed) 16:41 (but I can't find context, currently) 16:41 boost1.74 16:41 It might have been a MIR candidate in the past. 16:41 "only" stuck for 16 days, so we haven't looked at this yet :) 16:42 doko uploaded it but it was a no-change rebuild 16:42 bdrung: can you take this? 16:42 brltty blocks on liblouis, which is desktop's 16:43 i would prefer to follow up on pycryptodome (to help the python migration) 16:43 dpkg was my upload, but the sbuild autopkgtest behavior is knotty 16:43 dbungert: can you have a look at dpkg vs sbuild? 16:43 vorlon: ack 16:43 libtirpc vs glibc: danilogondolfo ? 16:43 vorlon, ack 16:44 socat: xypron? 16:44 ok 16:44 python-werkzeug: slyon? 16:44 ok 16:44 python-apt, I'm assuming juliank is on this one also 16:45 cmake: mkukri? 16:45 ack 16:45 debconf: enr0n? 16:45 vorlon: ack 16:45 I'll take acl 16:45 netplan.io vs wpa: ogayot? 16:45 vorlon: ack 16:46 ^ probably just flaky 16:46 fwiw if someone figures out the glibc stuff on debconf or libtirpc, maybe it also applies to binutils 16:46 not going to assign binutils at the moment though 16:46 btrfs-progs is i386 dep-wait, I'll take that 16:46 and that's the list 16:46 bdrung: 16:47 i looked at boost1.74. the fist test failure is a dependency issue and i probably just have to retry the test. 16:47 #topic AOB 16:49 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1059941 (FYI, part of a great discussion yesterday, ducking back out :) ) 16:54 Speak now or forever hold your peace 16:55 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.4.0 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)