15:05 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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15:05 <zhsj> haha
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15:06 <adrien> o/
15:06 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-7-sep-2023/
15:06 <dbungert> nice work
15:10 <pushkarnk> o/
15:10 <juliank> ah yes I also spent time this morning logging out and back into my desktop with various gnome component versions to bisect some regressions
15:11 <juliank> which I've just been told have been fixed now (dark theme not working correctly)
15:15 <juliank> let's move on, it's quiet today
15:15 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
15:15 <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
15:15 <juliank> bug 2033949
15:15 <juliank> I'm not sure how I'd want to track that, we already have the issue in progress in Jira for it
15:15 <juliank> but it's not linked to the bug
15:15 <juliank> mclemenceau: Any idea?
15:16 <mclemenceau> I would say we tag it foundations-todo
15:16 <juliank> ok
15:17 <juliank> bug 2033692
15:18 <juliank> hmm
15:18 <juliank> that is not true
15:19 <juliank> Our signed binaries embed the file these days, so it makes no sense to ship on uefi
15:19 <juliank> we can't load external fonts
15:19 <juliank> it might make sense for BIOS PXE boots
15:20 <vorlon> the netboot tarball covers BIOS as well fwiw
15:20 <juliank> Well not on arm64 though
15:20 <vorlon> I wasn't sure whether we would load external fonts in the UEFI case, yeah
15:21 <vorlon> fwiw mwhudson had already raised an MP on this
15:21 <juliank> I don't think it makes sense to tag unicode support on BIOS foundations-todo, it's not in our highest important bugs
15:22 <juliank> I commented that MP to say arm64 makes no sense
15:22 <juliank> and I just remove the tag
15:22 <juliank> bug 2033700
15:22 <vorlon> this came out of work to migrate a wiki page that hadn't been updated for the new netboot tarballs
15:22 <vorlon> so was a regression vs the status quo there
15:24 <juliank> cosmetic regression in menu rendering for bios users are low priority though ;)
15:24 <juliank> So it makes sense to fix as needed
15:25 <vorlon> 2033700 is basically that an autopkgtest trigger doesn't reliably take effect for an image build because of our NotAutomatic change to -proposed
15:25 <juliank> The apt preferences bug sounds wrong, livecd-rootfs *tests* should replicate the autopkgtest preferences, but not if you build images on your system?
15:25 <juliank> I mean if I want to build a mantic image on my mantic laptop it shouldn't be using my preferences
15:26 <vorlon> oh you've managed to build images locally, have you
15:26 <juliank> I think about 5 years ago I might but I certainly haven't tried since
15:26 <vorlon> driving the build infra locally and getting an actual image out the other end is so fraught that I would treat this as lower priority
15:27 <juliank> do the build hosts have potentially conflicting pinning?
15:27 <vorlon> you can't build an image in a chroot because snapd has to run; you can't build an image in a container unless you get all the magic security settings right; and if you build it on your host system, well, ok, live dangerously I guess
15:27 <juliank> but yes, I'll go ahead and tag it todo
15:28 <vorlon> the build env in launchpad or autopkgtest isn't going to have any unrelated pins
15:28 <juliank> bug 2017401
15:28 <juliank> need to move the tag to nn
15:28 <vorlon> yes
15:29 <juliank> done
15:29 <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
15:29 <juliank> empty!
15:29 <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
15:29 <juliank> bug 1990798 is incomplete and with pro team, skip
15:30 <juliank> (they are waiting for feedback)
15:30 <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
15:30 <juliank> just the livepatch one again
15:30 <juliank> maybe we should drop that tag too, vorlon? Add a task instead?
15:30 <vorlon> sounds reasonable to me
15:31 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report
15:31 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
15:31 <juliank> very few items, vorlon
15:32 <vorlon> tzdata uh this is assigned to mkukri ?  that didn't happen last week, did it? :)
15:32 <vorlon> anyway, welcome mkukri we're putting you straight to work
15:32 <liushuyu> I can take proposed-migrations if needed
15:33 <bdrung> ubiquity is still on my plate
15:33 <vorlon> right - reassigning the jira card to you
15:33 <juliank> vorlon: I gave it to him as it turned out one simple upload and he needed something sponsored :)
15:33 <vorlon> juliank: ack
15:34 <vorlon> s390-tools is blocked by MIR still. schopin this is still with you?
15:34 <bdrung> schopin is on vacation this week
15:34 <vorlon> liushuyu: I had tpm2-tss listed as assigned to you from last week; any progress?
15:34 <mkukri> That looks cooler than it is, it was a pretty easy thing Julian gave me. Either way, it was very useful for figuring out the tooling.
15:35 <vorlon> "that looks cooler than it is" omg he has us pegged already
15:35 <liushuyu> vorlon: it's still with me, I did not have time until now to put it on my list
15:35 <vorlon> ok
15:36 <vorlon> that's all for this week then
15:36 <vorlon> juliank:
15:36 <liushuyu> (and also lacking a s390x VM to test it)
15:36 <juliank> #topic AOB
15:36 <bdrung> "that looks cooler than it is" i could say about the temperature in my room as well
15:36 <juliank> any other business?
15:36 <ginggs> FTBFS party \o/
15:36 <juliank> it reads 24.9°C here
15:36 <juliank> ok 25°C now
15:36 <ginggs> https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230830-mantic-mantic.html#foundations-bugs-team
15:36 <juliank> partay!
15:37 <bdrung> 27°C inside, 29°C outside
15:37 <juliank> oh can I fix aptdaemon again, lol
15:37 <zhsj> golang-1.20 ftbfs -> gone
15:37 <adrien> heh, there's strace in the list \o/
15:37 <juliank> well I'm traveling next week and overly busy :(
15:38 <vorlon> I wonder if we need some way to annotate the ones that will fail because of signatures (fwupd-signed, grub2-signed, shim-signed)
15:38 <juliank> that would be useful yes
15:39 <vorlon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1613482 lol maybe we close this bug
15:39 <juliank> lol
15:39 <vorlon> clearly we make excellent use of the ftbfs tags
15:39 <ginggs> adrien volunteers for strace!
15:40 <bdrung> i'll take ubiquity (hit the stone with two birds)
15:40 <ginggs> pigeons?
15:40 <zhsj> i can take libevent
15:40 <ginggs> doko will take binutils
15:40 <waveform> I'll take u-boot (fairly sure that's already reported as LP: #2023536)
15:41 <waveform> doh, LP: #2034536
15:41 <vorlon> adrien: fwiw you posted to ubuntu-devel about a general principle of FFes for strace which is harder to answer, but didn't file an FFe bug for the current one - do you want a formal FFe approval for right now
15:41 <juliank> cd-boot-images I think we can just do after the next grub update (2.12~rc1-9ubuntu1)
15:41 <vorlon> it just needs build-deps bumped as usual
15:41 <juliank> yeah
15:42 <juliank> don't want to do it today and then tomorrow again basically ;)
15:42 <vorlon> or worse, do it today and forget to do it again tomorrow
15:42 <juliank> yeah
15:43 <juliank> I mean we could make the package have depends or turn on the policy for build depends to be satisfied in britney and then grub wouldn't migrate and I'd go like "huh I forgot something"
15:43 <vorlon> -100 for turning on the build-depends policy
15:44 <vorlon> I want reporting on this but not slowing down proposed-migration
15:44 <juliank> I do have a reporting but never moved it to canonical infra
15:44 <adrien> vorlon: I haven't prepared the 6.5 one yet but I was planning on asking for one if the general FFe wasn't granted quickly
15:44 <ginggs> juliank: bugs tagged FTBFS for fwupd-signed, grub2-signed, shim-signed will show up when the FTBFS reports are generated
15:44 <juliank> ginggs: we do not want them to be tested at all basically
15:45 <juliank> ginggs: we know they fail no point running them or showing us
15:45 <juliank> For any package copied from ~canonical-signing PPAs really
15:45 <juliank> Not sure that can be queried sensibly but you get the idea
15:46 <juliank> vorlon: We should setup my edos-distchecks reports on our infra properly so we can see unsat build-depends in release pockets (and Depends I guess, it happens with force demotions)
15:47 <juliank> maybe we have time in november
15:47 <juliank> it would be nice
15:47 * juliank also hasn't updated https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/ to run on anything newer than kinetic
15:47 <vorlon> yes, that would be a very good thing to get done before the next LTS
15:48 <vorlon> since statically checking unsat build-deps is something we can run constantly, unlike archive rebuilds
15:48 <juliank> yeah it takes like 2-3 minutes or so on an EPYC thread
15:48 <vorlon> juliank: can you put a card for that on the list of roadmap proposals?
15:48 <juliank> aye
15:49 <juliank> or is that something qa wants to run, bdmurray
15:49 <vorlon> raise a card now so we don't lose track, we can horse-trade later :)
15:50 <juliank> sure
15:56 <juliank> I think that wraps this side of the meeting up?
15:56 <juliank> #endmeeting