15:02 <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team 15:02 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:02:52 UTC. The chair is juliank. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 15:02 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 15:02 <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds 15:03 <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-31-aug-2023/ 15:03 <juliank> I realize I didn't actually write anything yet, /o\ 15:03 <mclemenceau_> o/ 15:05 <vorlon> 'mermaid' what a weird name for a daemon 15:05 <xypron> o/ 15:16 <juliank> o 15:16 <juliank> I got a bit distracted sorry 15:16 <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs 15:16 <juliank> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:16 <juliank> 5 bugs! 15:17 <juliank> bug 2033129 15:18 <juliank> hplip was dropped to universe as part of cups snap change 15:18 <juliank> I'm not sure what should be done here 15:19 <juliank> should we leave that with desktop? but they asked for help 15:19 <vorlon> this was originally a foundations MIR 15:19 <vorlon> I was going to ask slyon but I think he's not around at the moment 15:20 <vorlon> LP: #2028054 15:20 <juliank> I think we're not sure we need that package in main anymore? 15:21 <juliank> Should we mark it Incomplete and ask for more information? 15:21 <vorlon> the comment history in that bug is misleading and appears to be based on an analysis when the plan was to demote this in favor of the snap stack 15:21 <vorlon> we need someone to actually drive this MIR 15:21 <juliank> OK, I don't know what the current plan is wrt cups 15:21 <vorlon> there is no GUI for it - we are shipping the debs for mantic 15:22 <vorlon> that's why this is back in component-mismatches 15:22 <vorlon> I had to force-demote hplip because of the universe dep causing image build failures 15:22 <vorlon> this needs to be re-repromoted before beta, or users are going to get wrong installs at beta time because hplip is a recommends 15:22 <juliank> Why does it need an MIR process if it was in main and wrongly demoted? 15:23 <vorlon> (unsatisfied recommends of ubuntu-desktop on the image -> nothing will pull it in later when hplip is promoted to main) 15:23 <vorlon> juliank: *hplip* was in main. python-rlpycairo was a new dep of python-reportlab, this is why this MIR was opened 15:23 <juliank> oh 15:23 <vorlon> when hplip was demoted, python-reportlab was also demoted, so the new version snuck into the release pocket 15:23 <juliank> Now I understand 15:24 <vorlon> I can demote it to proposed, but there are a bunch of other packages that also depend on new python-reportlab so it's a fairly complicated surgery 15:24 <vorlon> or I can pre-promote the packages to main while the MIR is still open 15:24 <vorlon> but any which way, the MIR needs followed through on 15:25 <juliank> My preference would be to demote to python-reportlab depends to suggests and making sure the eroror handling is reasonable 15:25 <vorlon> it's not 15:25 <vorlon> I already talked to Till about this 15:25 <juliank> anyhow how to proceed? 15:26 <vorlon> (in private messages, so of course none of it is in the bug log) 15:26 <juliank> leave the bug 15:26 <juliank> sigh 15:26 <juliank> leave the bug as is? 15:26 <vorlon> yes, someone needs to drive the MIR :) 15:26 <vorlon> and it's a foundations-owned package 15:27 <vorlon> if I demote packages to -proposed, it's still an open MIR 15:27 <vorlon> if I pre-promote packages to main before the MIR is done, it's still an open MIR 15:27 <juliank> We are going a bit in circles here 15:27 <vorlon> so foundations needs to pick this MIR up and drive it to completion (even if "completion" means "find a way to drop the dep") 15:28 <vorlon> I don't see why it's a circle, we've identified work that needs to happen and we should just commit to doing it 15:28 <vorlon> and assign it, and not discuss it further in a plenary meeting :) 15:28 <juliank> So we should remove the tag, mark it invalid, and mark the mir as foundations-todo 15:29 <vorlon> sounds good 15:30 <juliank> bug 2030788 15:30 <juliank> enr0n is already assigned 15:30 <juliank> but it's still incoming, not todo 15:31 <enr0n> juliank: vorlon tagged it though, I think I had assigned it to myself to keep track of it 15:31 <juliank> is there anything to do right now? 15:31 <juliank> I think the bug is fixed in cloud-init? 15:31 <juliank> Certainly dropping the tag seems right 15:31 <waveform> correct, cloud-init is now fixed 15:31 <adrien> ah, that seems to explain my layout issues :P 15:32 <juliank> I don't think this is foundations-todo right now 15:33 <juliank> vorlon: do you have another opinion? 15:33 <vorlon> if cloud-init has succeeded in working around it, then I'm ok with us working around it; the need here was to support cloud-init 15:33 <juliank> CPC wants to talk further if they think they need more 15:33 <juliank> ok 15:33 <juliank> let's keep it open though in case 15:34 <juliank> because they want to to talk about it more and quoted "'fix'" :D 15:34 <vorlon> (I am looking askance at Debian for having mangled the systemd interface in this way, but that doesn't per se make it a priority for us) 15:34 <juliank> bug 2033112 15:34 <juliank> let's just tag that 15:35 <juliank> bug 2017401 - we had our meeting but didn't update the bug with the summary 15:36 <juliank> vorlon: do you have meeting notes or a better memory than me and can update the bug with the outcomes? 15:36 <vorlon> right - conclusion was that we're deferring this for now in favor of improved information from canonical-livepatch in the nn cycle 15:36 <vorlon> I'll update the bug 15:36 <juliank> and then tag it incoming-nn I guess 15:36 <juliank> bug 2029148 15:37 <juliank> the cups snap is still in main though, this is still fix released 15:37 <juliank> and we have enough bugs to track the MIR 15:37 <juliank> let's mark it back as Fix Released 15:38 <vorlon> what do you mean, the snap is in main :) 15:38 <juliank> The cups deb 15:38 <vorlon> ok 15:39 <juliank> https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs is empty 15:39 <juliank> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs 15:39 <juliank> bug 1990798 15:40 <juliank> pro team is engaging with that and it's incomplete right now, so let's give a bit more time I guess 15:41 <juliank> https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs only has the same livepatch issue we discussed already 15:41 <juliank> #topic Team proposed-migration report 15:41 <juliank> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs 15:41 <juliank> vorlon: 15:41 <juliank> Can we remove the time-daemon package again? 15:41 <vorlon> yes 15:42 <vorlon> has the germinate change landed? :) 15:42 <juliank> Not yet, cjwatson hasn't gotten around to reviewing it yet 15:42 <juliank> But we also don't need to wait for the server side as the syntax is ignored by older germinate 15:42 <juliank> We could just update the deb 15:43 <juliank> Either way, the package being present is confusing people as I've seen earlier today 15:43 <vorlon> juliank: last week you had forgotten to start working on tzdata, is it on your radar now? 15:43 <juliank> sadly not 15:43 <bdrung> I'll take care of dask 15:43 <juliank> It eluded the pulse 15:44 <cjwatson> I'm reviewing the germinate change at the moment, amid the other N things 15:44 <bdrung> then only gnustep-base remains blocking tzdata 15:44 <cjwatson> vorlon: you currently have a Needs Fixing vote on that germinate MP - could you look at it again? 15:44 <vorlon> juliank: so will you put it in the pulse? these are supposed to be committed on a weekly basis 15:44 <juliank> when I find it 15:45 <vorlon> cjwatson: I was just asking for a test case, which I'm not going to second-guess - marked approved now 15:45 <juliank> I think the problem is its not in the pulse view because it's not triaged 15:45 <juliank> Hmm it is triaged, but it simply doesn't pop up in JIRA backlog view 15:45 <vorlon> ubiquity - I said this was back with mwhudson but he's quite busy with work on newer installers 15:45 <vorlon> bdrung: any chance you want to follow up on ubiquity? 15:46 <cjwatson> vorlon: yeah, that's fine, I just didn't want to merge it over your head 15:46 <bdrung> vorlon, it's on my todo list for next week (spending all the time this week for +1) 15:46 <vorlon> bdrung: ok thanks 15:47 <vorlon> s390-tools is blocked on an MIR which is tagged foundations-todo but not assigned; LP: #2030482. Do we need to find an owner for this? 15:47 <schopin> s390-tools is blocked by an MIR. 15:47 <schopin> vorlon: I'm the owner :) 15:47 <vorlon> schopin: should I assign the bug to you? 15:47 <schopin> I'm just waiting on some details from fheimes. 15:47 <schopin> Sure. 15:48 <vorlon> and new from last week is tpm2-tss 15:48 * vorlon shakes the dice bag 15:48 <vorlon> liushuyu: can you take this? 15:48 <liushuyu> vorlon: okay 15:49 <vorlon> and that's all for now 15:49 <cjwatson> juliank: germinate change merged and uploaded to unstable. feel free to sync it into mantic once Debian publishing and the LP import catch up. I also updated ubuntu-archive@ubuntu-archive-toolbox.internal's local copy of it for good measure. 15:49 <juliank> cjwatson: thanks! 15:51 <vorlon> juliank: back to you 15:52 <juliank> #topic AOB 15:52 <schopin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2029479 was tagged by fheimes but since it's on subiquity it never made it into the report. 15:54 <dbungert> this one is strange, there is a claim that the chirep tool is not being used correctly but it hasn't changed. at any rate we need to investigate this subiquity side, yes. 15:54 <juliank> tagging it foundations-todo 15:54 <dbungert> thanks 15:54 <juliank> with a typo lol 15:56 <juliank> more aob? 15:56 <mclemenceau_> Monday is public holiday in the US 15:57 <vorlon> I'm out for the Monday holiday, and then again Wed/Thu next week for a medical thing, so not here for the next meeting 15:57 <juliank> :( 15:58 <schopin> I'm out on a short 1-week vacation starting tonight :) 15:59 <juliank> I think that wraps up the IRC meeting! Thanks everyone! 15:59 <juliank> #endmeeting