15:05 <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters Team 15:05 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:05:18 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 15:05 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 15:05 <ddstreet> so mapreri I haven't got to any of my action items...i suggest we skip me listing them all if that's ok with you? 15:06 <mapreri> let me read them through in the agenda 15:06 <ddstreet> yep and for reference if anyone is following 15:06 <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Agenda 15:07 <mapreri> right so, I haven't also done my actions either 15:07 <ddstreet> let's just leave the list as is then and move to ML threads and bugs 15:07 <mapreri> ack 15:07 <ddstreet> #action open ml threads 15:07 * meetingology open ml threads 15:08 <ddstreet> #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:08 <ddstreet> no action on this one...i'll send a follow up to try to continue it 15:08 <mapreri> k 15:08 <ddstreet> ah dang i used #action instead of #topic above...i need more coffee 15:08 <ddstreet> anyway 15:08 <mapreri> you can #undo twice if you so like ^^ 15:09 <ddstreet> #undo 15:09 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: SUBTOPIC 15:09 <ddstreet> #undo 15:09 <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION 15:09 <ddstreet> ah nice! 15:09 <ddstreet> didn't know it stacked 15:09 <ddstreet> thanks! 15:09 <mapreri> ^^ 15:09 <ddstreet> #topic open ml threads 15:09 <ddstreet> #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:09 <ddstreet> #action ddstreet send follow up email for clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:09 * meetingology ddstreet send follow up email for clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:10 <ddstreet> #subtopic New proposal for Ubuntu Backporters Team Charter 15:10 <ddstreet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-May/023070.html 15:10 <ddstreet> well looks like we took too long, and the approved it, so nothing for us to do there i suppose... 15:10 <ddstreet> we could follow up with 'thanks!' i guess 15:11 <mapreri> not quite 15:11 <mapreri> they said they will approve it next week, so if we have something big to oppose... but do we, in the end? 15:12 <ddstreet> i guess it looks fine to me 15:12 <ddstreet> you have any objections? 15:12 <mapreri> I don't, either. I'm for giving them the go ahead 15:12 <ddstreet> sounds good - you want to reply or should i? 15:12 <mapreri> I will :) 15:12 <ddstreet> thanks! 15:13 <ddstreet> #action mapreri reply to TB charter email thread 15:13 * meetingology mapreri reply to TB charter email thread 15:13 <ddstreet> #subtopic self-approval of uploads to -backports pocket 15:13 <ddstreet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2023-May/023075.html 15:13 <ddstreet> i think teward is handling this one 15:13 <mapreri> yes 15:14 <ddstreet> that's all the ml threads i see 15:14 <ddstreet> #topic open bugs 15:14 <ddstreet> #subtopic nfs-utils/1:2.6.1-2ubuntu4 from kinetic 15:14 <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/2012676 15:14 <mapreri> so, I had an action about following up, but I clearly failed and I actually forgot what we decided on 2 months ago? :( 15:15 <mapreri> I fixed the bug matadata, however. meta is important. 15:15 <ddstreet> lemme check the old mtg minutes... 15:15 * mapreri too 15:15 <teward> i'm late sorry 15:16 <teward> ddstreet: i need to address this sooner than later. did you get any reply to the last inquiry? 15:16 <teward> on the self approval of uploads thing 15:16 <ddstreet> nope i did not get any reply 15:16 <ddstreet> well lemme just recheck my inbox to be sure 15:16 <mapreri> ddstreet: seems: 1) asking who would provide the update 2) involve the server team 3) having the mentioned bug handled via SRU 15:17 <ddstreet> nope definitely no reply in my inbix 15:17 <teward> mapreri: assuming theres no reply are you OK with me going to the TB and asking the TB to reach out and remind martin about the new process and that it needs to be adhered to? 15:17 <mapreri> I'd add 4) have a better test defined 15:17 <teward> ah there is no relly som 15:17 <teward> reply* so* ffs i cant type 15:18 <mapreri> teward: I'm fine, as long as you frame it like "asking the TB to reach out to Martin and check with him whether he received our mails about the new process, and to please contact us about his bpo uploads" 15:19 <mapreri> teward: i.e., lose the final "it needs to be adhered to", for a first TB contact they shouldn't be saying that so straightforwardly 15:19 <mapreri> :3 15:19 <ddstreet> mapreri re: nfs-utils, sounds good, and you already have an action item for it 15:19 * mapreri can be a PITA, I have been bit by too strong wording way too many times 15:20 <teward> mapreri: how i word things for email / official requests is less heavy handed than my statements here in cha lt :) 15:20 <ddstreet> teward we skipped over previous action items earlier, were there any of yours (other than the TB/self-approval one) you made progress on and wanted to review? 15:21 <teward> no its been a chaotic month 15:21 <ddstreet> yeah for me as well 15:21 <ddstreet> ok that's all the bugs i see the team subscribed to 15:21 <ddstreet> #topic AOB 15:21 <ddstreet> any other business to discuss? 15:22 <mapreri> another nfs thing: 15:22 <mapreri> shouldn't it come from jammy, not from kinetic? 15:22 <mapreri> doing kinetic → focal will break update paths 15:22 * mapreri goes to re-read the policy he himself wrote u.u 15:23 <ddstreet> i think we do allow non-LTS backport to LTS, but if they are doing kinetic->focal it must also go into jammy 15:23 <mapreri> right 15:23 <mapreri> I'll mention that too 15:23 <teward> ddstreet: we do allow origin:nonLTS 15:23 <teward> but destination:nonLTS is a no-no. and yes we need to also get the backport into jammy in that case 15:24 <mapreri> but we did write " For backported packages, the policy is that users must be able to upgrade from LTS to LTS", so in case of origin:kinetic it *also* needs an extra dest:jammy 15:24 <teward> yep 15:24 <mapreri> or just start from jammy, the kinetic update doesn't look interesting to me 15:25 <teward> mapreri: could ask for clarification as to why source:kinetic is required and whether source:jammy works 15:25 <mapreri> aye, doing 15:25 <ddstreet> and also the backport to bionic has a really short window before the bionic repo closes, i think it's end of june right? 15:26 <ddstreet> or maybe july 15:26 <ddstreet> ok moving on, any other business? if not, let's sched the next meeting 15:26 <mapreri> yeah well... they won't make it, but whatever at this point… 15:26 <mapreri> no aob from me :) 15:27 <ddstreet> 4 weeks would put us at july 5 15:27 <teward> no other business here 15:27 <ddstreet> that's very close to USA holiday (july 4), should we bump it to following week (july 12)? 15:28 <mapreri> jul 5 is good to me, but indeed 12 would work slightly better as well 15:28 <teward> either works for me 15:28 <ddstreet> jul 12 would be better for me too 15:28 <ddstreet> ok let's do jul 12, at same time 15:28 <teward> 12th it is then 15:28 <mapreri> yay 15:29 <ddstreet> final business from me is to say i'm going to try to get *some* of my action items done before next meeting :) 15:29 <ddstreet> let's all try to get to at least one ;-) 15:29 <ddstreet> ok any final item before we wrap? 15:30 <mapreri> I'm doing the mails right at this moment 15:30 <ddstreet> awesome!!! 15:30 <ddstreet> thanks 15:30 <mapreri> that should make sure to have them done :3 15:30 <ddstreet> see you covered your action already! xD 15:30 <ddstreet> ok let's wrap then 15:30 <ddstreet> #endmeeting