15:01 <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters 15:01 <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:01:26 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology 15:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick 15:01 <ddstreet> #topic previous action items 15:01 <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) 15:01 <luna__> Hey backporters 15:01 <ddstreet> #action ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) 15:01 * meetingology ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over) 15:01 <ddstreet> hi luna__ 15:02 <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) 15:02 <ddstreet> #action ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) 15:02 * meetingology ddstreet get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over) 15:02 <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) 15:02 <ddstreet> #action ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) 15:02 * meetingology ddstreet look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over) 15:02 <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet send ML reply to continue thread re: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:02 <ddstreet> this one, i actually did 15:02 <mapreri> saw the mail, ty 15:03 <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet finish updating charter/policies, send email to ML to request team review 15:03 <ddstreet> and i did this one as well, and sent an email 15:03 <ddstreet> those both probably should get discussed on the ML, unless either of you want to discuss them now 15:03 <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet sched next meeting for aug 31 15:00 UTC 15:03 <ddstreet> i did this one, of course :) 15:04 <luna__> done 15:04 <ddstreet> #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) 15:04 <mapreri> cheer for ddstreet actually doing his tasks! 15:04 <ddstreet> i assume carry all yours mapreri? 15:04 <mapreri> boos for mapreri not doing :( 15:04 <ddstreet> lol, i only did the 2 easiest tasks :) 15:04 <mapreri> pls yap 15:04 <ddstreet> #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) 15:04 * meetingology mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress) 15:04 <ddstreet> #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) 15:04 <ubottu> Debian bug 1001399 in lintian "lintian: adjust backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number for ubuntu" [Normal, Open] 15:05 <ddstreet> #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) 15:05 * meetingology mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over) 15:05 <ddstreet> #subtopic mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor 15:05 <ddstreet> #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) 15:05 * meetingology mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor (carried over) 15:05 <ddstreet> #subtopic mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process 15:05 <ddstreet> #action mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) 15:05 * meetingology mapreri start thread on ML about how to use bug status to define meaing in process (carried over) 15:05 <ddstreet> ok that's all previous items 15:06 <ddstreet> moving on :) 15:06 <ddstreet> #topic open mailing list items 15:06 <ddstreet> #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:06 <ddstreet> as mentioned before, we should probably keep this on the ML 15:06 <mapreri> still in inbox, yes. 15:06 <ddstreet> but please let's all remember to reply before next mtg :) 15:06 <ddstreet> #action clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:06 * meetingology clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions 15:07 <ddstreet> #subtopic charter/policies 15:07 <luna__> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-February/022680.html 15:07 <ddstreet> thanks luna__! 15:07 <luna__> a bit to slow with the copy and paste tough 15:07 <ddstreet> this will need review from you both, so no need to discuss now, but hopefull we can finalize it on the ML and/or by next mtg 15:08 <ddstreet> ok that's all the ml threads, unless i'm missing something 15:08 <luna__> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2022-August/022925.html 15:08 <ddstreet> ah thanks again :) 15:09 <ddstreet> #topic open bugs needing discussion 15:09 <mapreri> haven't even looked at what's open now :( 15:09 <ddstreet> i reviewed the dh-python bug, and there were some issues there 15:09 <ddstreet> unit193 said it should just be dropped, so i believe teward[m] marked it wontfix 15:10 <luna__> i can't see it as open 15:10 <ddstreet> i dont know of anyone here thinks it might be worth looking into backporting it 15:10 <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-python/+bug/1983414 15:10 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1983414 in dh-python (Ubuntu) "[BPO] dh-python 5.20220403 to focal" [Undecided, Fix Released] 15:11 <luna__> yep teward teward[m] has indeed closed it as not fixing 15:11 <teward[m]> ddstreet: correct i did a won'tfix on one of the bugs because Unit mentioned in the message it should be dropped given $REASONS 15:11 <ddstreet> the main issue, at least from my relatively quick review, was the py2 dh_python2 script, which did a pkg move, so that would need to be properly handled in the backport 15:11 <mapreri> holed on 15:11 <mapreri> the main reason behind that bpo was to have the pyproject support, right? 15:11 <mapreri> IIRC 15:11 <ddstreet> yep that's my understanding 15:12 <ddstreet> and that would require a few other backports for deps 15:12 <teward[m]> "This is needed to refresh the yt-dlp package as it has support for 'environment markers'" 15:12 <mapreri> I understand that such reason still stands, so I think I'd want to look at it as imho it makes sense to have 15:12 <teward[m]> pybuild-plugin-pyproject <-- not tested 15:12 <mapreri> ddstreet: what's "a few"? 15:12 <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-python/+bug/1983414/comments/1 15:12 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1983414 in dh-python (Ubuntu) "[BPO] dh-python 5.20220403 to focal" [Undecided, Fix Released] 15:12 <ddstreet> i listed the deps in my comment 15:13 <ddstreet> specifically, python3-{build,installer,tomli} packages 15:13 <ddstreet> which aren't available in focal. 15:13 <mapreri> doesn't sound like a goal-blocker to me, just bpo those all? 15:13 <ddstreet> yeah i think it's quite doable 15:13 <mapreri> also I'm not sure there is a problem with the python2 thing? 15:14 <ddstreet> but just would need someone to do the dep backports, and properly adjust the backported dh-python package 15:14 <mapreri> I don't see having the bpo package be uninstallable with something in the main suite as a problem? 15:14 <ddstreet> you mean the conflicts with python2? 15:14 <mapreri> yep 15:14 <ddstreet> i mean i'd certainly prefer to address that, no? 15:15 <mapreri> or, indeed, if that's only for dh_python2 is trivially solvable sure, but anyway, even if unsolved I don't think it's a blocker to me? 15:15 <ddstreet> but then users of the backported dh-python would not be able to run any py2 script 15:15 <mapreri> it's certainly preferable yes 15:15 <mapreri> I'm mostly trying to understand how you feel about that particular point 15:16 <ddstreet> personally, i think it should be fixed 15:16 <ddstreet> i mean, if dh-python was actually *providing* python2, then that might be ok, but it's conflicting (which will force removal) of python2 only due to a single dh_python2 script 15:17 <ddstreet> i think the right approach is to remove the dh_python2 from the backport, and remove the Conflicts: python2 15:17 <mapreri> if it's only for that single script, it's probably best to drop it from dh-python yes 15:17 <mapreri> it's B+R, not conflicting iiuc 15:17 <mapreri> anyway, I got your point 15:17 <ddstreet> that's certainly my preference, but it will depend on the details once someone gets into doing it 15:17 <ddstreet> right B+R sorry 15:18 <mapreri> I doubt I'd be able to pick up, but since it's something that might make sense to have, if unit193 wants to pick it up again at least I know your position :) 15:18 <mapreri> (as I will tell him that I'm all for it and not give up just after one review!) 15:18 <ddstreet> so should we reopen the bug, and/or add an action item for us to look at it? 15:19 <ddstreet> yeah my review didn't mean to shut his work down 15:19 <mapreri> I think it's fine as it is, I'll more informally poke him 15:19 <ddstreet> ok hopefully we won't forget about it :) 15:20 <ddstreet> i guess if he wants to backport yt-dlp anymore, he'll need to either fix that backport, or work on dh-python backport :) 15:20 * mapreri just did 15:20 <mapreri> IRC++ 15:20 <ddstreet> also fyi, i did approve one of his yt-dlp backports, which failed due to dh-python dep missing 15:20 <mapreri> so it's bd-uninst atm? 15:21 <ddstreet> #link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yt-dlp/2022.08.19-1~bpo20.04.1 15:21 <mapreri> doesn't look failed to me? 15:21 <mapreri> sorry, wrong page 15:21 <mapreri> meh 15:22 <mapreri> feel free to action me to poke him some more on this 15:22 <mapreri> I think this is the first time. how harsh should we be about unbuilt packages? 15:22 <ddstreet> #action mapreri poke unit193 about yt-dlp dep on dh-python 15:22 * meetingology mapreri poke unit193 about yt-dlp dep on dh-python 15:23 <ddstreet> well, he did upload both yt-dlp *and* dh-python, so if i'd accepted dh-python, then the yt-dlp upload would have built 15:23 <ddstreet> so it's partially my fault for not realizing that before i accepted the yt-dlp upload 15:23 <luna__> accept and rebuild? 15:23 <ddstreet> buuuuut it certainly would have been better for him to not upload yt-dlp until dh-python was accepted 15:23 <mapreri> I kind of believe this should go in that page describing when an upload is acceptable without a tracking bug report 15:24 <ddstreet> luna__ yeah, if we do finally accept the dh-python backport, we can just do a rebuild of the yt-dlp 15:24 <mapreri> if it requires special attention and the uploader knows of it, I reckon a bug is warrented. 15:24 <luna__> ddstreet: sounds good 15:24 <mapreri> (in fact, no rebuild is needed, lp would pick it up by itself since it's in bd-uninst) 15:24 <ddstreet> mapreri yep i agree, the previous yt-dlp uploads have been bugless which i think was fine, but yeah once there's any complexity like this, we do need a bug 15:24 <mapreri> (i think at least) 15:24 <luna__> ah 15:25 <ddstreet> ah didn't know it would automatically rebuild 15:25 <mapreri> it's not a *re*build after all 15:25 <ddstreet> right :) 15:25 <ddstreet> didn't build at all yet :) 15:25 <luna__> true 15:25 <ddstreet> ok, anything else for that bug? 15:26 <mapreri> none from me 15:26 <luna__> not from me 15:26 <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elfutils/+bug/1987356 15:26 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1987356 in elfutils (Ubuntu) "[BPO] elfutils/0.187-1 from Kinetic" [Undecided, Fix Committed] 15:26 <ddstreet> i think this one is done and published, does it just need to move to fix-released? 15:27 <ddstreet> i'll go ahead and mark it as such, since it does seem released 15:27 <luna__> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-backports/elfutils ? 15:27 <mapreri> seems like you just did lol 15:28 <luna__> seems to be in the repos 15:28 <ddstreet> and there are 2 more bugs, but both appear to need a sponsor 15:28 <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/ipmctl/+bug/1968076 15:28 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1968076 in ipmctl (Ubuntu Focal) "[BPO] ipmctl with support for CPS hardware" [Undecided, New] 15:28 <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+source/limnoria/+bug/1983415 15:28 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1983415 in limnoria (Ubuntu Jammy) "[BPO] limnoria 2022.6.23-1 to jammy" [Undecided, New] 15:29 <mapreri> tbh, I would rather not look at anything more right now, as I have another meeting coming up on the hour and I'd like to prepare for it :3 15:29 <ddstreet> ack, i think we can leave the unsponsored ones alone 15:29 <ddstreet> ok that's all open bugs 15:30 <ddstreet> #topic AOB 15:30 <ddstreet> anything else from anyone? 15:30 <ddstreet> luna__ you have any topics? 15:30 <luna__> nope 15:30 <ddstreet> ok final subtopic then, next meeting 15:30 <ddstreet> #subtopic next mtg date 15:30 <ddstreet> 1 month from now? 15:31 <mapreri> mh 15:31 <ddstreet> sep 28? 15:31 <luna__> works for me 15:31 <mapreri> 28 is looking crowded for me, what about oct 5 instead? 15:31 <ddstreet> oct 5 works for me 15:31 <luna__> have another meeting 5th Oct, but i don't do much backports work just curious so its okay to go without me 15:31 <mapreri> (I also have a bit of travel the week before, that's why I'm not suggesting sep 21) 15:32 <mapreri> mind you, I *can* do sep 28th, it's just that my agenda will look messy :3 15:32 <mapreri> teward[m]: ? 15:32 <teward[m]> no issue of oct 5, sept. 28 is a no go 15:33 <ddstreet> let's do oct 5 then 15:33 <ddstreet> same time, 15:00 UTC 15:33 <mapreri> that makes it easy i guess 15:33 <mapreri> sure 15:33 <ddstreet> luna__ if you have interest in joining backporters team, feel free to let us know in a mtg or ML :-) 15:34 <ddstreet> #action ddstreet schedule next mtg Oct 5 15:00 UTC 15:34 * meetingology ddstreet schedule next mtg Oct 5 15:00 UTC 15:34 <luna__> will think about it and do if so 15:34 <ddstreet> ok i think that's all the topics, last chance for anything else? 15:34 <ddstreet> #endmeeting