19:23 <cyphermox> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board 19:23 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 25 19:23:28 2019 UTC. The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:23 <meetingology> 19:23 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:23 <cyphermox> #topic ~lubuntu-dev delegated team 19:23 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: you want to summarize for the logs? 19:24 <cyphermox> then I'll start the vote 19:24 <cyphermox> slashd: around? 19:24 <tsimonq2> Sure. 19:24 <cyphermox> rbasak isn't 19:24 <slashd> cyphermox, yep 19:24 <jbicha> oh, we're voting after all? 19:24 <cyphermox> well since you all seem to need it :P 19:25 <jbicha> I wasn't going to call us for us to have a vote on whether to have a vote 😉 19:25 <tsimonq2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2019-February/001319.html - tl;dr Lubuntu is asking for ~lubuntu-dev to be granted upload permissions to the `lubuntu` packageset. 19:25 <tsimonq2> :D 19:25 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: sounds like a great summary :) 19:25 <cyphermox> #vote ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team) 19:25 <meetingology> Please vote on: ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team) 19:25 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:26 <tsimonq2> +1 19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from tsimonq2 19:26 <cyphermox> +1 19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox 19:26 <jbicha> +1 19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from jbicha 19:26 <slashd> +1 19:26 <meetingology> +1 received from slashd 19:27 <cyphermox> no sil2100 either 19:27 <cyphermox> and no micahg. 19:27 <cyphermox> #endvote 19:27 <meetingology> Voting ended on: ~lubuntu-dev to be granted delegated control over lubuntu packageset (new delegated team) 19:27 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:27 <meetingology> Motion carried 19:28 <cyphermox> that was quorate anyway 19:28 <cyphermox> now; one issue is that I'm not sure if we're supposed to decide if we can delegate directly, or if it needs to be approved or something 19:29 <cyphermox> but I suppose, tsimonq2, if you're going to be the person bringing it up to the TB, it can be part of the discussion if there's any needed 19:29 <cyphermox> I'll definitely be at the next TB meeting anyway 19:29 <tsimonq2> The original proposal I outlined was to create a new team, ~lubuntu-dev-owner, which has the DMB and ~lubuntu-council, and allow that team to approve/deny members. 19:30 <cyphermox> yup 19:30 <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Is that something we decide or the TB does? 19:30 <cyphermox> like kubuntu, basically 19:30 <tsimonq2> Right. 19:30 <cyphermox> well, TB ultimately is responsible for granting access rights to developers, they delegate that to us 19:31 <cyphermox> but it sounds exactly like what Kubuntu does, and seems like it's perfectly fine for lubuntu to do that as well 19:31 <cyphermox> so you probably just need to finish sorting out the ownership of the teams and you'll be all set 19:31 <tsimonq2> Cool. 19:32 <tsimonq2> Do we have a wiki page somewhere for formally requesting that the TB edit ACLs? 19:32 <tsimonq2> (Or just generally some documentation I can follow.) 19:33 <tsimonq2> "The name 'lubuntu-dev-owner' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators. Contact Launchpad Support if you want to use this name." - heh, ok, so it'll have to be with one big ticket. 19:33 <tsimonq2> (To answer my own question: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_applications ) 19:33 <cyphermox> oh, looky 19:34 <cyphermox> that actually also covers delegation 19:34 <cyphermox> we should be looking at a policy for how the applications will be managed 19:36 <tsimonq2> [ACTION] tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change 19:36 * meetingology tsimonq2 to file RT transferring ownership of ~lubuntu-dev, deactivate ~lubuntu-council, ask TB to do ACL change 19:37 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: we should really go over such a "policy" on the applications for lubuntu, but we can do that at a later meeting I guess? 19:37 <cyphermox> that way you could write down something in the wiki like the one for the DesktopTeam; what you expect to see for an applicant, etc. 19:38 <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/ 19:38 <tsimonq2> I wrote that when I sent the email to devel-permissions. 19:39 <tsimonq2> It's a more complete page which I'd like to generalize for Ubuntu Developers that shows everything I would expect a Lubuntu Developer to know, plus the application process. 19:40 <cyphermox> nice 19:40 <tsimonq2> So where I'm still curious is whether that's a process that the TB or the DMB approves. 19:42 <cyphermox> the knowledgebase page says it's us 19:42 <tsimonq2> Alright, so the vote earlier was to grant the team the packageset permissions, I guess we need a separate vote for the process? 19:42 <cyphermox> slashd: jbicha: any issues with the aforementioned document? 19:43 <cyphermox> or do you want to vote on it? 19:43 <jbicha> I don't think we need a second vote 19:44 <tsimonq2> For the record: ~lubuntu-dev changed to self-renewal, 720 day expiry period, ~ubuntu-core-dev was already a member, added ~lubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-dev. 19:45 <cyphermox> ack 19:45 <tsimonq2> Oh, and ~lubuntu-council deactivated prior to doing all of that. 19:47 <tsimonq2> Something else I noticed when adding ~lubuntu-dev to ~ubuntu-dev; ~ubuntu-sru-developers is the only team with an expiry date. Should that be changed to "expire never"? 19:47 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: you mean in ~ubuntu-dev? 19:47 <tsimonq2> Yes. 19:47 <cyphermox> possibly 19:48 <cyphermox> #topic AOB? 19:48 <cyphermox> oh 19:48 <cyphermox> ok, I already did end the voting 19:48 <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+member/ubuntu-sru-developers vs https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+member/kubuntu-dev 19:48 <cyphermox> anything else? 19:48 <cyphermox> tsimonq2: I agree. 19:49 <tsimonq2> I'll make that change then. 19:49 <tsimonq2> Nothing else from me. 19:49 <cyphermox> slashd: jbicha 19:49 <slashd> cyphermox, nothing else on my side 19:50 <jbicha> nothing from me :) 19:50 <cyphermox> ok 19:50 <cyphermox> #endmeeting