17:00 #startmeeting openstack-charms-meeting 17:00 Meeting started Wed Jul 6 17:00:48 2016 UTC. The chair is tinwood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:00 17:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:00 welcome all! 17:01 thanks 17:01 The first topic is: 17:01 #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting 17:01 Looking at the last minutes, gnuoy, it's about moving this meeting!? 17:01 sure, I've done a subtopic for each action in the past 17:02 but I'm guessing you're looking at me for moving this meeting... 17:02 Not sure I follow. 17:02 #subtopic gnuoy to move this meeting 17:02 ^ that sort of thing 17:02 anyway 17:02 I have a gerrit request up for scheduling the meeting 17:03 but we can't have this slot 17:03 (Still new at this) I guess I have to do that? 17:03 we can have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18635394/ 17:03 And those map to times, I'm guessing. 17:04 tinwood, good point they are all 17:00 UTC 17:04 so, I propose openstack-meeting-4 biweekly-even 17:04 on a Monday 17:05 works for me 17:05 biweekly means we can have another meeting if we need for apac 17:05 We'd have to move our charms catchup? 17:05 1 week in USA friendly time, one week in apac friendly 17:05 Or is that earlier? (UTC vs BST). 17:06 not everyone would attend both 17:06 tinwood: that is one hour earlier 17:06 Sounds okay then. 17:06 this meeting is 17:00 UTC 17:06 Yes, I like those slots 17:06 that time sounds good to me 17:06 ok, I will book that first slot, thanks 17:06 Okay, sounds like an action - is that okay for you to do gnuoy as you're running with it. 17:07 yep 17:07 #action gnuoy to try to book first slot from http://paste.ubuntu.com/18635394/ 17:07 * meetingology gnuoy to try to book first slot from http://paste.ubuntu.com/18635394/ 17:07 thanks gnuoy 17:07 #topic State of Development for next Charm Release 17:08 Any comments on this topic, please? 17:08 Keystone v3 support in the dashboard has landed 17:08 \o/ 17:08 Apparmor for nova-compute is close. I am fighting an amulet race condition at the moment. 17:09 A few caveats though. The dashboard now has to have a db relation if you want to use keystone v3 17:09 Designate and designate bind should land this week. 17:09 barbican is very close, but has a bug upstream :( 17:09 I have a number of deploy from source reviews ready for review, which should cover the bulk of getting DFS into shape. the corresponding c-h changes have landed for the current reviews. 17:10 \o/ 17:10 coreycb, hopefully you should get your charmhelper syncs for free 17:10 with jamespages ch sync for licensing changes 17:10 So it looks like it's all heading in the right direction. 17:11 one more thing 17:11 Any more before we move on? 17:11 all interfaces and layers are in Git/Gerrit now 17:11 ^ Repoint reviews if you need to! 17:11 gnuoy, very nice 17:11 jamespages work but am happy to take the credit 17:12 :) 17:12 Oh, at the feature freeze day is next week. 17:12 yea! good point 17:12 coreycb++ 17:13 Thursday next week to be precise 17:13 So anything that has to make the release needs to be done by next Thursday. 17:13 tinwood, feature-wise, at least 17:13 yes 17:14 next: 17:14 #topic Release Bugs 17:14 gnuoy, would you have your link handy? 17:15 I'm guessing: #link https://goo.gl/HJjORI 17:15 yep 17:15 Yes, there are 32 bugs on the list. 17:16 ...and we still seem to making little progress 17:16 that seems to be like 32 too many 17:16 Do they need to be shifted by 16.07? 17:17 bearing in mind some of them are quite 'old'. 17:17 I'm not sure, I think James does something about retargeting bus 17:17 * bugs 17:17 so long as our run rate on bugs is stable, I think we're ok - we need to focus on high priority bugs first 17:17 (of coursE) 17:18 I would encourage you all to take some time over the next week and spend an hour on the bug queue 17:18 please :-) 17:18 I'll be focussing on reviews, landing and bugs in the next 8 days in the runup to final freeze 17:18 okay, that sounds like a good plan. 17:19 #topic Openstack Events 17:19 I noticed an email that said there was a week to go for submitting talk abstracts for ODS? Did I read that right? 17:20 tinwood, I think your looking at an out of data agends 17:20 * agenda 17:20 I have next agenda item as "Openstack talk submissions for ODS 17:20 " 17:20 ... 17:20 indeed. sorry. 17:20 np, they were adds 17:21 #topic Openstack talk submissions for ODS 17:21 So, hands up if you've submitted one! 17:21 * gnuoy keeps his hand down 17:21 * tinwood knows nothing :( 17:21 I plan to submit one, not sure what yet though 17:21 aparently ONE talk has been submitted so far. 17:22 according to the email I saw. 17:22 gnuoy: we talked about a Openstack charms development talk we could co-author 17:22 yes, agreed 17:23 I'd love to collaborate as I enjoy talking. 17:23 but not if you've already got a partner! 17:23 sounds good we can discuss offline 17:23 and lets talk to markbaker about getting a charm school workshop as well 17:24 some general guidance - talk about things openstack-ish that are really interesting to the general community 17:24 we're (almost) and openstack project, so this is a great change to let the world know about us! 17:24 deploying openstack talks +1000 17:25 beisner, testing stuff good as well - maybe some s390-ish? 17:25 Anything else on ODS? 17:25 Any actions? 17:26 wrt to charm school, I need to sync with the sales team to field the attendance... 17:26 #action cargonza to sync with sales team re charm school at ODS Barcelona 17:26 * meetingology cargonza to sync with sales team re charm school at ODS Barcelona 17:26 I'll coordinate logistics with the admins (ie. rooms, av, etc.) 17:26 awesome 17:27 excellent. 17:27 Okay, next topic looks a bit strange. 17:27 #topic What does the chair of this meeting do after the meeting? 17:27 ok, this one is mine 17:28 The chair of this meeting doesn't always seem to be following the actions outlined in the wiki 17:28 drinks a beer and goes to bed? 17:28 * tinwood lol 17:28 So, can we review the process and amend accordingly 17:29 My first time so .. 17:29 tinwood, I think thats an action for jamespage and I 17:29 agreed - 17:29 once we move under #openstack for meetings we get automated minutes; but I'd like for us to announce the meeting prior to it happening 17:30 and summarize on the openstack-dev ML afterwards 17:30 #action gnuoy & jamespage to review the chair's post meeting process and amend as required. 17:30 * meetingology gnuoy & jamespage to review the chair's post meeting process and amend as required. 17:30 which is not as documented on the ubuntu wiki, but that's where we came from , not where we want to be 17:30 lets get that sorted out between now and next week 17:31 tinwood, sorry, I meant previous chairs not you 17:31 what I really meant was: 17:31 okay, that sounds good. I'm hoping one of you is a chair for the first openstack-meetings meeting. 17:31 We have a process documented and I don;t think its clear to everyone so lets review that 17:32 Right, so there's an action for that. okay to move on? 17:32 sounds good to me 17:32 #topic workload status messages, max 20 chars and proper case? 17:32 ok, so, thats me as weel 17:32 * well 17:32 I think I'm guilty here. 17:33 * thedac hides 17:33 There was a suggestion that we are consistent accross all charms and use proper caps and limit them to 20 chars 17:33 When you say 'Proper Caps', what do you mean? 17:33 I'm not convinced tbh. I think we'll loose valuable info 17:33 Like this 17:33 rather than 17:33 like this 17:34 Okay, that's good. 17:34 What's the driver? 17:34 for 20 chars only? 17:34 I agree a max 20 chars will lose valuable information 17:34 I think its useful to say: all these interfaces are missing... 17:34 thats more that 20chars right there 17:35 that is fairly limiting, 20 chars 17:35 perhaps the requester will negotiate 17:35 Unless it's "'mysql', 'hsm', is miss..." 17:36 okies - so I think working some examples might be useful 17:36 then we can review appropriately and see what works well 17:36 jamespage, +1 17:36 It sounds like we need to pull together all of the workload statuses we set, put them down somewhere, and review it? Or is that too much? 17:37 or gnuoy ^ 17:37 Maybe aim for nice caps and succint message but not limit chars 17:37 coreycb, haha that was jamespage 17:37 lol 17:37 tinwood, I think that's a good idea 17:38 at least a subset of the common messages 17:38 This sounds like an action. Who's not here today? 17:39 Seriously, do we need this as a minuted action? 17:39 tinwood, I don't think so. Maybe lets all keep in mind the formatting of thos stauses 17:39 * those 17:40 Can I ask where the '20' came from? 17:40 it was a suggestion floating around for people with limited terminal width 17:40 --format yaml FTW 17:41 haha yeah 17:42 okay, so no action, but try to keep them short and snappy. assess_status() is a repeat offender as it concatenates missing interfaces ... a lot. 17:42 #topic Openstack Events 17:42 We may have covered this, but any more events? 17:42 Well ODS but I think we've covered that 17:43 Ok, moving on to: 17:43 #topic Open Discussion 17:43 The floor is yours. 17:44 I have nothing to openly discuss :-) 17:44 * tinwood chuckles 17:44 Do we want to discuss the email thread about hosting third party OS charms? 17:44 fire away. 17:44 congress and charm partner charms 17:45 Should all charms go upstream or is there a selection criteria? 17:45 there are no 3rd party os charms 17:46 as a project, openstack charms should be embracing anyone who wants to charm their part of openstack 17:46 agreed. I am aksing if the charm partner SDN charms should also be in this category 17:46 publication of such charms to the juju charm store is dependent on them meeting the criteria as set out by the juju charm team 17:47 thedac, +1 absoluletey 17:47 thedac, plumgrid already asked, onos want to be 17:47 I think the model of charms-core + charms--core will work well here 17:47 ok, so if we could document the procedure that would be helpful 17:47 sure - I'll put something in the charm-guide 17:48 great 17:48 #action jamespage document procedure for setup of sub-charm group ownership for SDN/storage vendors etc... 17:48 * meetingology jamespage document procedure for setup of sub-charm group ownership for SDN/storage vendors etc... 17:48 jamespage, beat me to it. 17:49 thanks jamespage 17:49 Anything more for Open Discussion? 17:49 not from me 17:49 or from jamespage 17:49 I am good 17:49 I'm good as well 17:49 Great. 17:50 #action Announce next meeting date, time and chair 17:50 * meetingology Announce next meeting date, time and chair 17:50 So the chair rotates; who's up for it next? 17:50 tinwood, it's in the wiki, one sec 17:50 tinwood, thedac is the winner 17:50 \o/ 17:51 At the moment, we're assuming next Wednesday at 17.00UTC here again? 17:51 tinwood, yes, I hope its elsewhere but will post a redirect here if needs be 17:51 ok 17:52 okay, then. With no further ado, thanks everybody and ... 17:52 #endmeeting