15:01 #startmeeting DMB meeting 15:01 Meeting started Mon May 9 15:01:23 2016 UTC. The chair is BenC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:01 15:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:02 I’m going to be a little slow getting started. First time using meetingology 15:02 no worries 15:02 I see 4 present, including myself. 15:02 5 15:03 Guess that’s enough to get started 15:03 #topic Review of previous action items 15:03 infinity: If you’re here... 15:04 I believe membership changes were done. 15:04 Can anyone else confirm? 15:04 I updated the agenda last week since it was a bit chaotic 15:04 I think lamont had some suggestions for us in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-May/000922.html in relation to this? 15:04 Sorry, I meant Laney. 15:04 rbasak: I saw that as well 15:05 I don't think that has been done, but you can add an action for me to fix this 15:05 whew 15:05 I’m guessing no one has done that changes. Anyone want to volunteer to take care of them? 15:05 o/ 15:05 Thanks cyphermox 15:05 #action cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Lane’s suggestions 15:05 * meetingology cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Lane’s suggestions 15:06 flexiondotorg: FYI ^. AIUI, this won't affect your actual uploadaccess. 15:06 Basically a house keeping action, right? 15:06 I believe so, yes. Paves the way for more MATE uploaders. 15:07 Well 15:07 The other half of it was that you should merge my branch and make it an automatically generated set 15:07 I think there is a question for flexiondotorg here though. 15:07 that's how flavour ones normally work 15:07 but up to you of course 15:07 Does he want to seed those packages that Laney mentioned? 15:07 Laney: ah, I assumed BenC's action covered your entire email. 15:08 Maybe so 15:08 I had assumed that as well 15:08 I can answer questions if need be. 15:08 OK, I think that the second part is housekeeping but the first part not 15:08 no bother if you want to define it differently :) 15:08 * Laney goes away 15:08 flexiondotorg: are you happy to seed the packages Laney mentioned? 15:08 Thanks, Laney 15:09 flexiondotorg: It’s in the devel-permissions email in the above URL 15:09 Ummm, do you mean the expanded packages I requested PPU for? 15:09 * flexiondotorg reads... 15:09 caja-actions 15:09 caja-dropbox 15:09 mate-accountsdialog 15:09 mate-common 15:09 mate-user-share 15:10 So, The above are not seeded. 15:10 I think so, yes. Because then we'll make it an automatically managed packageset instead. So rather than individual PPU, you'd be able to upload MATE-seeded stuff that isn't seeded elsewhere. 15:10 (I think) 15:10 But are part of the MATE packageset in the Debian pkg-mate team. 15:10 I would like to be able to upload fixes for those packages. 15:11 The suggestion is that you do seed them. 15:11 flexiondotorg: indeed, they should be in the mate supported seed, probably. we can discuss this after the meeting, but it's very much a jfdi thing 15:11 If by seed, you mean, include in the images. 15:11 not really 15:11 Then no, I don't want to seed them. 15:11 They don't have to be in the images. 15:11 they will be in a seed that doesn't make it into the images :) 15:11 You can seed them in a "supported" seed which basically means that you claim support for them but without them being in the images. 15:11 OK, then yes :-) 15:11 Great, thanks :) 15:12 If those packages go in a seed that is not part of the images, that is fine with me. 15:12 Ok, so I think we’re in agreement that the action stands and the suggestions in Laney’s email will be performed. 15:13 #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications 15:13 #subtopic Martin Wimpress / Ubuntu MATE Packages 15:13 I think this is sort of done, right? 15:13 I think this is moot now then? I do have another question but I'll take it up with flexiondotorg in #ubuntu-devel. 15:14 #agreed Martin Wimpress / MATE Packages already handled. 15:14 #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications 15:14 #subtopic Phillip Susi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication2 15:14 o/ 15:14 o/ 15:14 Hi psusi 15:14 Hello 15:15 We deferred you last time because you weren't online and we didn't see any endorsements. 15:15 psusi: Thanks for joingin. Care to give us some background and information you’d like to say? 15:15 well, I have been using Ubunutu since 6.06 was in development... and now I feel old... 15:15 psusi: I see that you're still missing endorsements. Do you need more time? 15:15 Yeah, noticing that as well. 15:15 I do a ton of bug triaging, and fix bugs whenever I can, though my time for that has been a bit limited lately due to busy schedule at work and a second kiddo at the end of last year 15:16 I've been a contributing developer for a few years now and decided it's time to stop pestering others to upload for me 15:17 not sure about the endorsements... I've been askiing in -devel every now and then for a good 5 months now 15:17 I'm also the upstream develeoper for GNU parted, and contribute to upstream gparted, and am the debian maintainer for gparted 15:18 I see you focus mainly on partition/disk/bootloader type packages. Is there any reason not to do per-package upload permissions instead of coredev? 15:19 my attention sometimes wanders ;) 15:19 but I suppose that would probably cover most of my work, yes 15:20 https://launchpad.net/~psusi/+uploaded-packages says that your last sponsored upload was in 2014? 15:21 wow... I guess lately I've been getting more of them in thorugh Debian 15:21 though I have at least one upload that has been waiting for sponsorship for months... a fix go grub to finally use dpkg-triggers for update-grub 15:22 The grub spam on my screen during some apt operations would agree to that being a good feature… 15:22 Is that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250109? 15:22 Launchpad bug 1250109 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please use dpkg-triggers" [Wishlist,Triaged] 15:22 http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=*Susi*&sponsoree_search=name <- it seems there was one more in 2015 15:24 I try to keep gparted just auto syncing from debian as I'm the dm there so I just upload there and let it auto sync to ubuntu 15:25 of course, during debian freeze, that can be a bit problematic when I want to update ubuntu for its release schedule 15:26 Anyone have any other questions or comments for psusi? 15:26 o/ 15:26 > that can e a bit problematic 15:26 Can you give us a recent example? 15:27 hrm... I don't recall exactly what it was now, but the last time debian had a freeze ( which has been some time now ), there was a crash bug fix of some sort that I wanted to get into Ubuntu 15:27 let me check the change log 15:28 pretty sure I ended up just filing a sync request bug and having someone else sync from debian experimental 15:29 after uploading it there 15:29 psusi: Thanks for answering our questions. 15:29 If there’s nothing further, I’ll call for a vote… 15:30 #vote Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev 15:30 Please vote on: Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev 15:30 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 15:30 -1 15:30 -1 received from BenC 15:30 -1 15:30 -1 received from rbasak 15:30 +0 15:30 +0 received from sil2100 15:31 -1, there are no endorsements, not much in terms of recent uploads; we really ought to gate core-dev on someone actively needing the permissions / wasting reviewers' time with perfect uploads. 15:31 -1, there are no endorsements, not much in terms of recent uploads; we really ought to gate core-dev on someone actively needing the permissions / wasting reviewers' time with perfect uploads. received from cyphermox 15:31 +0 15:31 +0 received from bdmurray 15:31 I don't think it's appropriate to grant upload access without any endorsements from fellow developers. 15:31 #endvote 15:31 Voting ended on: Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev 15:31 Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:2 15:31 Motion denied 15:31 psusi: I suggest applying for per-package, and getting some endorsements as well. 15:32 I must agree with cyphermox here a bit, even though I see that the uploads you did were fairly good, I didn't also see any more challenging uploads set for sponsoring 15:32 Thanks for your time and contributions, they are definitely appreciated. 15:32 guess I need to pester cjwatson some more... he sponsored me for contrib back when I didn't feel comfortable enough to have core 15:32 I'd also like to see a demonstrated need for upload access. 15:32 Especially for core dev. 15:32 ppu might work also 15:33 sil2100: it's not just the challenge level, but showing that one can do unsupervised upload to any part of the archive, etc. 15:33 Ok, moving on 15:33 #topic AOB 15:33 sil2100: so as we discussed last week, "X is wasting reviewers' time by asking for sponsoring for otherwise perfect uploads" is a great gate for core-dev access 15:33 Anything from any one? 15:34 I would also really recommend PPU right now 15:34 BenC: nothing from me 15:34 cyphermox: right 15:34 * sil2100 is good 15:34 Ok 15:34 #endmeeting