15:01 <BenC> #startmeeting DMB meeting 15:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon May 9 15:01:23 2016 UTC. The chair is BenC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:01 <meetingology> 15:01 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:02 <BenC> I’m going to be a little slow getting started. First time using meetingology 15:02 <cyphermox> no worries 15:02 <BenC> I see 4 present, including myself. 15:02 <BenC> 5 15:03 <BenC> Guess that’s enough to get started 15:03 <BenC> #topic Review of previous action items 15:03 <BenC> infinity: If you’re here... 15:04 <BenC> I believe membership changes were done. 15:04 <BenC> Can anyone else confirm? 15:04 <sil2100> I updated the agenda last week since it was a bit chaotic 15:04 <rbasak> I think lamont had some suggestions for us in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-May/000922.html in relation to this? 15:04 <rbasak> Sorry, I meant Laney. 15:04 <BenC> rbasak: I saw that as well 15:05 <cyphermox> I don't think that has been done, but you can add an action for me to fix this 15:05 <lamont> whew 15:05 <BenC> I’m guessing no one has done that changes. Anyone want to volunteer to take care of them? 15:05 <cyphermox> o/ 15:05 <rbasak> Thanks cyphermox 15:05 <BenC> #action cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Lane’s suggestions 15:05 * meetingology cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Lane’s suggestions 15:06 <rbasak> flexiondotorg: FYI ^. AIUI, this won't affect your actual uploadaccess. 15:06 <BenC> Basically a house keeping action, right? 15:06 <rbasak> I believe so, yes. Paves the way for more MATE uploaders. 15:07 <Laney> Well 15:07 <Laney> The other half of it was that you should merge my branch and make it an automatically generated set 15:07 <rbasak> I think there is a question for flexiondotorg here though. 15:07 <Laney> that's how flavour ones normally work 15:07 <Laney> but up to you of course 15:07 <rbasak> Does he want to seed those packages that Laney mentioned? 15:07 <rbasak> Laney: ah, I assumed BenC's action covered your entire email. 15:08 <Laney> Maybe so 15:08 <BenC> I had assumed that as well 15:08 <flexiondotorg> I can answer questions if need be. 15:08 <Laney> OK, I think that the second part is housekeeping but the first part not 15:08 <Laney> no bother if you want to define it differently :) 15:08 * Laney goes away 15:08 <rbasak> flexiondotorg: are you happy to seed the packages Laney mentioned? 15:08 <BenC> Thanks, Laney 15:09 <BenC> flexiondotorg: It’s in the devel-permissions email in the above URL 15:09 <flexiondotorg> Ummm, do you mean the expanded packages I requested PPU for? 15:09 * flexiondotorg reads... 15:09 <flexiondotorg> caja-actions 15:09 <flexiondotorg> caja-dropbox 15:09 <flexiondotorg> mate-accountsdialog 15:09 <flexiondotorg> mate-common 15:09 <flexiondotorg> mate-user-share 15:10 <flexiondotorg> So, The above are not seeded. 15:10 <rbasak> I think so, yes. Because then we'll make it an automatically managed packageset instead. So rather than individual PPU, you'd be able to upload MATE-seeded stuff that isn't seeded elsewhere. 15:10 <rbasak> (I think) 15:10 <flexiondotorg> But are part of the MATE packageset in the Debian pkg-mate team. 15:10 <flexiondotorg> I would like to be able to upload fixes for those packages. 15:11 <rbasak> The suggestion is that you do seed them. 15:11 <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: indeed, they should be in the mate supported seed, probably. we can discuss this after the meeting, but it's very much a jfdi thing 15:11 <flexiondotorg> If by seed, you mean, include in the images. 15:11 <cyphermox> not really 15:11 <flexiondotorg> Then no, I don't want to seed them. 15:11 <rbasak> They don't have to be in the images. 15:11 <cyphermox> they will be in a seed that doesn't make it into the images :) 15:11 <rbasak> You can seed them in a "supported" seed which basically means that you claim support for them but without them being in the images. 15:11 <flexiondotorg> OK, then yes :-) 15:11 <rbasak> Great, thanks :) 15:12 <flexiondotorg> If those packages go in a seed that is not part of the images, that is fine with me. 15:12 <BenC> Ok, so I think we’re in agreement that the action stands and the suggestions in Laney’s email will be performed. 15:13 <BenC> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications 15:13 <BenC> #subtopic Martin Wimpress / Ubuntu MATE Packages 15:13 <BenC> I think this is sort of done, right? 15:13 <rbasak> I think this is moot now then? I do have another question but I'll take it up with flexiondotorg in #ubuntu-devel. 15:14 <BenC> #agreed Martin Wimpress / MATE Packages already handled. 15:14 <BenC> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications 15:14 <BenC> #subtopic Phillip Susi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhillipSusi/DeveloperApplication2 15:14 <psusi> o/ 15:14 <sil2100> o/ 15:14 <rbasak> Hi psusi 15:14 <sil2100> Hello 15:15 <rbasak> We deferred you last time because you weren't online and we didn't see any endorsements. 15:15 <BenC> psusi: Thanks for joingin. Care to give us some background and information you’d like to say? 15:15 <psusi> well, I have been using Ubunutu since 6.06 was in development... and now I feel old... 15:15 <rbasak> psusi: I see that you're still missing endorsements. Do you need more time? 15:15 <BenC> Yeah, noticing that as well. 15:15 <psusi> I do a ton of bug triaging, and fix bugs whenever I can, though my time for that has been a bit limited lately due to busy schedule at work and a second kiddo at the end of last year 15:16 <psusi> I've been a contributing developer for a few years now and decided it's time to stop pestering others to upload for me 15:17 <psusi> not sure about the endorsements... I've been askiing in -devel every now and then for a good 5 months now 15:17 <psusi> I'm also the upstream develeoper for GNU parted, and contribute to upstream gparted, and am the debian maintainer for gparted 15:18 <BenC> I see you focus mainly on partition/disk/bootloader type packages. Is there any reason not to do per-package upload permissions instead of coredev? 15:19 <psusi> my attention sometimes wanders ;) 15:19 <psusi> but I suppose that would probably cover most of my work, yes 15:20 <rbasak> https://launchpad.net/~psusi/+uploaded-packages says that your last sponsored upload was in 2014? 15:21 <psusi> wow... I guess lately I've been getting more of them in thorugh Debian 15:21 <psusi> though I have at least one upload that has been waiting for sponsorship for months... a fix go grub to finally use dpkg-triggers for update-grub 15:22 <BenC> The grub spam on my screen during some apt operations would agree to that being a good feature… 15:22 <rbasak> Is that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1250109? 15:22 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1250109 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please use dpkg-triggers" [Wishlist,Triaged] 15:22 <sil2100> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=*Susi*&sponsoree_search=name <- it seems there was one more in 2015 15:24 <psusi> I try to keep gparted just auto syncing from debian as I'm the dm there so I just upload there and let it auto sync to ubuntu 15:25 <psusi> of course, during debian freeze, that can be a bit problematic when I want to update ubuntu for its release schedule 15:26 <BenC> Anyone have any other questions or comments for psusi? 15:26 <rbasak> o/ 15:26 <rbasak> > that can e a bit problematic 15:26 <rbasak> Can you give us a recent example? 15:27 <psusi> hrm... I don't recall exactly what it was now, but the last time debian had a freeze ( which has been some time now ), there was a crash bug fix of some sort that I wanted to get into Ubuntu 15:27 <psusi> let me check the change log 15:28 <psusi> pretty sure I ended up just filing a sync request bug and having someone else sync from debian experimental 15:29 <psusi> after uploading it there 15:29 <BenC> psusi: Thanks for answering our questions. 15:29 <BenC> If there’s nothing further, I’ll call for a vote… 15:30 <BenC> #vote Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev 15:30 <meetingology> Please vote on: Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev 15:30 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 15:30 <BenC> -1 15:30 <meetingology> -1 received from BenC 15:30 <rbasak> -1 15:30 <meetingology> -1 received from rbasak 15:30 <sil2100> +0 15:30 <meetingology> +0 received from sil2100 15:31 <cyphermox> -1, there are no endorsements, not much in terms of recent uploads; we really ought to gate core-dev on someone actively needing the permissions / wasting reviewers' time with perfect uploads. 15:31 <meetingology> -1, there are no endorsements, not much in terms of recent uploads; we really ought to gate core-dev on someone actively needing the permissions / wasting reviewers' time with perfect uploads. received from cyphermox 15:31 <bdmurray> +0 15:31 <meetingology> +0 received from bdmurray 15:31 <rbasak> I don't think it's appropriate to grant upload access without any endorsements from fellow developers. 15:31 <BenC> #endvote 15:31 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Phillip Susi for Ubuntu Core Dev 15:31 <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:2 15:31 <meetingology> Motion denied 15:31 <BenC> psusi: I suggest applying for per-package, and getting some endorsements as well. 15:32 <sil2100> I must agree with cyphermox here a bit, even though I see that the uploads you did were fairly good, I didn't also see any more challenging uploads set for sponsoring 15:32 <BenC> Thanks for your time and contributions, they are definitely appreciated. 15:32 <psusi> guess I need to pester cjwatson some more... he sponsored me for contrib back when I didn't feel comfortable enough to have core 15:32 <rbasak> I'd also like to see a demonstrated need for upload access. 15:32 <rbasak> Especially for core dev. 15:32 <psusi> ppu might work also 15:33 <cyphermox> sil2100: it's not just the challenge level, but showing that one can do unsupervised upload to any part of the archive, etc. 15:33 <BenC> Ok, moving on 15:33 <BenC> #topic AOB 15:33 <cyphermox> sil2100: so as we discussed last week, "X is wasting reviewers' time by asking for sponsoring for otherwise perfect uploads" is a great gate for core-dev access 15:33 <BenC> Anything from any one? 15:34 <sil2100> I would also really recommend PPU right now 15:34 <cyphermox> BenC: nothing from me 15:34 <sil2100> cyphermox: right 15:34 * sil2100 is good 15:34 <BenC> Ok 15:34 <BenC> #endmeeting