== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-meeting: DMB meeting, 25 Apr at 19:09 — 19:38 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-19.09.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Review actions from last meeting === The discussion about "Review actions from last meeting" started at 19:09. === Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application === The discussion about "Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application" started at 19:15. * ''Vote:'' Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it (Carried) * ''Vote:'' We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting (Carried) * ''ACTION:'' infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same * ''ACTION:'' flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal === AOB === The discussion about "AOB" started at 19:29. * ''ACTION:'' sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members == Vote results == * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-19.09.log.html#95 We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/0/0) * Voters sil2100, BenC, micahg, infinity, rbasak * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-25-19.09.log.html#75 Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/0) * Voters sil2100, BenC, infinity, rbasak == Action items, by person == * flexiondotorg * infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same * flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal * infinity * infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same * sil2100 * sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * infinity (72) * meetingology (26) * flexiondotorg (25) * rbasak (16) * BenC (15) * sil2100 (14) * micahg (6) * cyphermox (2) == Full Log == 19:09 #startmeeting DMB meeting 19:09 Meeting started Mon Apr 25 19:09:34 2016 UTC. The chair is infinity. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:09 19:09 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:09 #topic Review actions from last meeting 19:10 cyphermox to make membership changes 19:10 Iz done? 19:10 yes, iz done. 19:10 bdmurray to summarize meeting / send announcements 19:12 That appears to have not been done since Sept 2015. :P 19:12 Perhaps time to revisit team reports. 19:12 DMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj 19:12 ^-- Did people do this? 19:12 I don’t know what that is 19:13 It was on the agenda last week, too. 19:13 I missed the last meeting which is, I assume, where this action came up? 19:13 Last meeting 19:13 Oh. 19:13 Well, does someone know what it means? If not, we should strike it instead of carrying it. 19:13 I think it’s left over from September. 19:13 I guess this was some leftover from the previous meetings? Like the old old? 19:13 cyphermox: Any ideas? 19:14 yeah, at this point it's a new DMB and he should reapply if he has people willing to endorse his application 19:14 Check. 19:14 I'll strike the action. 19:14 So let it be written... 19:14 infinity: indeed 19:14 Moving on. 19:15 flexiondotorg: You here? 19:15 Present. 19:15 #topic Martin Wimpress MATE PPU upload application 19:15 flexiondotorg: Tell us all about MATE, yourself, your life histoy, and you'd cat's medical records. 19:16 OK 19:16 While slackers like me go read the application. 19:16 MATE is the continuation of GNOME2. 19:16 But updated to support modern technologies suchs as gsettings, systemd and GTK3+ 19:17 How many other people are involved in the project? 19:17 I'm a MATE core team member and have been for several years now. 19:17 I also am chief executive minion for MATE Desktop team. 19:17 For MATE, about 6 regular core contriutors. 19:18 Do you mentor contributors outside of the core? 19:18 And about 20 somewhat regualr commiters. 19:18 I do. 19:18 flexiondotorg: So, at a quick glance, even without any nitpicking interview bits, I'd say PPU for the 7 packages you listed is probably a no-brainer, *but* I'd also argue you made the packageset way too small. 19:18 I've mentored via GSoC 19:18 flexiondotorg: What's your argument for not including the entire mate desktop environment in this? 19:18 * BenC wondered that as well 19:18 infinity, Orginally the package set included all of MATE. 19:18 I was asked to reduce it. 19:19 is this a packageset application or PPU? 19:19 I maintain mATE in Debian. 19:19 flexiondotorg: ORLY? Who asked you to reduce it? 19:19 So all of MATE is synced from Debian directly to Ubuntu without changes. 19:19 I mean, I assume the DMB, but I clearly missed that meeting. :P 19:19 infinity, I forget who asked. 19:19 Is there an existing package set that 1 or more of the other core contributors has access to? 19:19 But look at the wiki history, you'll see I removed loads. 19:19 flexiondotorg: Yes, and that works well for you in the devel cycle, but you just signed up for a 3 year LTS, and you can't sync from Debian for that. 19:19 Yes. 19:20 When the freeze happens I make fixes in Debian and then requestsync those to Ubuntu. 19:20 And that slow us up somewhat. 19:20 Anyhow, I think we can break this into two topics so we don't get bogged down in more confusion and delays for you. 19:20 flexiondotorg: as per our IRC PM discussion, it's best to ask for more - if it's too much we would propose a smaller set then 19:20 Does anyone have questions for Martin WRT the current package set request and his competencies? 19:21 So if I was able to process those MATE syncrequests during freeze it would be a great help and also unburden the desktop, sponsors and release teams who I've leaned on quite a bit over the last 18 months. 19:21 We'll attack the issue of the size of the set in a second. 19:22 Should I propose the MATE Desktop package set now? 19:22 Right, I don't see anyone stumbling over themselves to ask things. So I'm doing this in two bits. 19:22 I’m good on competency and relevance of his application 19:22 flexiondotorg: Sec. :P 19:22 Fine from my side, I already had opportunities to see flexiondotorg's work 19:22 #startvote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it 19:22 I think flexiondotorg having driven the milestones speaks for itself wrt. his knowledge of the release cycle. 19:23 +1 19:23 #vote Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it 19:23 Please vote on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it 19:23 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:23 And with him maintaining in Debian, general upload access is a no-brainer. Together with his Ubuntu contributions. 19:23 Better. 19:23 +1 19:23 +1 received from infinity 19:23 +1 19:23 +1 received from sil2100 19:23 +1 19:23 +1 received from BenC 19:23 +1 19:23 +1 received from rbasak 19:23 #endvote 19:23 Voting ended on: Create a MATE packgeset (based on the current set in the wiki) and give Martin Wimpress upload rights for it 19:23 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:23 Motion carried 19:23 +1 19:23 micahg: We had quorum, you're too late. ;) 19:23 Okay. So, second knock-off item. 19:24 #vote We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting 19:24 Please vote on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting 19:24 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:24 +1 19:24 +1 received from infinity 19:24 +1 19:24 +1 received from BenC 19:24 +1 19:24 +1 received from sil2100 19:24 +1 19:24 +1 received from rbasak 19:24 (would give that to him already personally) 19:24 But presumably we can start with his list? 19:25 rbasak: Right, hence why I did it in two votes. We'll set him up ASAP with the current list, then expand it based on his proposed additions. 19:25 Delaying the former for the latter seems pointless. 19:25 Yeah that's what I was asking. I didn't think we'd just voted for that :) 19:25 +1 19:25 +1 received from micahg 19:25 #endvote 19:25 Voting ended on: We believe the MATE packageset is probably too limited, vote to assign an action to Martin to propose a larger scope for review out-of-band or at the next meeting 19:25 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:25 Motion carried 19:25 But I think it's safe to assume that everyone's fine with it. 19:25 (or understood that already if it's just me) 19:26 flexiondotorg: Alright, you have an action to bring us a better/expanded list. But we'll hook you up with the tiny list after the meeting's done. 19:26 Thanks everyone, that's brilliant :-) 19:26 Oh, and I'll take an executive action to make this retroactive to xenial, so you're not stuck mainintaining an LTS you can't upload to. :P 19:26 flexiondotorg: Congrats 19:27 infinity, That's even more perfect. 19:27 flexiondotorg: what took you so long? :-) 19:27 ;) 19:27 rbasak, The DMB was on hiatus ;-) 19:27 #action infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same 19:27 * meetingology infinity to update xenial and yakkety for ubuntu-mate packageset and flexiondotorg's upload privs to same 19:28 #action flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal 19:28 * meetingology flexiondotorg to bring us an expanded MATE packageset proposal 19:28 Thanks everyone. 19:28 yw, congratulations! 19:29 Okay, and due to both the lack of psusi in the meeting and the lack of endorsements on his application, we'll defer him to another time. 19:29 #topic AOB 19:29 Next chair is BenC. 19:30 With a backup of sil2100 19:30 Uh oh! 19:30 Ok 19:30 I'd like to propose that someone actually fix the (&(*!%%! fridge calendar to (a) accurately represent the meeting times and (b) invite everyone with their preferred calendar email address (adam.conrad@canonical.com for me, please) 19:31 Anyone want to take that action? 19:31 I could take care of that - never did anything to the fridge before 19:31 I might actually show up to meetings if my phone yells at me. 19:31 Besides opening up for food and drinks 19:31 sil2100: It's not too hard to sort out. Go nuts. 19:31 The key is knowing the meeting times. 19:31 Which I clearly don't. 19:31 Ok, add an action item so I don't forget 19:32 #action sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members 19:32 * meetingology sil2100 to fix the Fridge calendar to list DMB meetings at the right times and invite the current members 19:32 Thanks o/ 19:32 sil2100: For Canonical employees, invite first.last@canonical (unless someone requests otherwise), since those are our work calendars. You might have to ask the non-canonical people for their preferred annoyance address for gcal invites. 19:32 do we want to take a poll for meeting times for the new board 19:33 We're 4 NA and 2 EU, and no APAC? 19:33 Shouldn't be hard to just find one time that works for all 6. 19:33 Unless we want to keep alternating to make it easier on applicants. 19:33 I'm happy with the current timing. Evening for me isn't great but presumably that'd be a bit harsh. 19:34 I think that alternation is for applicants, yes 19:34 So alternating works for me. 19:34 Kay. I'm not picky, so long as I have reminders. ;) 19:34 benmcollins13@gmail.com for my cal 19:35 first.last@ubuntu.com for me please. 19:35 rbasak: ubuntu.com, really? Not canonical.com? Do you run two calendars? 19:36 (weirdo) 19:36 Oh, good point. I have no idea where calendar invites actually go when sent by email. 19:36 @canonical.com is my gcal. 19:36 rbasak: Error: "canonical.com" is not a valid command. 19:36 Right, canonical.com then. :P 19:36 But I'm not sure sent-by-email invites work anyway. 19:36 rbasak: Right, the Fridge is more magic than sent-by-email. 19:37 Ah, OK. Thanks. 19:37 micahg: Preferred email for gcal invites, for sil2100 to sort? The rest of us can just use @canonical. 19:37 And I'd like to close the meeting. 19:38 Which I'll do if no one has AOAOB. 19:38 Going once. 19:38 Twice. 19:38 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)