17:00 #startmeeting CC meeting 17:00 Meeting started Thu Feb 4 17:00:41 2016 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:00 17:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:01 #chair belkinsa czajkowski hggdh sgclark mhall119 marcoceppi 17:01 Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach hggdh marcoceppi mhall119 sgclark 17:01 Aloha 17:01 almost the entire CC :) 17:01 o/ 17:01 hello 17:01 o/ 17:01 o/ 17:01 how are we all doing? :) 17:01 Doing well. Thanks for asking. 17:01 trying to blame being tired on jetlag, but the timeline isn't in my favor there 17:01 life is good :-) 17:01 allergies :( 17:02 mhall119: I'm with you on that one :) 17:02 * dholbach hugs sgclark 17:02 pesky timezones :) 17:02 so we're meeting the Xubuntu team... do we have anyone from the team here? 17:02 pleia2: ? 17:03 although, I think she's at linux.conf.au this week 17:03 * micahg is here, but hasn't been doing much with Xubuntu lately 17:03 ochosi? 17:03 Noskcaj_? 17:04 just pinging folks in #xubuntu-devel right now 17:05 * genii makes more coffee 17:06 I would suggest we wait a few mins - and then move on to the Ubuntu Studio team if we can't find anyone 17:06 * belkinsa nods 17:06 * hggdh finishes current coffee brew, and prepares another 17:06 can anyone ping a few ubuntu studio people already? :) 17:07 or we can start with studio first if there's someone here for it 17:07 and then try XUbuntu again after 17:07 sure, that'd work for me as well 17:08 nods 17:08 dholbach, Ubuntu Studio pinged in their channel. 17:08 zequence: are you around for the Ubuntu Studio catchup meeting? 17:08 thanks belkinsa 17:09 Not a problem. 17:10 perhaps we need to go back to sending reminder emails 24 hours in advance 17:10 yeah :-/ 17:10 Agreed. 17:10 or setting up a shared calendar with invites 17:10 so folks get a notification 17:11 That could work. 17:11 * sgclark nods 17:12 is there anyone who woud like to take a look at setting this up? 17:12 I will 17:12 Sure I will 17:12 mhall119: you do enough :) 17:12 Hi - I am from Ubuntu Studio 17:12 doesn't feel like it :/ 17:12 Rosco2, prefect, thank you! 17:12 sgclark: let's work together on it then 17:12 I know the feeling 17:13 Same here. 17:13 mhall119: sounds good :) 17:13 thanks a lot mhall119, sgclark! 17:13 thanks Rosco2! 17:13 #topic Catching up with the Ubuntu Studio team 17:13 Rosco2: how are you doing? :) 17:13 There is still time for zequence to join at half past 17:13 Fine 17:14 First time I have joined one of these 17:14 Rosco2: yeah, we didn't have anyone from Xubuntu here so we're starting Studio earlier than planned 17:14 Rosco2: great to have you :-) 17:14 how are things in the Ubuntu Studio world? 17:15 We are in a transition with zequence soon to be replaced with Set 17:15 as new Lead 17:16 hopefullt Set joins too 17:16 ah cool... have you been working together for a while already? 17:17 I have only been around for a couple of cycles 17:17 Which part of Ubuntu Studio are you most interested in? 17:18 I currently maintain some packages in Debian 17:18 a couple of cycles is a decent amount of time invested :) We're happy you've been around this long 17:18 So helping with syncs/merges SRUs - bug triage etc 17:18 Yes, and maybe enough to apply for your Membership/ 17:19 I have volunteered to be Test Lead 17:19 Rosco2: nice... has somebody been sponsoring your upload for you up until now? 17:19 So the first big thing is to help with the release 17:20 I have not had that many uploads in Ubuntu 17:20 How are things looking so far for 16.04? 17:20 And quite a few different sponsors 17:20 Excellent! :-) 17:21 From my part - looking good 17:21 Rosco2: have you considered applying for Ubuntu Membership? 17:21 greetings! 17:21 We have been working with flocculant to get some manua� test cases on the QA tracker 17:21 as belkinsa mentioned, you've been around long enough for it, and I'm sure you can get testimonials from other members in Ubuntu Studio 17:22 hello sakrecoer 17:22 Rosco2: excellent 17:22 Rosco2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership 17:22 For info on the Membership. 17:22 Thanks - I will look into it 17:22 Not a problem. 17:22 * mhall119 sees you've also been active in gramps, I love that program 17:23 czajkowski: they did good with the testcases :) 17:23 Gramps is what got me started 17:23 Rosco2, have you and the team ran into any problems in this cycle? 17:23 do you have still many things you need to get done for 16.04? 17:25 This cycle = 16.04. 17:25 We have not been very ambitious with new features this cycle 17:26 So I guess a lot of package updates and stabilisation? 17:26 But Set has been working to sort out artwork etc 17:26 Rosco2: is that from lack of time/resources, or lack of confidence? 17:26 Resources I would say 17:27 what's the plan for increasing that? Do you need help with recruitment or promotion? 17:27 There are many of us that are in the Studio team but also have other interests 17:27 ^^ that's a question for anyone involved in Studio, not just Rosco2 17:27 is the rt kernel still being used for ubuntu studio? 17:28 I think low latency kernel 17:28 ah sorry, yes 17:28 and the work with the kernel team is going smoothly on that one? 17:28 But zequence & ovenworks know the moost about that 17:29 ok -I know that it was a source of problems in the past, but it's probably no issue anymore :) 17:29 Zequence wrote me that things were pretty smooth 17:29 excellent - let us know if we can ever help with anything 17:29 where do you currently get the most feedback from ubuntu studio users? 17:30 Things are pretty quiet on -user 17:30 promotion would be very handy. we are putting emphasis on PR. cfhowlett has helped me with that. 17:31 the feedback is coming in from various channels. i' affraid facebook takes a big chunk of that space 17:31 flocculant: excellent 17:32 are you happy with the feedback you've been getting in the last time? 17:32 sakrecoer: Facebook has the most eyeballs, so that's not surprising 17:33 i'm not ancient enough to say if it is more or less feedback. but i hear from zequence that he noted a raise in the average activity/interaction 17:34 ok, cool 17:34 our of curiousity, what do you guys use most for your regular team communication, is it IRC, emails, something else? 17:34 good 17:34 i would say mailing list, then irc. 17:34 +1 17:35 cool 17:35 do you have anything you'd like the CC to help you with? or any questions you have for us? 17:35 because I have run out of questions now :-) 17:35 I have nothing 17:35 How does your team feel about the overall direction that Ubuntu is taking and how Studio fits into that? 17:35 :) we could need a hand with promotion, especially on recruiting team-members 17:36 does ubuntu studio have a page on community.ubuntu.com? maybe we could add something there 17:36 it is difficult to speak for the hole team, but i think everyone involved and active is pretty happy about the project 17:36 that's really good to hear 17:37 but also if you do have any items we can help just let us know 17:37 yes, the door's always open :) 17:37 Thanks 17:37 the documentation needs update in many areas. 17:37 sakrecoer: as for helping with promotion, we can re-share things on FB, Twittere and G+ if you let us know about them 17:37 "we" being dholbach and myself 17:38 welcome to ubuntu land :p 17:38 doesn't it always :) 17:38 and keep up the good work! :) 17:38 that's the one consistent trait when it comes to documentation, it always needs to be updated :) 17:38 for example, it is difficult to find a comprehensive howto, on how to pull in the ubuntustudio packages into another ubuntu flavour. 17:39 you could ask a question like that on ubuntu-devel@lists.u.c - I'm sure there are folks who could help you with that 17:39 details like that, that we can sort out on our own, but being few makes it complicated: hence PR on team recruiting would do miracles, i believe 17:39 right :) 17:39 dholbach, i will try that :) 17:39 sakrecoer: in the past we've had success by dedicating a specific hour or two on a specific day to being on IRC and helping new contributors get started. If people know when and where you will be, they tend to come :) 17:39 just give us a ping 17:39 thanks a lot sakrecoer and Rosco2! 17:40 sgclark, marcoceppi, czajkowski, mhall119, belkinsa, hggdh: any more questions from you? 17:40 cheers all 17:40 none from me 17:40 none from me 17:40 not from me 17:40 Rosco2, sakrecoer: tahnk you for your work 17:41 thank you all and keep up the fantastic work on Ubuntu Studio 17:41 thanks for your work 17:41 :-) 17:41 #topic Catching up with the Xubuntu team 17:41 hello flocculant - how are you doing? 17:41 anyone else from the Xubuntu team? 17:42 ok thanks 17:42 how are things in the Xubuntu team? 17:43 ok thanks - not much change anyway :) 17:43 so you're stabilising things for the LTS? 17:43 oh - krytarik is about but hiding ... 17:43 dholbach: we're trying :D 17:43 krytarik: welcome :) 17:43 Hi. :P 17:44 the software centre change or not change isn't helping tbh 17:44 flocculant: having any problems with getting things stabilized? 17:44 flocculant: are you in touch with the desktop team about this? 17:44 it would be nice to know if *you* are changing so we have something to base our decision on 17:44 dholbach: ochosi is - and I'm in channel following too 17:44 afaik the Unity desktop will be changing 17:45 they are changing as I understand 17:45 though recent discussions didn't appear too positive - so ... 17:45 sgclark: well yes - but if you see discussions - not quite so clear cut 17:45 flocculant: willcooke should be able to give you a definitive answer 17:45 tbh - if usc is still there - we might just still use it anyway 17:45 flocculant: did Xubuntu use USC previously? 17:45 ok, guess I missed them sorry 17:45 right, that makes sense 17:46 :) 17:46 sgclark: I tend to watch the channel for chat on it :) 17:46 if you want we can put you in touch and maybe help with organising a catchup with the desktop folks and make sure you're aware of new developments 17:46 the downside is that USC doesn't support the new Snappy store 17:46 dholbach: I think that we're talking to them anyway about it 17:46 sounds like a good move forward dholbach 17:46 s/think/know 17:47 flocculant: ok... if you're in touch already, that's great 17:47 flocculant: are they aware that the uncertainty is causing the Xubuntu team problems? 17:47 I just wanted to make sure that communication is at least going fine 17:47 the fonts-droid thing is the latest - oh god really :| thing :) 17:47 dholbach: yep - we're cool 17:47 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html 17:48 our current position is " bluesabre, knome: cant we raise our concern with the LTS->LTS upgrade path? i mean if they at least keep the pkg around for another cycle that'd be great, and maintenance for a font package is zerrrro" 17:48 hum... isn't there a drop-in replacement for the package? 17:48 that's at least how I understood the discussion 17:49 yea and it looks rather meh to us 17:49 so we're in the middle of trying to decide what to do about that as well 17:49 ok 17:50 was droid-fonts used in the default Xubuntu setup? 17:50 it might be a good idea to follow up on the thread and point out that the replacement doesn't work so well for Xubuntu 17:50 just so others start looking at it too 17:50 yep - that's all being discussed currently - we're not likely to post anywhere pre-emptively 17:50 other than me telling you all :D 17:51 ok 17:51 which leaves our main problem this cycle to last ;) 17:51 https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 17:52 which we've been trying to get sorted for quite some time now 17:52 so slangasek is not authoritative enough? or what's the problem? 17:53 or are there different opinions in the CD team about it? 17:53 flocculant: is there some mis-communication going on here? Maybe having a video chat with slangasek and xnox would help clear things up 17:53 or bring it up with the TB 17:53 dholbach: you need to check the IRC log in the last comment 17:53 http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/06/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t17:23 17:53 flocculant: right... I didn't click on it as I wasn't sure if I was expected to read 6892048697426 lines of irc log :-) 17:53 ha ha ha 17:54 *my* problem of course being if it lands - but lands really late - then I'll not be signing it off from QA pov 17:54 I think mhall119 has had some input on it at some point 17:55 I brought it back up with slangasek and team, but I don't have any input on it myself 17:55 ochosi, flocculant - removing a font, and using a different makes a zilch of a difference for LTS->LTS upgrade. 17:55 I don't actually expect anything to get done by you all now ofc - you just want to know what's going on 17:55 thus i don't see what the problem is. 17:55 I would send a mail to the TB asking them to take a look at it and to help landing it soon. 17:55 but I think this might just be miscommunication that could be cleared up with a real-time chat like a hangout 17:56 dholbach: anyway - I'm pushed for time - those are our issues currently - everything else is ticking over nicely 17:56 slangasek: xnox: Would you be up for a hangout with knome or others in Xubuntu dev to clear this up? 17:56 thanks a lot for going into detail 17:56 mhall119: no, that doesn't help anything 17:56 there are MPs that need reviewing 17:56 xnox: afaik - the issue is the drop-in replacement doesn't look nice :) but I'm not 'arty' by any means 17:57 ochosi, flocculant, dholbach - two people, slangasek and myself indicated to use "desktop" for small, and "dvd" for big images. in a clear manner, with no code to follow. 17:57 slangasek: reviewed by whom? 17:57 mhall119: the ubuntu-cdimage team (which includes myself and infinity) 17:57 slangasek, your comment https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167/comments/691226 is not fixed. 17:57 slangasek: ok, can those get a priority bump so that the Xubuntu team has time to get their QA stuff done for the LTS release? 17:58 xnox: I just brought it up for the CC - I've not the technical knowhow nor time to get into that now 17:58 xnox: there were subsequent IRC discussions that you were not a part of 17:58 xnox: and other MPs have been raised 17:58 slangasek: that being the MATE thing? 17:58 guessing ... 17:58 flocculant, i think said font will drop to universe and (will rot there) =) you are free to take any artistic direction you want, and we have a tonne of packages in ubuntu, that have been removed in debian. 17:58 * ogra_ thought he saw one that renamed it to xubuntu-base ... or is that unrelated ? 17:58 flocculant: yes 17:59 flocculant, so if you want to keep using it.... keep using it. it's just a font. 17:59 slangasek: ta :) 17:59 flocculant: slangasek: ok, if you guys can keep this progressing that would be great, otherwise please bring the CC back into the discussion if things become blocked or stall 17:59 slangasek, ah, ok. 17:59 anyway - really got to go now - kids landing and apparently starving :) 17:59 thanks dholbach et al 17:59 thanks flocculant for the quick update 17:59 thank you flocculant 17:59 welcome :) 18:00 please let us know if we can help 18:00 yep - we know where you are :) 18:00 thanks! :) 18:00 #topic Any other business 18:00 Does anyone have any other business? 18:00 not I 18:00 nope 18:00 I have nothing at this time 18:01 ok cool - I have nothing to add either 18:01 thanks a lot everyone and have great rest of your day! :-) 18:01 #endmeeting