17:00 <dholbach> #startmeeting CC meeting 17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb 4 17:00:41 2016 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:00 <meetingology> 17:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:01 <dholbach> #chair belkinsa czajkowski hggdh sgclark mhall119 marcoceppi 17:01 <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach hggdh marcoceppi mhall119 sgclark 17:01 <czajkowski> Aloha 17:01 <dholbach> almost the entire CC :) 17:01 <hggdh> o/ 17:01 <sgclark> hello 17:01 <mhall119> o/ 17:01 <belkinsa> o/ 17:01 <dholbach> how are we all doing? :) 17:01 <belkinsa> Doing well. Thanks for asking. 17:01 <mhall119> trying to blame being tired on jetlag, but the timeline isn't in my favor there 17:01 <hggdh> life is good :-) 17:01 <sgclark> allergies :( 17:02 <dholbach> mhall119: I'm with you on that one :) 17:02 * dholbach hugs sgclark 17:02 <czajkowski> pesky timezones :) 17:02 <dholbach> so we're meeting the Xubuntu team... do we have anyone from the team here? 17:02 <mhall119> pleia2: ? 17:03 <mhall119> although, I think she's at linux.conf.au this week 17:03 * micahg is here, but hasn't been doing much with Xubuntu lately 17:03 <dholbach> ochosi? 17:03 <dholbach> Noskcaj_? 17:04 <dholbach> just pinging folks in #xubuntu-devel right now 17:05 * genii makes more coffee 17:06 <dholbach> I would suggest we wait a few mins - and then move on to the Ubuntu Studio team if we can't find anyone 17:06 * belkinsa nods 17:06 * hggdh finishes current coffee brew, and prepares another 17:06 <dholbach> can anyone ping a few ubuntu studio people already? :) 17:07 <mhall119> or we can start with studio first if there's someone here for it 17:07 <mhall119> and then try XUbuntu again after 17:07 <dholbach> sure, that'd work for me as well 17:08 <czajkowski> nods 17:08 <belkinsa> dholbach, Ubuntu Studio pinged in their channel. 17:08 <mhall119> zequence: are you around for the Ubuntu Studio catchup meeting? 17:08 <dholbach> thanks belkinsa 17:09 <belkinsa> Not a problem. 17:10 <mhall119> perhaps we need to go back to sending reminder emails 24 hours in advance 17:10 <dholbach> yeah :-/ 17:10 <belkinsa> Agreed. 17:10 <mhall119> or setting up a shared calendar with invites 17:10 <mhall119> so folks get a notification 17:11 <belkinsa> That could work. 17:11 * sgclark nods 17:12 <dholbach> is there anyone who woud like to take a look at setting this up? 17:12 <mhall119> I will 17:12 <sgclark> Sure I will 17:12 <sgclark> mhall119: you do enough :) 17:12 <Rosco2> Hi - I am from Ubuntu Studio 17:12 <mhall119> doesn't feel like it :/ 17:12 <belkinsa> Rosco2, prefect, thank you! 17:12 <mhall119> sgclark: let's work together on it then 17:12 <sgclark> I know the feeling 17:13 <belkinsa> Same here. 17:13 <sgclark> mhall119: sounds good :) 17:13 <dholbach> thanks a lot mhall119, sgclark! 17:13 <dholbach> thanks Rosco2! 17:13 <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Ubuntu Studio team 17:13 <dholbach> Rosco2: how are you doing? :) 17:13 <Rosco2> There is still time for zequence to join at half past 17:13 <Rosco2> Fine 17:14 <Rosco2> First time I have joined one of these 17:14 <mhall119> Rosco2: yeah, we didn't have anyone from Xubuntu here so we're starting Studio earlier than planned 17:14 <dholbach> Rosco2: great to have you :-) 17:14 <dholbach> how are things in the Ubuntu Studio world? 17:15 <Rosco2> We are in a transition with zequence soon to be replaced with Set 17:15 <Rosco2> as new Lead 17:16 <Rosco2> hopefullt Set joins too 17:16 <dholbach> ah cool... have you been working together for a while already? 17:17 <Rosco2> I have only been around for a couple of cycles 17:17 <dholbach> Which part of Ubuntu Studio are you most interested in? 17:18 <Rosco2> I currently maintain some packages in Debian 17:18 <mhall119> a couple of cycles is a decent amount of time invested :) We're happy you've been around this long 17:18 <Rosco2> So helping with syncs/merges SRUs - bug triage etc 17:18 <belkinsa> Yes, and maybe enough to apply for your Membership/ 17:19 <Rosco2> I have volunteered to be Test Lead 17:19 <dholbach> Rosco2: nice... has somebody been sponsoring your upload for you up until now? 17:19 <Rosco2> So the first big thing is to help with the release 17:20 <Rosco2> I have not had that many uploads in Ubuntu 17:20 <dholbach> How are things looking so far for 16.04? 17:20 <Rosco2> And quite a few different sponsors 17:20 <dholbach> Excellent! :-) 17:21 <Rosco2> From my part - looking good 17:21 <mhall119> Rosco2: have you considered applying for Ubuntu Membership? 17:21 <sakrecoer> greetings! 17:21 <Rosco2> We have been working with flocculant to get some manua� test cases on the QA tracker 17:21 <mhall119> as belkinsa mentioned, you've been around long enough for it, and I'm sure you can get testimonials from other members in Ubuntu Studio 17:22 <mhall119> hello sakrecoer 17:22 <czajkowski> Rosco2: excellent 17:22 <belkinsa> Rosco2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership 17:22 <belkinsa> For info on the Membership. 17:22 <Rosco2> Thanks - I will look into it 17:22 <belkinsa> Not a problem. 17:22 * mhall119 sees you've also been active in gramps, I love that program 17:23 <flocculant> czajkowski: they did good with the testcases :) 17:23 <Rosco2> Gramps is what got me started 17:23 <belkinsa> Rosco2, have you and the team ran into any problems in this cycle? 17:23 <dholbach> do you have still many things you need to get done for 16.04? 17:25 <belkinsa> This cycle = 16.04. 17:25 <Rosco2> We have not been very ambitious with new features this cycle 17:26 <dholbach> So I guess a lot of package updates and stabilisation? 17:26 <Rosco2> But Set has been working to sort out artwork etc 17:26 <mhall119> Rosco2: is that from lack of time/resources, or lack of confidence? 17:26 <Rosco2> Resources I would say 17:27 <mhall119> what's the plan for increasing that? Do you need help with recruitment or promotion? 17:27 <Rosco2> There are many of us that are in the Studio team but also have other interests 17:27 <mhall119> ^^ that's a question for anyone involved in Studio, not just Rosco2 17:27 <dholbach> is the rt kernel still being used for ubuntu studio? 17:28 <Rosco2> I think low latency kernel 17:28 <dholbach> ah sorry, yes 17:28 <dholbach> and the work with the kernel team is going smoothly on that one? 17:28 <Rosco2> But zequence & ovenworks know the moost about that 17:29 <dholbach> ok -I know that it was a source of problems in the past, but it's probably no issue anymore :) 17:29 <Rosco2> Zequence wrote me that things were pretty smooth 17:29 <dholbach> excellent - let us know if we can ever help with anything 17:29 <dholbach> where do you currently get the most feedback from ubuntu studio users? 17:30 <Rosco2> Things are pretty quiet on -user 17:30 <sakrecoer> promotion would be very handy. we are putting emphasis on PR. cfhowlett has helped me with that. 17:31 <sakrecoer> the feedback is coming in from various channels. i' affraid facebook takes a big chunk of that space 17:31 <czajkowski> flocculant: excellent 17:32 <dholbach> are you happy with the feedback you've been getting in the last time? 17:32 <mhall119> sakrecoer: Facebook has the most eyeballs, so that's not surprising 17:33 <sakrecoer> i'm not ancient enough to say if it is more or less feedback. but i hear from zequence that he noted a raise in the average activity/interaction 17:34 <dholbach> ok, cool 17:34 <mhall119> our of curiousity, what do you guys use most for your regular team communication, is it IRC, emails, something else? 17:34 <hggdh> good 17:34 <sakrecoer> i would say mailing list, then irc. 17:34 <Rosco2> +1 17:35 <mhall119> cool 17:35 <dholbach> do you have anything you'd like the CC to help you with? or any questions you have for us? 17:35 <dholbach> because I have run out of questions now :-) 17:35 <Rosco2> I have nothing 17:35 <mhall119> How does your team feel about the overall direction that Ubuntu is taking and how Studio fits into that? 17:35 <sakrecoer> :) we could need a hand with promotion, especially on recruiting team-members 17:36 <dholbach> does ubuntu studio have a page on community.ubuntu.com? maybe we could add something there 17:36 <sakrecoer> it is difficult to speak for the hole team, but i think everyone involved and active is pretty happy about the project 17:36 <czajkowski> that's really good to hear 17:37 <czajkowski> but also if you do have any items we can help just let us know 17:37 <dholbach> yes, the door's always open :) 17:37 <Rosco2> Thanks 17:37 <sakrecoer> the documentation needs update in many areas. 17:37 <mhall119> sakrecoer: as for helping with promotion, we can re-share things on FB, Twittere and G+ if you let us know about them 17:37 <mhall119> "we" being dholbach and myself 17:38 <flocculant> welcome to ubuntu land :p 17:38 <flocculant> doesn't it always :) 17:38 <dholbach> and keep up the good work! :) 17:38 <mhall119> that's the one consistent trait when it comes to documentation, it always needs to be updated :) 17:38 <sakrecoer> for example, it is difficult to find a comprehensive howto, on how to pull in the ubuntustudio packages into another ubuntu flavour. 17:39 <dholbach> you could ask a question like that on ubuntu-devel@lists.u.c - I'm sure there are folks who could help you with that 17:39 <sakrecoer> details like that, that we can sort out on our own, but being few makes it complicated: hence PR on team recruiting would do miracles, i believe 17:39 <dholbach> right :) 17:39 <sakrecoer> dholbach, i will try that :) 17:39 <mhall119> sakrecoer: in the past we've had success by dedicating a specific hour or two on a specific day to being on IRC and helping new contributors get started. If people know when and where you will be, they tend to come :) 17:39 <dholbach> just give us a ping 17:39 <dholbach> thanks a lot sakrecoer and Rosco2! 17:40 <dholbach> sgclark, marcoceppi, czajkowski, mhall119, belkinsa, hggdh: any more questions from you? 17:40 <Rosco2> cheers all 17:40 <hggdh> none from me 17:40 <sgclark> none from me 17:40 <mhall119> not from me 17:40 <hggdh> Rosco2, sakrecoer: tahnk you for your work 17:41 <mhall119> thank you all and keep up the fantastic work on Ubuntu Studio 17:41 <sgclark> thanks for your work 17:41 <dholbach> :-) 17:41 <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Xubuntu team 17:41 <dholbach> hello flocculant - how are you doing? 17:41 <dholbach> anyone else from the Xubuntu team? 17:42 <flocculant> ok thanks 17:42 <dholbach> how are things in the Xubuntu team? 17:43 <flocculant> ok thanks - not much change anyway :) 17:43 <dholbach> so you're stabilising things for the LTS? 17:43 <flocculant> oh - krytarik is about but hiding ... 17:43 <flocculant> dholbach: we're trying :D 17:43 <dholbach> krytarik: welcome :) 17:43 <krytarik> Hi. :P 17:44 <flocculant> the software centre change or not change isn't helping tbh 17:44 <mhall119> flocculant: having any problems with getting things stabilized? 17:44 <dholbach> flocculant: are you in touch with the desktop team about this? 17:44 <flocculant> it would be nice to know if *you* are changing so we have something to base our decision on 17:44 <flocculant> dholbach: ochosi is - and I'm in channel following too 17:44 <mhall119> afaik the Unity desktop will be changing 17:45 <sgclark> they are changing as I understand 17:45 <flocculant> though recent discussions didn't appear too positive - so ... 17:45 <flocculant> sgclark: well yes - but if you see discussions - not quite so clear cut 17:45 <mhall119> flocculant: willcooke should be able to give you a definitive answer 17:45 <flocculant> tbh - if usc is still there - we might just still use it anyway 17:45 <mhall119> flocculant: did Xubuntu use USC previously? 17:45 <sgclark> ok, guess I missed them sorry 17:45 <dholbach> right, that makes sense 17:46 <flocculant> :) 17:46 <flocculant> sgclark: I tend to watch the channel for chat on it :) 17:46 <dholbach> if you want we can put you in touch and maybe help with organising a catchup with the desktop folks and make sure you're aware of new developments 17:46 <mhall119> the downside is that USC doesn't support the new Snappy store 17:46 <flocculant> dholbach: I think that we're talking to them anyway about it 17:46 <sgclark> sounds like a good move forward dholbach 17:46 <flocculant> s/think/know 17:47 <dholbach> flocculant: ok... if you're in touch already, that's great 17:47 <mhall119> flocculant: are they aware that the uncertainty is causing the Xubuntu team problems? 17:47 <dholbach> I just wanted to make sure that communication is at least going fine 17:47 <flocculant> the fonts-droid thing is the latest - oh god really :| thing :) 17:47 <flocculant> dholbach: yep - we're cool 17:47 <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html 17:48 <flocculant> our current position is "<ochosi> bluesabre, knome: cant we raise our concern with the LTS->LTS upgrade path? i mean if they at least keep the pkg around for another cycle that'd be great, and maintenance for a font package is zerrrro" 17:48 <dholbach> hum... isn't there a drop-in replacement for the package? 17:48 <dholbach> that's at least how I understood the discussion 17:49 <flocculant> yea and it looks rather meh to us 17:49 <flocculant> so we're in the middle of trying to decide what to do about that as well 17:49 <dholbach> ok 17:50 <mhall119> was droid-fonts used in the default Xubuntu setup? 17:50 <dholbach> it might be a good idea to follow up on the thread and point out that the replacement doesn't work so well for Xubuntu 17:50 <dholbach> just so others start looking at it too 17:50 <flocculant> yep - that's all being discussed currently - we're not likely to post anywhere pre-emptively 17:50 <flocculant> other than me telling you all :D 17:51 <dholbach> ok 17:51 <flocculant> which leaves our main problem this cycle to last ;) 17:51 <flocculant> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 17:52 <flocculant> which we've been trying to get sorted for quite some time now 17:52 <dholbach> so slangasek is not authoritative enough? or what's the problem? 17:53 <dholbach> or are there different opinions in the CD team about it? 17:53 <mhall119> flocculant: is there some mis-communication going on here? Maybe having a video chat with slangasek and xnox would help clear things up 17:53 <dholbach> or bring it up with the TB 17:53 <flocculant> dholbach: you need to check the IRC log in the last comment 17:53 <flocculant> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/06/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t17:23 17:53 <dholbach> flocculant: right... I didn't click on it as I wasn't sure if I was expected to read 6892048697426 lines of irc log :-) 17:53 <flocculant> ha ha ha 17:54 <flocculant> *my* problem of course being if it lands - but lands really late - then I'll not be signing it off from QA pov 17:54 <flocculant> I think mhall119 has had some input on it at some point 17:55 <mhall119> I brought it back up with slangasek and team, but I don't have any input on it myself 17:55 <xnox> ochosi, flocculant - removing a font, and using a different makes a zilch of a difference for LTS->LTS upgrade. 17:55 <flocculant> I don't actually expect anything to get done by you all now ofc - you just want to know what's going on 17:55 <xnox> thus i don't see what the problem is. 17:55 <dholbach> I would send a mail to the TB asking them to take a look at it and to help landing it soon. 17:55 <mhall119> but I think this might just be miscommunication that could be cleared up with a real-time chat like a hangout 17:56 <flocculant> dholbach: anyway - I'm pushed for time - those are our issues currently - everything else is ticking over nicely 17:56 <mhall119> slangasek: xnox: Would you be up for a hangout with knome or others in Xubuntu dev to clear this up? 17:56 <dholbach> thanks a lot for going into detail 17:56 <slangasek> mhall119: no, that doesn't help anything 17:56 <slangasek> there are MPs that need reviewing 17:56 <flocculant> xnox: afaik - the issue is the drop-in replacement doesn't look nice :) but I'm not 'arty' by any means 17:57 <xnox> ochosi, flocculant, dholbach - two people, slangasek and myself indicated to use "desktop" for small, and "dvd" for big images. in a clear manner, with no code to follow. 17:57 <mhall119> slangasek: reviewed by whom? 17:57 <slangasek> mhall119: the ubuntu-cdimage team (which includes myself and infinity) 17:57 <xnox> slangasek, your comment https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167/comments/691226 is not fixed. 17:57 <mhall119> slangasek: ok, can those get a priority bump so that the Xubuntu team has time to get their QA stuff done for the LTS release? 17:58 <flocculant> xnox: I just brought it up for the CC - I've not the technical knowhow nor time to get into that now 17:58 <slangasek> xnox: there were subsequent IRC discussions that you were not a part of 17:58 <slangasek> xnox: and other MPs have been raised 17:58 <flocculant> slangasek: that being the MATE thing? 17:58 <flocculant> guessing ... 17:58 <xnox> flocculant, i think said font will drop to universe and (will rot there) =) you are free to take any artistic direction you want, and we have a tonne of packages in ubuntu, that have been removed in debian. 17:58 * ogra_ thought he saw one that renamed it to xubuntu-base ... or is that unrelated ? 17:58 <slangasek> flocculant: yes 17:59 <xnox> flocculant, so if you want to keep using it.... keep using it. it's just a font. 17:59 <flocculant> slangasek: ta :) 17:59 <mhall119> flocculant: slangasek: ok, if you guys can keep this progressing that would be great, otherwise please bring the CC back into the discussion if things become blocked or stall 17:59 <xnox> slangasek, ah, ok. 17:59 <flocculant> anyway - really got to go now - kids landing and apparently starving :) 17:59 <flocculant> thanks dholbach et al 17:59 <dholbach> thanks flocculant for the quick update 17:59 <mhall119> thank you flocculant 17:59 <flocculant> welcome :) 18:00 <dholbach> please let us know if we can help 18:00 <flocculant> yep - we know where you are :) 18:00 <dholbach> thanks! :) 18:00 <dholbach> #topic Any other business 18:00 <dholbach> Does anyone have any other business? 18:00 <mhall119> not I 18:00 <hggdh> nope 18:00 <sgclark> I have nothing at this time 18:01 <dholbach> ok cool - I have nothing to add either 18:01 <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone and have great rest of your day! :-) 18:01 <dholbach> #endmeeting