16:02 <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team 16:02 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 16 16:02:18 2015 UTC. The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:02 <meetingology> 16:02 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 16:02 <beisner> o/ 16:02 <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting 16:02 * arosales doesn't see any action items from the previous meeting 16:02 <arosales> #topic Vivid Development 16:03 <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule 16:03 <arosales> #info Alpha 1 coming up June 25 16:03 <coreycb> o/ 16:03 <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs 16:04 <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server 16:04 * arosales trying to pull up http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server . . . 16:04 <arosales> is that URL working for others? 16:04 <teward> arosales: site death perhaps, the white page of death 16:04 <teward> oh wait 16:05 <rharper> \o 16:05 <teward> nope 16:05 <teward> wpod, still, arosales 16:05 <teward> i think it's down 16:05 <arosales> just whit page for me 16:05 <caribou> wpod for me 16:05 <arosales> *white 16:05 <beisner> :-/ 0k file 16:05 <teward> arosales: codenamed: "White Page Of Death" - WPOD 16:05 <teward> contact canonical sysadmins for fixing? 16:05 <rharper> beisner: indeed 16:05 <arosales> teward, ack, WPOD it seems 16:05 <arosales> rharper, can you take that action? 16:06 <rharper> arosales: sure 16:06 <arosales> #action rharper to follow up with canonical sysadmins on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server WPOD 16:06 * meetingology rharper to follow up with canonical sysadmins on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server WPOD 16:06 <arosales> thanks rharper 16:06 <arosales> any bugs folks would like to discuss before moving on 16:07 <arosales> I'll take it folks are ready for BPs then 16:07 <arosales> . . . 16:07 <arosales> #subtopic Blueprints 16:07 <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/group/topic-w-server.html 16:07 <arosales> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/group/topic-w-server.html not working for me either today 16:08 <teward> arosales: confirmed, 404. 16:08 <arosales> we have http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/group/topic-w-openstack.html 16:08 <arosales> but not server 16:08 <arosales> rharper, smoser: do you guys have a topic BP? 16:09 <smoser> checking. i dont think we probably do. 16:10 <smoser> or i do not think we do 16:10 <matsubara> arosales, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/canonical-server.html and http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/ubuntu-server.html might give a better overview of server BPs 16:10 <matsubara> since the topic url is not working... 16:11 <arosales> matsubara, ok, do folks agree here we should update the meeting commands to these links? 16:11 * matsubara doesn't really know what's more appropriate in this case 16:11 <arosales> #action smoser update Topic blueprint URLs, if necessary 16:11 * meetingology smoser update Topic blueprint URLs, if necessary 16:12 <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/canonical-server.html 16:12 <arosales> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-w-openstack-liberty progressing 16:13 <arosales> sorry 16:13 <arosales> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-w-openstack-liberty 16:13 <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-w/ubuntu-server.html 16:13 <arosales> same blueprint there 16:14 <arosales> and as said before servercloud-w-openstack-liberty is progressing 16:14 <arosales> but seems there should be some other BPs there . . . 16:14 <arosales> smoser, jamespage need to follow up if the correct BPs are linked ^ 16:15 <arosales> perhaps because https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-w-server is blank atm ? 16:15 <arosales> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-w-server 16:15 <arosales> in any case an action item is made to follow up. 16:16 <arosales> Ping here if folks have any BPs items they would like to surface 16:16 <arosales> . . . 16:16 <arosales> moving on 16:16 <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou) 16:16 <caribou> nothing major to me; mostly done with rsyslog merge 16:16 <arosales> caribou, thanks for the update 16:16 <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara) 16:16 <matsubara> arosales, nothing new to report 16:17 <arosales> matsubara, ok, thanks 16:17 <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges) 16:17 <smb> I have nothing today if nobody else has anything. 16:17 <arosales> any questions for smb (kernel)? 16:17 <arosales> . . . 16:17 <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events 16:18 <arosales> If any folks are interested in Spark. I am currently at Spark Summit and we'll be hosting an even tonight 16:18 <arosales> https://insights.ubuntu.com/event/big-data-mine-and-mingle/ 16:18 <arosales> sorry 16:18 <arosales> #link https://insights.ubuntu.com/event/big-data-mine-and-mingle/ 16:18 <arosales> any others? 16:18 <arosales> . . . 16:18 <arosales> #topic Open Discussion 16:18 <arosales> other items? 16:18 <teward> i think there's a missing item 16:19 <teward> which agenda page are you using, the ServerTeam/Meeting one? 16:19 <arosales> teward, using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting/IRCCommands 16:19 <arosales> linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting 16:19 <arosales> teward, was there another topic? 16:19 <teward> arosales: there's an item on the Agenda page added by me, and I'd like Server Team input on the course of action 16:19 <teward> arosales: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting - NGINX in Ubuntu: Course of Action discussion (teward) 16:20 <teward> popped on in the middle of last week 16:20 <arosales> teward, ahh, sorry for missing that 16:20 <teward> perhaps it was missed? 16:20 <teward> no problem :) 16:20 <arosales> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2015-June/007072.html 16:21 <teward> Previously, up until now, Debian was using a Stable branch of the NGINX web server's code as the package base. 16:21 <teward> Recently, based on what they do with Debian release times as far as I can gather, they're now using an NGINX Mainline branch, which is their feature-development branch. 16:22 <teward> Further questions on that branch can be directed to LinuxJedi who is here currently, and is a Senior Developer Advocate for the nginx upstream people 16:22 <LinuxJedi> o/ 16:22 <teward> Currently, as of 15.04, we are using the Stable branch of NGINX in Ubuntu, which is mirroring Debian's choice of package versions. However, following them will have Wily get 1.9.1 currently, which will likely remain that way through next LTS 16:23 <teward> While both versions are 'stable' enough to be used in production environments, and indeed I do have a couple Mainline nginx versions running in production, that is a changing development branch, replete with new features. 16:23 <teward> 1.8.x is the NGINX Stable branch, which receives critical bug fixes and security updates but forgoes the additional features. 16:24 <hallyn> you expect a stable branch of the current devel branch by 16.02 ? 16:24 <teward> hallyn: from what LinuxJedi has told me, such release (1.10.x) will be very near or after FinalFreeze or release date for LTS 16:24 <hallyn> that's unfortunate :) 16:25 <LinuxJedi> but there shouldn't be much change from 1.9.x to 1.10.0 at that stage 16:25 <teward> they release the 'mainline' as stable in April, and judging by the last release date, April 21, on or near that date would put us really close to release date 16:25 <hallyn> but if we could get a 1.10.alpha1 that might be good. i assume the stable releases will be supported much longer than devel 16:25 <hallyn> i think it's worth asking the release time for best option there 16:26 <teward> To finish my initial thought stream: I'd like the Server Team to provide some guidance for Wily, as to how we proceed 16:26 <hallyn> hm, no rbasak today 16:26 <teward> A merge of 1.9.1 wouldn't take too long. Merging in changes from Debian's packaging and merging that with 1.8.x is doable by myself, but would diverge from the standard process of getting packaging from Debian 16:27 <hallyn> you already emailed ubntu-server about this right? 16:27 <teward> hallyn: indeed. I did ask Seth Arnold (sarnold) for his opinions, he responded to the email thread on the server mailing list 16:27 <smoser> teward, well, the questions hallyn asked apply for wily as well as x (16.04) 16:27 <hallyn> right, 16:27 <teward> hallyn: the email link that arosales posted. 16:27 <teward> smoser: indeed. 16:27 <teward> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2015-June/007072.html 16:27 <smoser> we dont want to move forward in wily if we would then have to move back. 16:27 <hallyn> i'd follow sarnold's guidance :) 16:27 <hallyn> teward: how long do you expect 1.9 to be supported? 16:27 <LinuxJedi> it is worth noting that useful LTS features such as HTTP/2 will be in 1.10 16:27 <teward> hallyn: doing so would place us on 1.9.x. 16:28 <teward> hallyn: until 1.10.x release in April, I believe. LinuxJedi: that's the upstream support period, if I'm not mistaken? 16:28 <LinuxJedi> correct 16:28 <hallyn> teward: i'm wondering whehter we can put things in place now to take 1.9 now, and have process ready to take 1.10 as an exceptional sru in 16.05 16:28 <hallyn> or, again, 16:29 <hallyn> ask upstream for a alpha or beta release in feb or march of 2016 16:29 <smoser> hallyn is right. this is not significantly different then what we do for openstack. 16:29 <smoser> or at least possibly not much different 16:29 <rharper> if 1.9.x isn't far apart from 1.10.0, why wouldn't 1.9 have the http2 and other features we'd want in the LTS? 16:29 <LinuxJedi> it will 16:29 <hallyn> not htat we want it to become the norm :) but in 2019 we'll likely be wishing we'd done it 16:30 <hallyn> rharper: it's just that 1.9 likely won't be supported for 5 years upstream, so a stable would be nicer for 16.04 16:30 <teward> rharper: provided Debian has it uploaded and available, I'd rather *not* have to do manual source version merges by hand, although I do so for the PPAs already provided under ~nginx on Launchpad 16:30 <LinuxJedi> 1.9.x is mainline where new features are added. 1.10.0 will be the end release of the 1.9.x series 16:30 <rharper> right, the support from upstream 16:30 <rharper> teward: and the package maint; 16:31 <hallyn> teward: ok, let's see if rbasak is willing to take this to release team, if not i'll volunteer ,t ocome up with options 16:31 <LinuxJedi> we have odd numbers for mainline and even numbers for stable. And only one odd and one even maintained at any time (so currently 1.8 and 1.9 are maintained) 16:31 <hallyn> ok how long will 1.10 be supported? 16:31 <LinuxJedi> until 1.12 16:31 <hallyn> which is when 16:31 <teward> hallyn: ack 16:31 <teward> hallyn: april 2017 16:31 <hallyn> nyears 16:31 <hallyn> hm 16:31 <LinuxJedi> 1 year 16:31 <hallyn> so tha'ts not much of an extra cushion 16:32 <hallyn> so we really want an MRE here or something 16:32 <teward> hallyn: MRE was considered in the past but we have a weird exception: 16:32 <teward> nginx-core is in main, the other flavors are in Universe, because of third party modules 16:32 <teward> and security team suggestions/recommendations during the MIR 16:32 <teward> (back for 14.04) 16:32 <hallyn> ok i'll need to go read the MIR comments then 16:33 <hallyn> (assuming rbasak doesn't handle it :) 16:33 <teward> hallyn: i think the MRE discussion wasn't on the MIR, and was handled after the fact 16:33 <hallyn> teward: do you have links? can you send them in a reply to sarnold's email? 16:33 <hallyn> (bc i haven't got the thread to reply to) 16:33 <teward> hallyn: to the discussions? I could try and find the irclogs links, but I think my discussions with rbasak on that were in private 16:33 <hallyn> oh, ok 16:33 <hallyn> np 16:34 <teward> the MIR was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1262710 16:34 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1262710 in nginx (Ubuntu) "[MIR] nginx" [Undecided,Fix released] 16:34 <hallyn> arosales: can you post an action for me to follow up (email rbasak etc)? 16:34 <arosales> #action hallyn to see if rbasak is willing to take this (nginx version in 15.10 and looking to 16.04) to release team, if not hallyn to volunteer, to come up with options 16:34 * meetingology hallyn to see if rbasak is willing to take this (nginx version in 15.10 and looking to 16.04) to release team, if not hallyn to volunteer, to come up with options 16:34 <hallyn> thx 16:34 <arosales> thanks hallyn 16:34 <smoser> thank you teward 16:34 <teward> you're welcome, and thank you all for your time on this :) 16:34 <arosales> teward, and LinuxJedi thanks for bringing up this topic 16:35 <LinuxJedi> no problem 16:35 <arosales> any other items to discuss? 16:35 <teward> arosales: you're welcome, thank you to the Server Team for taking the time to discuss. 16:35 <arosales> teward, np thats what this meeting is for. Sorry for missing your agenda item :-/ 16:35 <teward> arosales: mistakes happen, no worries :0 16:35 <teward> :) * 16:36 <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair 16:36 <arosales> #info chair = hallyn per the list 16:36 <hallyn> woohoo 16:36 <arosales> #info NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2015-06-23 at 1600 UTC 16:36 <arosales> thanks everyone 16:36 <arosales> #endmeeting