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17:01 <czajkowski> aloha
17:01 <cprofitt> hello all
17:02 <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Kubuntu Council
17:02 <dholbach> #chair pleia2 czajkowski cprofitt
17:02 <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach pleia2
17:02 <dholbach> hey Riddell - how are you doing? did you bring anyone else from the Kubuntu Council? :)
17:02 <Riddell> Mamarok is here from kubuntu council and ahoneybun a useful kubuntu person is here
17:02 <dholbach> brilliant
17:03 <Riddell> and here's sgclark another useful kubuntu person
17:03 <dholbach> how are thing going? how are the preparations for 15.04 going?
17:03 <Riddell> 15.04 is going to rock
17:03 <sgclark> hi all
17:03 <Riddell> it's out 10th anniversary and the headlines are going wild
17:03 <pleia2> glad to hear it :)
17:03 <pleia2> welcome sgclark
17:03 <Riddell> I think we may crash twitter when we launch
17:03 <dholbach> :-))
17:03 <pleia2> Riddell: hehe
17:03 <Riddell> first distro with Plasma 5, it's going to be the year of the linux desktop at last
17:04 <dholbach> is the kubuntu testing squad happy with the the new release too? :)
17:05 <Riddell> they seem to be, some issues with systemd but surisingly few given the change
17:05 <dholbach> yeah... I was quite surprised too how smooth the transition went
17:06 <dholbach> somebody mentioned daily image builds being broken for a day or something
17:06 <Riddell> they're broken on virtualbox
17:06 <Riddell> which is an issue in X that I see in ubuntu unity too
17:06 * mhall119 is here now
17:06 <dholbach> #chair mhall119
17:06 <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach mhall119 pleia2
17:07 <dholbach> Riddell, do you know if a bug is open for it?
17:07 <mhall119> Riddell: congrats on 10 years of Kubuntu, btw, that's an amazing milesgtone
17:07 <Riddell> we have bug 1432343, was going to ask pitti if there was another one
17:07 <ubottu> bug 1432343 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Vivid Daily 20150315: Live cd does not boot in VirtualBox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432343
17:08 <dholbach> Riddell, you could try to ping LocutusOfBorg1 about it - he's maintaining virtualbox in debian and ubuntu (if anything needs to be done there)...
17:08 <dholbach> ah ok
17:08 <dholbach> looks like you're well covered there :)
17:09 <mhall119> Riddell: how have things gone coordinating Qt releases in 15.04 between KDE's and Unity's needs?
17:10 <Riddell> mhall119: that seems to have gone well, Mirv and mitya57 are on #k-d and we chat about updates, they're pleasingly responsive
17:10 <mhall119> great
17:11 <mhall119> how about Wayland integration, is Plasma 5 going to use it?
17:11 <Riddell> it will but probably not for the next LTS
17:12 <dholbach> do you have a special build for it or something like that for testers or curious folks?
17:12 <Riddell> no it's still in development upstream, nothing very usable yet
17:12 <Riddell> but we do have kci
17:12 <Riddell> kubuntu continuous integration
17:12 <Riddell> that builds packages every day
17:12 <Riddell> and weekly ISOs from it
17:12 <dholbach> oh nice... what happens in kci?
17:12 <Riddell> so Plasma and other KDE developers can always test the latest and greatest
17:12 <dholbach> what do you build and/or test there?
17:13 <shadeslayer> dholbach: more or less all of Plasma/ KF5 and some apps
17:13 <shadeslayer> dholbach: all of these projects are built http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/data/projects.json
17:13 <shadeslayer> ( except the custom_ci bits )
17:13 <Riddell> we are also sharing out packaging repositories with Debian now
17:13 <dholbach> does any gatekeeping happening there as well?
17:13 <Riddell> so much less duplicate work all around
17:14 <dholbach> like "build it, run tests, if they fail, your change won't get in"?
17:14 <Riddell> gatekeeping?
17:14 <shadeslayer> dholbach: some what, sitter is working on keeping a eye and fixes things as they break
17:14 <dholbach> ok, so Sitter is the gatekeeper, I see :)
17:14 <shadeslayer> I still need to write some code to run autotests separately ( only in build tests are run at the moment )
17:15 <shadeslayer> more or less :P
17:15 <dholbach> how do you feel Kubuntu is doing community wise? did you approve some new members recently?
17:15 <shadeslayer> we are in #kubuntu-ci if you want to look at colored jenkins output :P
17:16 <dholbach> shadeslayer, I'm usually happy enough if I *don't* get mail or any notification of jenkins :-P
17:16 <shadeslayer> ;)
17:17 <Riddell> the community is doing ok, we had 1 new member this year and plenty of people hang around.  it's not as active as it used to be and is probably overly dependent on me
17:17 <dholbach> but yeah, I think it's absolutely fantastic that you're doing a lot in the CI world - it pays off so quickly
17:17 <shadeslayer> I don't think not having new people is a bad sign per se, I've had people IM me and send me messages on Forums saying that they love Kubuntu
17:18 <dholbach> Riddell, do you feel there are a lot of things which only you can do in the project?
17:18 <shadeslayer> so, the developer community is most certainly becoming a bit stale :(
17:19 <Riddell> oh sure the user community are lovely and not a day goes by when I don't get people excited about 15.04
17:19 <dholbach> shadeslayer, sure... the people who actually decide to get involved, read the docs and take the plunge are very much the tip of the iceberg of all *ubuntu lovers
17:19 <shadeslayer> *nod*
17:19 <Riddell> I don't think there's anything only I can do, it's just a question of hours
17:19 <mhall119> where do you think we can reach new potential Kubuntu developers? From the rest of the Ubuntu community, or from upstream KDE community?
17:20 <Riddell> kubuntu users probably
17:20 <shadeslayer> I agree
17:21 <mhall119> are there any initiatives to convert users into developers/contributors?
17:21 <Riddell> only that I grab people whenever they show interest and offer them tutorial and handholding
17:22 <mhall119> So the Ubuntu Online Summit is coming up soon, I know Kubuntu hasn't used it much for planning, but it might be a good time and place to host instructional sessions for this purpose
17:22 <mhall119> kind of a "How to become a Kubuntu Developer"
17:23 <Riddell> possibly, I always find UOS hard to motivate myself by, we have real life meetings which work an aweful lot better
17:23 * mhall119 is going to be looking for some Kubuntu members to be track leads again too
17:23 <sgclark> heh
17:23 <sgclark> I failed miserably at that
17:23 <mhall119> Riddell: understood, the Kubuntu sessions in the last two UOSes seemed very popular though
17:24 <mhall119> sgclark: I'm going to try and recruit you again, so I wouldn't say that :)
17:24 <dholbach> since it's after the release, you could probably do a feedback or Q&A round
17:24 <sgclark> lol
17:24 <Riddell> ah here's ovidiu-florin, he's working on a nice new website for us
17:24 <pleia2> cool
17:24 <ovidiu-florin> hello
17:25 <mhall119> hey ovidiu-florin
17:25 * ovidiu-florin was hoping to stay unnoticed
17:25 <dholbach> that's brilliant - it's really nice to get to know the entire team :-))
17:26 <dholbach> mhall119, maybe we could invite the Kubuntu team to one of the next Community Q&A sessions?
17:26 <ovidiu-florin> what are we talking about?
17:26 <mhall119> +1
17:26 <dholbach> cool :)
17:26 <pleia2> ovidiu-florin: user community participation in kubuntu, among other things :)
17:26 <dholbach> ovidiu-florin, regarding the Q&A session or in general?
17:27 <shadeslayer> dholbach: that would be cool indeed
17:27 * mhall119 just heard shadeslayer volunteer
17:27 <dholbach> I'd love to see a demo of what's new in kubuntu land
17:27 <shadeslayer> mhall119: I'm volunteering me and Riddell xD
17:27 <Mamarok> sorry, I had to finish some urgent work, but am reading now
17:27 * mhall119 just heard Riddell voluntold
17:27 <dholbach> that might also be a good opportunity to recruit new kubuntu folks :)
17:27 <ovidiu-florin> dholbach: in general
17:28 <ovidiu-florin> dholbach: both actually
17:28 <dholbach> ovidiu-florin, this meeting is an opportunity for the Kubuntu Council and Community Council to catch up
17:28 <dholbach> ovidiu-florin, we do this once a cycle to see how things are going
17:28 <dholbach> the Q&A session mhall119 and I mentioned happens once a week on http://ubuntuonair.com/
17:28 <dholbach> usually we have lots of people from ubuntu social media channels who ask all kinds of questions
17:29 <dholbach> and it's nice to have guests there who can show off something
17:29 <dholbach> or answer questions in their area of expertise
17:29 <shadeslayer> I have to go for spanish class, hasta luego :)
17:29 <dholbach> shadeslayer, enjoy! :)
17:30 <Mamarok> :)
17:30 * Mamarok wonders why he doesn't learn Catalan instead...
17:30 <dholbach> I'll drop Riddell and shadeslayer a mail about the Q&A and we can have a look at the calendar together
17:30 <dholbach> does anyone have any more questions?
17:31 * Riddell does
17:31 <dholbach> shoot
17:31 <ovidiu-florin> with a 9 mm
17:31 <Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy still says "Otherwise you... will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries." this is untrue and disrespectful to the copyright owners, who are Ubuntu's upstream communities
17:31 <Riddell> I have been hilighting this for over a year and the community council has done nothing about it. It is hurting Kubuntu development. The communitiy council needs to make a firm statement that this is untrue and that in the spirit of free software they welcome derivatives.
17:32 <mhall119> we certainly haven't done nothing
17:32 <mhall119> in fact, it's consumed quite a bit of our time and efforts over the same year
17:32 <czajkowski> Riddell: to be clear we've raised it to canonical legal
17:32 * ovidiu-florin has a question as well
17:32 <Riddell> czajkowski: that doesn't seem to be getting anywhere, time to just take a stand
17:32 <dholbach> Where do you see Kubuntu development hurt?
17:32 <mhall119> Riddell: can you go into detail about how it is hurting Kubuntu development?
17:33 <czajkowski> and from there it;s kinda hit a wall  we are talking to rickspencer in the coming weeks and will ask for it to be pushed again
17:33 <Riddell> dholbach: shadeslayer used to be working full time on Kubuntu, now he's not
17:33 <Riddell> czajkowski: best stop giving in to their stalling and just make a statement
17:33 <czajkowski> Riddell: it's not about taking a stand , it's about getting it corrected/ cleared up for all parties.
17:33 <dholbach> Riddell, I'm not sure I understand
17:33 <czajkowski> Riddell: that's not how the CC operates.
17:33 <dholbach> Riddell, is this an immediate effect of Ubuntu trademarks?
17:34 <Riddell> dholbach: is what?
17:34 <mhall119> shadeslayer: has the trademark/ip question caused you problems with your employment?
17:34 <czajkowski> Riddell: can you give us an example where this has stopped someone from contributing to Kubuntu.
17:34 <dholbach> Riddell, shadeslayer working fulltime on Kubuntu
17:34 <Riddell> shadeslayer has gone
17:34 <dholbach> I'm not quite sure I follow
17:34 <Mamarok> he just left for his Spanish lesson
17:34 <Riddell> czajkowski: I refer the honourable lady to the answer I gave some moments ago
17:34 <Riddell> dholbach: what don't you follow?
17:34 <mhall119> ok, we can follow up with him via email
17:34 <Riddell> why not just deal with the problem rather than the symptoms?
17:35 <Mamarok> why taking this to mail, can't this be cleared here? Riddell can exmplain
17:35 <mhall119> Riddell: the CC has limited ability to "just deal with the problem"
17:35 * ogra_ always thought this stanza only refers to out of archive builds ... which kubuntu definitely doesnt fall under
17:35 <dholbach> Riddell, you said the policy hurts kubuntu development, then you mention Rohan not working on Kubuntu fulltime any more - I was just wondering if the two were connected
17:35 <Riddell> mhall119: make a public statement saying it is untrue and irrelevent
17:35 <mhall119> Mamarok: Riddell: is shadeslayer okay with you going into detail about his employment situation?
17:35 <Riddell> dholbach: yes they are
17:36 <dholbach> ok, I'm afraid I don't understand
17:36 <mhall119> Riddell: the CC is not qualified to make legal statements like that, and even if we were they would have no legal authority as we do not own the IP in question
17:36 <Riddell> mhall119: that's irrelevent.  canonical doesn't own the copyrights either. that's the whole point.
17:36 <Riddell> dholbach: what don't you understand?
17:36 <dholbach> the connections
17:36 <dholbach> the connection
17:37 <mhall119> Riddell: they are the ones making the claim, so again the CC doesn't have any standing to make claims one way or the other
17:37 <Riddell> dholbach: blue systems is worried that canonical will want to restrict derivates and so shadeslayer got moved to other tasks
17:37 <mhall119> Riddell: has Blue Systems contacted Canonical about this?
17:37 <Riddell> mhall119: yes it does, it is the ubuntu council, it can make a claim on ubuntu's behalf
17:37 <dholbach> where are derivatives restricted?
17:37 <elfy> sorry - was late getting away - hi Kubuntu people
17:37 <dholbach> we all live in the same archive
17:37 <dholbach> #chair elfy
17:37 <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2
17:37 <mhall119> IIRC, Mint was given a very favorable agreement to clear this up
17:37 <czajkowski> Riddell: the CC can't control what tasks shadeslayer is moved onto.
17:38 <Riddell> dholbach: 17:31 < Riddell> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy still says "Otherwise you... will need to recompile the source code to create your own binaries." this is untrue and  disrespectful to the copyright owners, who are Ubuntu's upstream communities
17:38 <Riddell> czajkowski: no but it can address the symptoms
17:38 <Riddell> mhall119: mint did not have to make an agreement at all
17:38 <dholbach> right, I read that the first time - I might need more detail to understand the connection between all of this
17:38 <czajkowski> Riddell: nobody outside of their own employment can deal with that tbh let alone the CC
17:39 <Riddell> dholbach: if canonical claims the packages in the archive are not infact free software and are restricted in use then people will not want to work with them
17:39 <Riddell> czajkowski: you could deal with the reasons for it
17:40 <Riddell> I'm astonished that the CC doesn't understand the basics of free software or how it can be harmed by claims that our software is not Free
17:40 <dholbach> they are free software, no doubt about that - IANAL, but all Canonical asks for is a conversation, if you intend to use the Ubuntu trademark commercially and ship Ubuntu in a modified sense
17:40 <pleia2> Riddell: you're being really unfair to us (and I think you know that)
17:40 <mhall119> Riddell: the CC has been dealing with is, and are continuing to do so. If you are okay with us doing what we feel is best for Ubuntu we will keep doing that. But it means you'll have to accept what we end us doing.
17:40 <dholbach> but as Kubuntu is a derivative and lives in the same archive.......... where's the problem?
17:41 <pleia2> we've worked for over a year on this, more than any other topic, but our influence over Canonical is limited
17:41 <czajkowski> Riddell: we have spent a lot of time on this and spent time raising this to the legal dept in canonical
17:41 <dholbach> Ubuntu is free software
17:41 <Laney> what if Blue Systems wants to ship a modified version of Kubuntu?
17:41 <Riddell> dholbach: kubuntu is not a derivative.  we do care about our derivatives and this harms them.
17:41 <Riddell> pleia2: so make a public statement that it is untrue
17:41 <Laney> or if $random_person does for that matter
17:41 <dholbach> Riddell, sorry, a flavour then
17:41 <Laney> this clause says that they have to recompile it all
17:42 <Riddell> czajkowski: so time to give up on the canonical legal dept, they have been stalling for a year, enough already
17:42 <Riddell> Laney: yes.  that is not true and it is dangerous.
17:42 <mhall119> Laney: or work within the archives as Kubuntudoes
17:42 <czajkowski> Riddell: you keep asking us to make a statement and we've already said we wont do that not until we hear from Canonical leagal on the matter
17:42 <Riddell> czajkowski: ok, see you in another year then.
17:42 <Riddell> mhall119: or not.  it's their choice.  that's free software.
17:43 <czajkowski> Riddell: you're really making this harder than needs be, you'd swear the CC sit around doing nothing
17:43 <czajkowski> we've put a lot of effort into this
17:43 <czajkowski> and yes it hasn't been easy
17:43 <Riddell> czajkowski: what has changed in the last year?
17:43 <czajkowski> nor have we gotten to the bottom of it yet
17:43 <czajkowski> but we are at least trying
17:43 <mhall119> Riddell: do you want the CC do handle this, or do you want the CC to just come to a specific conclusion that you've already come to?
17:44 <Mamarok> mayber it's the fact that we got no feedback on it so far, and the legal departement obviously doesn't want to do anything about it
17:44 <Riddell> mhall119: I want the CC to give up on canonical legal who are clearly not interested in fixing it and make a statement that it is untrue.
17:44 * ovidiu-florin has a question as well, please don't forget
17:44 <mhall119> Riddell: and if the CC doesn't agree with that statement?
17:44 <cprofitt> Riddell: In order to make a public statement on a legal matter the CC would have to have a legal expert familiar with international law and the laws of several countries. I do not feel qualified to make any such public statement. I also would like to say that public thrashing about on the topic does not help the situation either.
17:44 <Riddell> cprofitt: that's just making excuses
17:45 <Mamarok> cprofitt: doesn't affect international law, it affects the Free Software licenses IMHO, but IANAL
17:45 <Riddell> mhall119: than make one you do agree on, but don't let someone claim Ubuntu is not Free software
17:45 <Riddell> anyway this is going nowhere again, let's move on
17:45 <mhall119> Mamarok: how that license is applied depends to a large extent on the law in the place it is tried
17:46 <cprofitt> Riddell: I do not see it as an excuse Riddell, but I would like to ask you to be more respectful of the people trying to sort through the issue.
17:46 <dholbach> This is a trademarks/IP issue and you know that Canonical has to be protective of the trademarks - that the success of Ubuntu and Canonical are connected. Kubuntu has lots of freedoms, like everyone else who works in the archive. When modified versions of *Ubuntu are still called *Ubuntu, that can be a problem. It'll be hard to get a "carte blanche" in this area.
17:46 <dholbach> Or are we talking about a different issue?
17:47 <Riddell> dholbach: it's a copyright issue
17:47 <cprofitt> We are trying to do what is right through the channels we have. Just because I have not gotten a timely response I will not make statements I can not make in good faith.
17:47 <Riddell> cprofitt: ok, see you next year.
17:47 <mhall119> Riddell: if Blue Systems or shadeslayer have been specifically impacted by this issue, I would encourage them to talk directly to the CC also so that we can have that additional information to take to Canonical legal
17:47 <elfy> I think that we should move on and see what ovidiu-florin has - we've also got the Membership Board
17:47 <dholbach> right
17:47 <cprofitt> elfy: I agree
17:48 * ovidiu-florin is affraid to ask
17:48 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: don't be :)
17:48 <ovidiu-florin> can I ask here/now about the Ubuntu community fund?
17:48 <cprofitt> Riddell: Thanks for your understanding and patience.
17:48 <dholbach> ovidiu-florin, what's your question?
17:48 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: you can, but we are scheduling a meeting to get more information from Canonical about it, so we may not be able to answer everything today
17:49 <elfy> ovidiu-florin: we're actually looking into that currently - we have a meeting later
17:49 <ovidiu-florin> I'm not asking about aproval for my request
17:49 <ovidiu-florin> I want to ask abouot an issue that I understand from Riddell that there's a topic somewhere about this
17:49 <dholbach> can you be more specific?
17:50 * ovidiu-florin is typing
17:50 <ovidiu-florin> Why can't we apply for funds for expences that we already had? For the many cases when we can't forsee what expenses we will have?
17:50 <cprofitt> ovidiu-florin: there is a topic that Riddell has raised. I am not sure we can call it an issue yet, but there may be one. We are researching that and discussing with the Canonical Community team.
17:51 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: so that's more of a question for the Community Team, but I can answer it
17:51 <ovidiu-florin> You can't always predict the costs for a trip, or an event
17:51 <elfy> ovidiu-florin: that is the issue that we're currently sorting out - we'll not be able to do anything now
17:51 <dholbach> Just estimate.
17:51 <elfy> and Riddell knows that we're looking into it
17:51 <dholbach> we don't want people to be in a position where they just assume "oh, this'll be paid for"
17:52 <dholbach> and then end up having to pay because of misunderstandings or other issues
17:52 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: the primary reason is because we don't want people to be out of money if we don't approve. If somebody spends money, then asks tobe paid back, but the use wasn't a valid use, we'll have to tell them know and now they are personally hurt (financially) by it
17:52 <dholbach> it'll also help planning and budgeting
17:52 <ovidiu-florin> For example, I can make a request for the travel expenses, but bu the time they get acecpted, The price of the plane ticket may have doubled.
17:52 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: most of the time an estimate on your trip's cost is all we need
17:52 <dholbach> we've gotten much much better at responding quickly
17:52 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: and we can (and do) adjust what is paid when things like ticket prices change
17:53 <dholbach> ok... shall we move on and have a chat with the Membership Board?
17:53 <ovidiu-florin> so far I've always payed for the plane ticket myself well in advance of the event, and apply for reinbursment the same day,
17:54 <ovidiu-florin> this way avoiding to make big expences
17:54 <ovidiu-florin> in the ~ 2 weeks it takes to get aproval the ticket may grow another 100€
17:54 <ovidiu-florin> depends on the company and the destination
17:54 <ovidiu-florin> and the timeframe
17:55 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: if you apply first with a rough estimate, we can at least approve it and then either pay you before you purchase, or hold off on paying you until after, we just would like to be able to say "yes this is a valid use of this money" or "No, this isn't a valid use of this money" before people commit to it
17:55 <ovidiu-florin> IMO there are many cases when we can show the Bill, and from previous fundings, to asume they are ok
17:55 <dholbach> if we can't book flights for events well in advance, I think that's just what has to happen here :/
17:55 <czajkowski> mhall119: you did say it's like a 10 day 2 week turn around or less rught ?
17:55 <czajkowski> you meet every week and it's on the topic
17:55 <mhall119> czajkowski: typically, but not always
17:55 <cprofitt> I think we are a bit in the weeds on this particular issue. We are looking in to the specifics to make sure there is both more transparency and that it is easier for community members to make use of the funds. We have to ensure the program is also manageable from Canonical's side as well.
17:56 <mhall119> ovidiu-florin: if you said "the ticket is going to be between 1000 and 1500 euro", we can work with that
17:56 <cprofitt> It might be best to move on to the other scheduled topic though.
17:56 <mhall119> right, ovidiu-florin you can join #ubuntu-community-team or email us directly if you want
17:56 <Riddell> one more question: There seems to be no community mailing list for Ubuntu to discuss community issues.  Can we make one?
17:56 <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-community-team
17:57 <mhall119> ^^
17:57 <Riddell> dholbach: is everyone welcome and encouraged to subscribe to that?
17:57 <dholbach> ?
17:57 <popey> announced on ubuntu-devel 6 months ago. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-September/001110.html
17:57 <pleia2> of course
17:57 <dholbach> of course
17:57 <popey> -announce
17:57 <Riddell> ah hah
17:57 <Riddell> lovely
17:58 <dholbach> when did Ubuntu ever have mailing lists that didn't invite people?
17:58 <czajkowski> right moving on
17:58 <dholbach> ....
17:58 <czajkowski> as we're really out of time
17:58 <czajkowski> membership board...
17:58 <dholbach> yes, czajkowski: thanks
17:58 <PabloRubianes> Im here
17:58 <PabloRubianes> :)
17:58 <czajkowski> #topic Membership board catch up
17:58 <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: aloha :D
17:58 <PabloRubianes> Hello CC
17:58 <elfy> hi PabloRubianes
17:58 <PabloRubianes> czajkowski: hello
17:58 <dholbach> hey PabloRubianes
17:58 <dholbach> how are things?
17:59 <ahoneybun> hey PabloRubianes
17:59 <PabloRubianes> I think that some are fine
17:59 <PabloRubianes> we had no much of problems
17:59 <PabloRubianes> but
17:59 <dholbach> how is the Membership board? did we get a couple more nominations?
17:59 <PabloRubianes> we are having some issues to get people to the nominations
17:59 <dholbach> ok
17:59 <PabloRubianes> pleia2: helped us with that
17:59 <dholbach> can we all take an action to each think of somebody who could nominate themselves
18:00 <dholbach> and then twist their arms to actually nominate themselves? :)
18:00 * mhall119 goes to poke jcastro about it again
18:00 <czajkowski> mhall119: poke prod bribe you know the usual wiht jcastro :)
18:01 <mhall119> I'll just promise him a charm for something
18:01 <elfy> PabloRubianes: how many do you think are still needed? or perhaps how many do you have?
18:01 <mhall119> 14:00 < jcastro> I will do that now
18:01 <mhall119> \o/
18:02 <PabloRubianes> elfy I have to check as I believe many of us (not me) are expiring
18:02 <pleia2> I'd also like to encourage the whole CC to reach out to people they think are potential good candidates :)
18:02 <elfy> PabloRubianes: 7 expire
18:02 <pleia2> speaking from experience, it means a lot when a sitting board/council member asks someone if they'd be willing to participate in the board
18:02 <PabloRubianes> we have 6 nominies
18:02 <czajkowski> pleia2: sure
18:02 <elfy> PabloRubianes: excluding jcastro ?
18:03 <PabloRubianes> yeap
18:03 <PabloRubianes> on the mailing list we have 6
18:03 <elfy> ok
18:04 * mhall119 can confirm pleia2's statement, that's why I'm here :)
18:05 <elfy> funnily enough ...
18:05 <czajkowski> lol
18:05 <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: is there anything else we can do to help ?
18:06 <PabloRubianes> czajkowski: I think we are OK, maybe less people came to get the membership
18:06 <elfy> yea - someone mentioned that to me
18:06 <PabloRubianes> comparing to a few years ago
18:06 <pleia2> yeah, that's been a trend we've been noticing for a couple years
18:06 <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: I think people don't think they can go for it
18:06 <elfy> not sure what can be done about it
18:06 <PabloRubianes> I think community as a whole is way less activ
18:06 <dholbach> in the last time we pinged a couple of folks who applied for community funds
18:06 <czajkowski> I've chatted to a few folks who are very helpful on irc on ubuntu-uk none thought they could ge tit
18:06 <PabloRubianes> active*
18:07 <czajkowski> yet spend their day on irc helping people
18:07 <dholbach> because we felt "they've been around for ages, they should apply" :)
18:07 <pleia2> based on announcements from meetings, it doesn't seem to be getting considerably worse (based on 2 years ago, definitely worse than 5 years ago)
18:07 <czajkowski> people need to be encouraged
18:07 <czajkowski> I'd ask eveyrone to talk to people in their community, irc, forums and talk to them about memberhsip
18:07 <czajkowski> what it entails
18:07 <czajkowski> offer to help with the wiki
18:07 <czajkowski> leave a testimonial etc
18:07 <czajkowski> so they know they can do it if encouraged
18:08 <sgclark> we have been pushing for memberships in our Loco
18:08 <PabloRubianes> czajkowski: I think that before that we need to get new people to the community
18:08 <dholbach> sgclark, nice one
18:08 <dholbach> locos are usually good for that, because you can remind folks everytime you meet up :)
18:08 * mhall119 has been pleased to see many of our new app developer community seeking and gaining membership
18:08 <PabloRubianes> i think that is the issue here, not much new people
18:08 <sgclark> yep
18:09 * czajkowski pokes popey go poke the ubuntu-uk team :)
18:09 <PabloRubianes> mhall119: I recall some of them
18:09 <popey> wat?
18:09 <dholbach> we're chatting in #ubuntu-locoteams about it too now
18:11 <dholbach> ok... so we should probably chat tomorrow or some other time again and figure out together who else should be nominated :)
18:11 <czajkowski> ok
18:11 <ahoneybun> dholbach: nominated?
18:12 * mhall119 proposes a small Perl script that randomly selects Ubuntu members and places them on boards without their consent
18:12 <czajkowski> right ok anything else from membership board?
18:12 <dholbach> ahoneybun, should nominate themselves :)
18:12 <ahoneybun> dholbach: for what?
18:12 <sgclark> lol mhall119
18:12 * ahoneybun was scared to asked
18:12 <dholbach> ahoneybun, I was looking for a word like "voluntold" :)
18:12 <ahoneybun> XD
18:12 <dholbach> ahoneybun, oh sorry... we're talking about the Ubuntu Membership Board
18:12 <ahoneybun> oh ok cool
18:12 <mhall119> ahoneybun: you should apply for the Membership board
18:12 <dholbach> ahoneybun, some members are having their end of term quite soon
18:12 <dholbach> so we're looking for nominations
18:12 * genii gets a random email notifying him he's now on an Ubuntu board
18:13 * genii glares at mhall119
18:13 <PabloRubianes> ahoneybun: we are nice people, join us :P
18:13 <PabloRubianes> hehehe
18:13 <ahoneybun> mhall119: not sure if I'm up to par
18:13 * mhall119 pretty sure you are
18:13 * dholbach too :)
18:13 <ahoneybun> :)
18:13 <pleia2> ++
18:13 * mhall119 is reminded to leave a testimonial for ahayzen's membership application
18:14 <ahoneybun> wow I got 3 votes already lol
18:14 <mhall119> lol
18:14 <dholbach> mhall119, ah yes, have the link again?
18:14 <sgclark> go ahoneybun!
18:14 <ahoneybun> 4
18:14 <mhall119> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ahayzen
18:14 <dholbach> thanks mhall119
18:14 <mhall119> It's been open in a tab for days now, a silent shameful reminder that I haven't done it yet
18:14 * ahoneybun will leave a tesimonial as well
18:14 <dholbach> so... if you're interested, here's http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/03/15/ubuntu-membership-board-call-for-nominations-extended/
18:14 <dholbach> do we have anything else we need to talk about?
18:14 * mhall119 has nothing
18:15 <PabloRubianes> Thanks for your time
18:15 <dholbach> PabloRubianes, anything else from the Membership boards?
18:15 <dholbach> PabloRubianes, anything we should look into?
18:15 <PabloRubianes> and help looking of people to join!
18:15 <dholbach> mhall119, we should talk about the membership board in the next Q&A
18:15 <dholbach> :)
18:15 <PabloRubianes> dholbach: no, is ok!
18:15 <popey> +1
18:15 * dholbach hugs PabloRubianes
18:15 * ahoneybun trys to apply for membershit
18:15 <ahoneybun> *ship
18:15 <ahoneybun> darn
18:15 <elfy> lol
18:15 <pleia2> thanks PabloRubianes
18:16 <PabloRubianes> HAHAH
18:16 <czajkowski> what a typo :)
18:16 <mhall119> lol, well now you've lost it
18:16 <elfy> ok - so if there's nothing else from Membership Board?
18:16 <czajkowski> #topic AOB
18:16 <czajkowski> anything else folks
18:16 <Laney> did you get my email about voting rules?
18:16 <dholbach> haha
18:16 <elfy> Laney: yes we did
18:16 <czajkowski> Laney: we did  Scott did reply
18:17 <czajkowski> he is the man of the voting
18:17 <dholbach> yes, but I didn't get around to replying yet
18:17 <Laney> not to me
18:17 <ahoneybun> I did it again when typing the email lol
18:17 <czajkowski> lemmie go and poke him
18:17 <pleia2> czajkowski: discussion has just be in the CC so far
18:17 <Laney> it's not a secret
18:17 * mhall119 replied
18:17 <Laney> would appreciate devel-permissions being kept in the thread
18:17 <pleia2> Laney: indeed, I didn't realize we hadn't kept you in the loop, sorry
18:17 <Laney> someone should go bounce the emails
18:17 * pleia2 just noticed now
18:17 <dholbach> all right... I've got to run now
18:18 <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - thanks everyone!
18:18 <mhall119> bye dholbach
18:18 <ahoneybun> 22:00 is...
18:18 <czajkowski> #endmeeting