15:08 #startmeeting Ubuntu DMB 15:08 Meeting started Mon Mar 16 15:08:12 2015 UTC. The chair is ScottK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:08 15:08 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:08 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda 15:09 A gentle introduction for cyphermox 15:09 Not sure if I did that right. 15:09 Yeah, don't think the bot confirms #link 15:09 * stgraber waves 15:09 In any case, the agenda is light. 15:10 Anyone have anything not on the agenda? 15:11 not me 15:11 Yes 15:11 Go for it. 15:11 Need to finish Noskcaj 15:11 ...'s application 15:12 OK. Will someone volunteer to be the point person for collecting and tallying votes? 15:13 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html 15:13 then https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000822.html 15:14 I think there's still some +4/+1 confusion 15:14 So if cyphermox were to vote -1 0 or +1, what happens? 15:14 i.e. is this in doubt or not? 15:15 It's at 0 currently, so basically a casting vote by my interpretation 15:15 So where do we have the vote counting rules documented? 15:15 Nowhere 15:15 do you remember that it came up recently? 15:15 I thought the vote scheme was settled a couple years ago 15:15 essentially if cyphermox +1 -> win, else -> deffered to reapply again. 15:15 when we talked about DM upload rights 15:16 we decided then that we were voting to +1 15:16 based on an email from Mark that I found at the time 15:16 OK. Where was that documented? 15:16 OK. We ought to have it better documented where we can find it. 15:17 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-July/000999.html ← that one 15:17 IIRC 15:17 I think it was stgraber who was disagreeing 15:18 let me just mail the CC and get them to write it up somewhere 15:19 might have been, though nowadays I'd be fine with documenting that the score must be +1 or higher and that at least 50% +1 (quorum) of the DMB members voted 15:19 OK. 15:19 Well, as I recall, the DMB had a different scheme because of the care needed when granting upload rights 15:19 The reason that +4 came about, in my mind, is that this is when the application is no longer in doubt 15:20 i.e. a unanimous meeting of 4 or more DMB members can make a decision that the others can't overturn 15:20 For Kubuntu Dev, the rule is "majority of those present and at least 3". 15:20 Laney: right 15:21 OK, fine, so I don't think there is any actual disagreement 15:21 So, bottom line then is it's up to cyphermox. 15:21 cyphermox: want any context? 15:22 Hrm, I thought we had 3 abstentions 15:22 I was just looking at that 15:22 so far I'm +0, looking to see if there's something to change my mind either way 15:22 You can ask questions 15:22 if you want 15:22 I'd propose two actions: 15:23 1. Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented. 15:23 Laney: true 15:23 2. cyphermox review Noskaj application and history and determine his vote. 15:23 We ought to be able to do both those in two weeks, right? 15:23 Fine. I'll just send the email right now 15:24 Noskcaj: what specific actions did you take on the evolution-ews package I see in mitya57's list of experiences working together? 15:24 ScottK: yes 15:24 Probably not entirely fair just to spring this on him without warning. 15:25 email is fine 15:26 #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html 15:26 #action Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented. 15:26 * meetingology Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented. 15:26 Give me two minutes and you can #link it 15:27 #action cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote. 15:27 * meetingology cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote. 15:29 Anything else while we wait for Laney's link? 15:33 * Laney better mail to devel-permissions instead of d-m-b@ so there is a public link. 15:36 ScottK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html 15:37 #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html 15:37 Next chair 15:37 micahg_mobile: You're next on the list. 15:37 Also if this application fails the people who voted negatively should be ready with feedback 15:37 Ok 15:38 AOB 15:38 I guess none then. 15:38 #endmeeting