15:08 <ScottK> #startmeeting Ubuntu DMB 15:08 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 16 15:08:12 2015 UTC. The chair is ScottK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:08 <meetingology> 15:08 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 15:08 <ScottK> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda 15:09 <Laney> A gentle introduction for cyphermox 15:09 <ScottK> Not sure if I did that right. 15:09 <Laney> Yeah, don't think the bot confirms #link 15:09 * stgraber waves 15:09 <ScottK> In any case, the agenda is light. 15:10 <ScottK> Anyone have anything not on the agenda? 15:11 <cyphermox> not me 15:11 <Laney> Yes 15:11 <ScottK> Go for it. 15:11 <Laney> Need to finish Noskcaj 15:11 <Laney> ...'s application 15:12 <ScottK> OK. Will someone volunteer to be the point person for collecting and tallying votes? 15:13 <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html 15:13 <Laney> then https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000822.html 15:14 <Laney> I think there's still some +4/+1 confusion 15:14 <ScottK> So if cyphermox were to vote -1 0 or +1, what happens? 15:14 <Laney> i.e. is this in doubt or not? 15:15 <Laney> It's at 0 currently, so basically a casting vote by my interpretation 15:15 <ScottK> So where do we have the vote counting rules documented? 15:15 <Laney> Nowhere 15:15 <Laney> do you remember that it came up recently? 15:15 <micahg_mobile> I thought the vote scheme was settled a couple years ago 15:15 <xnox> essentially if cyphermox +1 -> win, else -> deffered to reapply again. 15:15 <Laney> when we talked about DM upload rights 15:16 <Laney> we decided then that we were voting to +1 15:16 <Laney> based on an email from Mark that I found at the time 15:16 <ScottK> OK. Where was that documented? 15:16 <ScottK> OK. We ought to have it better documented where we can find it. 15:17 <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-July/000999.html ← that one 15:17 <Laney> IIRC 15:17 <Laney> I think it was stgraber who was disagreeing 15:18 <Laney> let me just mail the CC and get them to write it up somewhere 15:19 <stgraber> might have been, though nowadays I'd be fine with documenting that the score must be +1 or higher and that at least 50% +1 (quorum) of the DMB members voted 15:19 <ScottK> OK. 15:19 <micahg_mobile> Well, as I recall, the DMB had a different scheme because of the care needed when granting upload rights 15:19 <Laney> The reason that +4 came about, in my mind, is that this is when the application is no longer in doubt 15:20 <Laney> i.e. a unanimous meeting of 4 or more DMB members can make a decision that the others can't overturn 15:20 <ScottK> For Kubuntu Dev, the rule is "majority of those present and at least 3". 15:20 <stgraber> Laney: right 15:21 <Laney> OK, fine, so I don't think there is any actual disagreement 15:21 <ScottK> So, bottom line then is it's up to cyphermox. 15:21 <Laney> cyphermox: want any context? 15:22 <micahg_mobile> Hrm, I thought we had 3 abstentions 15:22 <cyphermox> I was just looking at that 15:22 <cyphermox> so far I'm +0, looking to see if there's something to change my mind either way 15:22 <Laney> You can ask questions 15:22 <Laney> if you want 15:22 <ScottK> I'd propose two actions: 15:23 <ScottK> 1. Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented. 15:23 <cyphermox> Laney: true 15:23 <ScottK> 2. cyphermox review Noskaj application and history and determine his vote. 15:23 <ScottK> We ought to be able to do both those in two weeks, right? 15:23 <Laney> Fine. I'll just send the email right now 15:24 <cyphermox> Noskcaj: what specific actions did you take on the evolution-ews package I see in mitya57's list of experiences working together? 15:24 <cyphermox> ScottK: yes 15:24 <ScottK> Probably not entirely fair just to spring this on him without warning. 15:25 <Laney> email is fine 15:26 <ScottK> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html 15:26 <ScottK> #action Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented. 15:26 * meetingology Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented. 15:26 <Laney> Give me two minutes and you can #link it 15:27 <ScottK> #action cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote. 15:27 * meetingology cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote. 15:29 <ScottK> Anything else while we wait for Laney's link? 15:33 * Laney better mail to devel-permissions instead of d-m-b@ so there is a public link. 15:36 <Laney> ScottK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html 15:37 <ScottK> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html 15:37 <ScottK> Next chair 15:37 <ScottK> micahg_mobile: You're next on the list. 15:37 <Laney> Also if this application fails the people who voted negatively should be ready with feedback 15:37 <micahg_mobile> Ok 15:38 <ScottK> AOB 15:38 <ScottK> I guess none then. 15:38 <ScottK> #endmeeting