19:27 <bdrung> #startmeeting
19:27 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 24 19:27:06 2014 UTC.  The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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19:27 <bdrung> #topic Review of previous action items
19:28 <bdrung> stgraber: Did you add the new DMB members?
19:28 <stgraber> yep
19:28 <bdrung> stgraber: the dmb-ping doesn't seem to be update
19:29 <rww> I can correct that for you. Changes?
19:30 <stgraber> rww: that'd be great. Remove barry and tumbleweed and add xnox and bdmurray
19:30 <stgraber> bdrung: oops, yeah, forgot about that one.
19:30 <rww> !dmb-ping =~ s/barry, tumbleweed,/xnox, bdmurray,/
19:30 <ubottu> I'll remember that rww
19:31 <bdrung> thanks
19:31 <bdrung> moving on
19:32 <bdrung> #topic Xubuntu packageset/MOTU application from Jackson Doak
19:32 <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#MOTU
19:32 <bdrung> Noskcaj: please introduce yourself
19:33 <Noskcaj> Hello everyone, i'm Jackson Doak. I've been doing packaging work since mid 2013, and would like to gain upload rights.
19:33 <Noskcaj> Is there anything specific i should be saying?
19:35 <bdrung> no. we will ask you questions.
19:35 <Noskcaj> A large portion of my work is keeping Xfce/Xubuntu up to date, as well as other, minor DEs
19:36 * bdrung is still reading the application wiki (sorry for not having time to do that earlier)
19:36 <bdrung> Noskcaj: so xfce you are using xfce?
19:36 <Noskcaj> yes
19:38 <stgraber> Noskcaj: so it's been exactly a month since your last application, what steps did you take to resolve some of the hilighted issues?
19:39 <Noskcaj> I've been making sure i test build everything i work on, and only taking patches that have been tested
19:40 <Noskcaj> Also, reading debian and upstream changelogs more extensively
19:40 <Noskcaj> I believe my quality of work has improved in the last month, and since i first applied in january. Next month i should finally have my dev PC working too.
19:44 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, so, you made a call for sponsoring shortly after the last meeting, but there was an issue with that, do you understand what that was and what steps would you take to prevent that from happening in the future
19:45 <Noskcaj> micahg, yes. I made a call for sponsoring during a freeze which meant very few things could actually get sponsored, plus i said some changes were "release critical", but that was only for final release
19:47 <Noskcaj> In future i won't call for sponsoring in freezes, and will check if a package is seeded before uploading
19:49 <bdrung> Noskcaj: what steps do you do before uploading (or requesting an upload)?
19:50 <Noskcaj> Check no one else is working on the package, test build it and make sure i'm not adding regressions, check if it's affected by any current freezes/transitions, upload
19:51 <bdrung> Noskcaj: how do you test to not introduce regressions?
19:52 <Noskcaj> changelog checking, testbuilding, automated checks like lintian and blhc, upstream bug trackers, not packaging unstable releases unless needed
19:54 <bdrung> Noskcaj: do you install the packages and run them before uploading?
19:54 <Noskcaj> bdrung, When possible, but it's difficult for me to do due to hardware limitation. That will be fixed in a few weeks time
19:55 <Noskcaj> (When i will have my VM server finished)
19:56 <bdrung> Noskcaj: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list?
19:56 <Noskcaj> yes
19:59 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, could you please explain the difference between CFLAGS, CPPFLAGS, and CXXFLAGS
20:00 <Noskcaj> They are all makefile macros. Cflags is for C only, CXXflags is for C++, CPPflags for both
20:02 <bdrung> Noskcaj: why is CPPFLAGS for both?
20:03 <Noskcaj> It's where preprocessor flags go, which both c and C++ use
20:06 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, where's your reference for that?
20:06 <Noskcaj> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5541946/cflags-ccflags-cxxflags-what-exactly-do-these-variables-control
20:06 <Noskcaj> I don't know C or C++, but i do understand what the flags do
20:07 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, did you notice the first comment on that response?
20:07 <Noskcaj> oh
20:07 <Noskcaj> 1. I feel stupid now 2. Thanks for telling me to look there
20:08 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, I certainly did not intend to make you feel stupid
20:09 <bdrung> no questions are left. so let's vote.
20:09 <micahg-work> we don't have quorum
20:10 <bdrung> ScottK voted in private for this case. so we still have quorum.
20:11 <bdrung> #vote Should Jackson Doak become MOTU?
20:11 <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Jackson Doak become MOTU?
20:11 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:15 <stgraber> -1 [A month ago I said "I'd prefer to have you work for a few more months through sponsors", since it has only been a month, I'm sticking to my vote]
20:15 <meetingology> -1 [A month ago I said "I'd prefer to have you work for a few more months through sponsors", since it has only been a month, I'm sticking to my vote] received from stgraber
20:16 <Noskcaj> stgraber, My reason for the only one month is i cannot apply again till the end of the year
20:16 <Noskcaj> just FYI
20:16 <bdrung> Noskcaj: why?
20:16 <micahg-work> -1 same as stgraber, though I'm glad to see the sponsors say that some improvement has been made
20:16 <meetingology> -1 same as stgraber, though I'm glad to see the sponsors say that some improvement has been made received from micahg-work
20:17 <Noskcaj> bdrung, 19UTC is currently 6am here, 6th of april, it becomes 5am
20:17 <Noskcaj> I struggled to make this meeting as it is
20:18 <bdrung> +1 [ Noskcaj is a young and passionate developer. He made mistakes and probably will make mistakes, but he is learning and improving ]
20:18 <meetingology> +1 [ Noskcaj is a young and passionate developer. He made mistakes and probably will make mistakes, but he is learning and improving ] received from bdrung
20:18 <micahg-work> Noskcaj, we can either do a vote by email or something else, we'll work with you
20:18 <bdrung> i got one -1 from ScottK
20:18 <bdrung> #endvote
20:18 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Jackson Doak become MOTU?
20:18 <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:2 Abstentions:0
20:18 <meetingology> Motion denied
20:19 <Noskcaj> i'll try to apply by email then, but last time it took two months, two irc meetings, just to be told "-1 from everyone"
20:20 <bdrung> Noskcaj: sorry for not granting you upload rights. you are on the right path (improving and learning).
20:20 <Noskcaj> thanks
20:20 <Noskcaj> and for xubuntu packageset?
20:20 <bdrung> #vote Should Jackson Doak get upload rights to the Xubuntu packageset?
20:20 <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Jackson Doak get upload rights to the Xubuntu packageset?
20:20 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:21 <stgraber> +0 [Same reason as previous vote, sticking to what I voted a month ago]
20:21 <meetingology> +0 [Same reason as previous vote, sticking to what I voted a month ago] received from stgraber
20:22 <Noskcaj> I'd expected to not get MOTU this meeting, but had to try. Xubuntu packageset i think i deserve since i've not had any bad uploads there, and micahg's time to upload stuff is fairly limited
20:24 <micahg-work> +0
20:24 <meetingology> +0 received from micahg-work
20:24 <bdrung> +1 [ same reason as for MOTU application ]
20:24 <meetingology> +1 [ same reason as for MOTU application ] received from bdrung
20:25 <bdrung> I got one -1 from ScottK
20:25 <bdrung> #endvote
20:25 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Jackson Doak get upload rights to the Xubuntu packageset?
20:25 <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
20:25 <meetingology> Motion carried
20:26 <Noskcaj> Is that actually motion carried or does scott's vote make is denied?
20:26 <bdrung> Noskcaj: sorry. this isn't enough for upload rights.
20:26 <Noskcaj> :(
20:26 * Noskcaj flips table, leaves to get breakfast
20:27 <bdrung> we need +4 to carry a motion (with +0 and 3 absent member, you can't reach it any more)
20:27 <stgraber> Noskcaj: if you are still around for a few minutes, we do have a PPU proposal for you though
20:28 <bdrung> Noskcaj: your application is not denied, but deferred. Most of us think that you need more time until you get upload rights to learn and improve.
20:34 <Noskcaj> stgraber, I'll be around for another hour.
20:34 <Noskcaj> bdrung, ok. I should probably find time to learn a programming language in a meaningful way, but that does need a lot of time
20:35 <bdrung> Noskcaj: Do you want to get upload rights for catfish, parole, and mugshot?
20:36 <Noskcaj> bdrung, If possible, although menulibre, whiskermenu, gthumb, and maybe all of xfce could be added to that list
20:40 <bdrung> we add gthumb to the PPU list.
20:40 <bdrung> #vote Should Jackson Doak get upload rights for catfish, gthumb, parole, and mugshot?
20:40 <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Jackson Doak get upload rights for catfish, gthumb, parole, and mugshot?
20:40 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
20:40 <bdrung> +1
20:40 <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
20:40 <micahg-work> +1
20:40 <meetingology> +1 received from micahg-work
20:40 <stgraber> +1
20:40 <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
20:41 <Noskcaj> Thanks, it's something.
20:43 <stgraber> so that's 3/4, ScottK proposed this (except for gthumb) so I believe he's likely to approve but final approval and granting of the rights will have to happen once he's back online
20:43 <Noskcaj> :)
20:43 <bdrung> #endvote
20:43 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Jackson Doak get upload rights for catfish, gthumb, parole, and mugshot?
20:43 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
20:43 <meetingology> Motion carried
20:45 <bdrung> Noskcaj: as previously said, we need +4 (out of seven). you got +3 from the three present members.
20:45 <Noskcaj> yep
20:46 <bdrung> Noskcaj: we will get the remaining vote(s) via IRC or mail later.
20:47 <Noskcaj> If i may ask, why is the whole dmb so rarely present at meetings?
20:47 <bdrung> Noskcaj: as stgraber already said, I assume you will get the missing vote and the PPU will be granted.
20:48 <bdrung> Noskcaj: we are distributed around the globe and real live can make it hard to attend. For example, the early meeting is in my work time and I can only attend if I do not have an other meeting.
20:49 <stgraber> Noskcaj: because most DMB members work, some have to travel (like ScottK today) and for some it's just too late or too early based on their repsective timezones
20:49 <Noskcaj> ok
20:49 <bdrung> Noskcaj: we will let you know about the outcome of the vote.
20:49 <Noskcaj> thanks
20:50 <bdrung> #topic Any other business
20:50 <bdrung> next chair will be Brian (following the list)
20:51 <bdrung> anything left?
20:51 <bdrung> I guess not.
20:51 <bdrung> #endmeeting