15:06 <slangasek> #startmeeting 15:06 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct 10 15:06:40 2013 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:06 <meetingology> 15:06 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:07 <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round 15:08 <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu) 15:08 <slangasek> bdmurray xnox stgraber slangasek cjwatson barry jodh ev doko stokachu 15:08 <slangasek> bdmurray: hello! 15:08 <slangasek> stokachu: ack :) 15:08 <bdmurray> bug triage 15:08 <bdmurray> tested update-manager bug 1119427 15:08 <bdmurray> removed usage of gksu from ubuntu-release-upgrader - bug 1210649 15:08 <bdmurray> added phased-update knowledge to update-notifier - bug 1223321 15:08 <ubottu> bug 1119427 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in update(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'saveDistUpgrade'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119427 15:08 <ubottu> bug 1210649 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Raring) "/usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk:TypeError:on_button_upgrade_now_clicked:run:error:error:__init__:__init__:function" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210649 15:08 <ubottu> bug 1223321 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "update-notifier notifies of phased-updates for which you may not be eligible" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223321 15:08 <bdmurray> click chroot modifications 15:08 <bdmurray> reviewed / approved P SRU of libreoffice 15:09 <bdmurray> ⌁ done 15:09 <cjwatson> bdmurray: Are you finished with the chroot work? I think I was waiting for a response to my most recent comment before circling back 15:09 <xnox> * emulator: 15:09 <xnox> - adbd into android available out of the box 15:09 <xnox> - serial into ubuntu available out of the box 15:09 <xnox> - everything else is built and boots correctly 15:09 <xnox> - emulator on the people.c.c is updated, but is kind of hand-build 15:09 <xnox> (some patches are not in saucy) 15:09 <xnox> - todo: /data/ is not mounted inside the android-lxc container 15:09 <xnox> * bugs: 15:09 <xnox> - fixed up u1 page bug in ubiquity (couldn't login/sign-up) 15:10 <xnox> - putting spam plug into upstart-udev-bridge (and related debugging) 15:10 <xnox> - todo: spam plug on the udev source in systemd-udevd 15:10 <xnox> - fixing FTBFS in main 15:10 <xnox> .. 15:10 <stgraber> No fancy report today, fighting with dbus/kernel/lxc over in #ubuntu-touch (not sure why since it doesn't affect touch though ;)) ... 15:10 <bdmurray> cjwatson: no, I was going to have a poke at it again today 15:10 <stgraber> 15:10 <stgraber> Quite a lot of upload queue reviews 15:10 <stgraber> Looked into a couple of ubiquity bugs (xnox, what's the status on the webkit related one?) 15:10 <stgraber> LXC code reviews and cherry-picked a bunch of bugfixes (including trying to sort out the dbus/apparmor mess introduced by recent kernels...) 15:10 <stgraber> Added logging support to system-image 15:10 <stgraber> Started to work on some of the changes required for ports support for system-image 15:10 <stgraber> Some more touch related work (debugging udm, system-image, ...) 15:10 <stgraber> (DONE) 15:11 <cjwatson> bdmurray: ok, cool 15:13 <xnox> stgraber: right, it's on my todo list. but i don't think i'll get to it today. 15:14 <stgraber> xnox: yeah, no worries, I kind of gave up on that one after I told cjwatson and slangasek I'd take care of it so I at least keep an eye on it to make sure we make progress (our initial guess was something related to logind I may have been able to help with, but now that it's clearly a webkit issue, I'm not too useful ;)) 15:15 <xnox> stgraber: i see. 15:15 <xnox> stgraber: my guess was to move loading up T&C webpage, only if/when people click to see it. Instead of on module import. Thus at that point we at least know if network is available and don't fail the install horibly. 15:16 <slangasek> * working to try to reproduce bug #1234731 in upstart 15:16 <slangasek> * being hamstrung by bug #1228406 15:16 <slangasek> * freeze reviews 15:16 <ubottu> bug 1234731 in dbus (Ubuntu) "calling 'initctl set-env -g' from within an upstart job is lost" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234731 15:16 <slangasek> (done) 15:16 <ubottu> bug 1228406 in linux (Ubuntu) "[LENOVO 3249CTO] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228406 15:17 <cjwatson> Lots of archive cleanup. NBS now zero, amd64 and armhf zero uninstallables, saucy_outdate_all.txt almost cleared, proposed-migration backlog improved, component-mismatches-proposed tidied up, fixed various build failures. 15:17 <cjwatson> ARM64 porting. Lots of build supervision and scheduling. Loads of config.guess/config.sub updates. Fixed dlopen segfault in statically-linked programs which is harmless but confused the fault watcher we have to have in our builds at the moment. 15:17 <cjwatson> Investigated bug 1237519. 15:17 <ubottu> bug 1237519 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Grub2 fails to install to non-standard device path" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237519 15:17 <cjwatson> Working on displaying Launchpad builder versions in the UI so that upgrades are slightly less painful to monitor. 15:17 <cjwatson> To do: 15:17 <cjwatson> * Finish reviewing and merging Brian's chroot management branch (carried over). 15:17 <cjwatson> * Hunt through GRUB code to try to chase down bug 1229458 (carried over). 15:17 <ubottu> bug 1229458 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grubnetx64.efi tftp client does not work over ipv6" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229458 15:17 <cjwatson> * Merge Steve's GRUB patch (in progress). 15:17 <cjwatson> * Look for last-minute installer bugs to hoover up. 15:17 <cjwatson> .. 15:17 <cjwatson> (I can't take credit for all the archive cleanup obviously :) ) 15:17 <barry> short week due to illness. 15:17 <barry> system-image: LP: #1215586, LP: #1206588, LP: #1235975 15:18 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1215586 in Ubuntu system image "The u/i cannot handle the array-of-dictionaries update descriptions" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215586 15:18 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1206588 in Ubuntu system image "test_service_exits() can't run on system bus" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206588 15:18 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1235975 in Ubuntu system image "Unsafe file and directory permissions" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235975 15:18 <barry> done 15:18 <stgraber> xnox: not sure if that'll be enough though, here I clearly had network access and ubiquity would work fine if started under sudo, so it seems like we've got a permission issue somewhere (write to cache, config, similar stuff?) 15:18 <jodh> * upstart 15:18 <jodh> - Fixed bug 1234898. 15:18 <jodh> - Investigated bug 1235231. 15:18 <jodh> - Investigated bug 1234743. 15:18 <ubottu> bug 1234898 in upstart "upstart-local-bridge not handling all events sent to it" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234898 15:18 <ubottu> bug 1235231 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth loses output to /dev/console (such as ci-info: messages)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235231 15:18 <jodh> - Investigating bug 1235649 - multiple issues: relates to 1234743 and 15:18 <ubottu> bug 1234743 in linux (Ubuntu) "omapfb module floods system with udev events on samsung galaxy nexus" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234743 15:18 <ubottu> bug 1235649 in unity (Ubuntu Saucy) "uevent spam causes session upstart to consume massive amounts of memory on Ubuntu Touch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235649 15:18 <jodh> what looks to be an incorrect use of the D-Bus API (ongoing). 15:18 <jodh> ಠ 15:18 <xnox> stgraber: set a11y?! 15:19 <xnox> (cause that's one thing that webview does) 15:19 <xnox> jodh: i think mhr3 can be a dbus expert, he seems to be working a lot with e.g. for https://launchpad.net/dee 15:20 <jodh> xnox: ack, thanks. 15:20 <ev> - Chat with Rick on the 1SS move. 15:20 <ev> - Chat with James on the 1SS move. 15:20 <ev> - Call with Chris and Andy on getting a role account in canonistack for team 15:20 <ev> projects. Chatted with Tom Haddon over the approach. Submitted an RT. 15:20 <ev> - Call with Chris on the vanguard implementation. 15:20 <ev> - Landing task force standups. 15:20 <stgraber> xnox: could be 15:20 <ev> - Work with Chris on getting OOPS support into lp:qa-dashboard. 15:20 <ev> - Some light code review. 15:20 <ev> - Chased Canonistack role account (RT 65080). 15:20 <ev> - Debugging GNetworkMonitor waking up frequently with apw (LP: #991481). 15:20 <ev> Suggestions welcome. 15:20 <ev> - A few meetings with Alice on the move. 15:20 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 991481 in Whoopsie "Constant dns traffic for daisy.ubuntu.com" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991481 15:20 <stgraber> xnox: if sudo strips some of that from the environment, that may be the different 15:20 <stgraber> *difference 15:20 <ev> - Set up a project to manage the new canonistack role account: 15:20 <ev> https://launchpad.net/ci-engineering-canonistack 15:20 <ev> - Call with Rick, Larry, pinky, Herb, and James Troup on the 1SS move. 15:20 <ev> - Catch up call with Chris. 15:20 <ev> - Reviewed some small changes from deej to the daisy and daisy-retracer charms. 15:20 <ev> - Investigated using apport-retrace for the touch images for lool. Chat with 15:20 <ev> lool and pitti about how we can override UnreportableReason. 15:20 <ev> - Chased jjo on https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=64590. 15:20 <ev> - Mail to the CI team, explaining the new Canonistack role account. 15:20 <ev> - Arranged a meeting with the whole CI team to discuss the 1SS move. 15:21 <xnox> stgraber: cause ubiquity-dm does process and sets/unsets a11y & modifies gsettings which wouldn't be there, if boot straight to desktop. 15:21 <ev> - Mail to ubuntu-engineering, letting them know how they can engage the CI 15:21 <ev> engineering team. 15:21 <ev> - Worked with Chris and Alex to further clarify our responsibilities in the 15:21 <ev> wiki. 15:21 <ev> - Call with Alex, Steve, Leann, Michael, and Colin on the landing spreadsheet 15:21 <ev> and what we're doing post-release. 15:21 <ev> - Created RT 65144 for setting up oops.canonical.com for reports.qa.ubuntu.com. 15:21 <ev> - Mail to ubuntu-engineering explaining how to retrace crashes. 15:21 <ev> - Chased retracers in prodstack. Nearly there! 15:21 <ev> - Working with the AUS folks to find an acceptable meeting time. 15:21 <ev> - Small review and merge from Steve for daisy armhf retracer config. 15:21 <ev> - Helping the CI team chase a LXC/apparmor issue around dbus. 15:21 <ev> - Chasing up statsd RT with alexlist, psivaa, and vila. Waiting for init script 15:21 <ev> fixes from jjo. 15:21 <ev> - Chased up oops.canonical.com reporting from dashboard.qa.ubuntu.com (RT 65144) 15:21 <ev> - Putting Larry and Rick in charge of lab access and discussing using IS' LDAP, 15:21 <ev> per Alex's request. 15:21 <ev> - Chasing up why we're not seeing the autopilot documentation on 15:21 <ev> http://utah.readthedocs.org/en/latest/. 15:21 <ev> - Helped jjo debug statsd configuration. 15:21 <ev> - Fixes to lp:daisy to support recoverable problems server-side. 15:21 <ev> - Investigated bugs in the retracers from deej that turned about to be wrong 15:21 <ev> package versions in the deployed charms. 15:21 <ev> (done) 15:22 <ev> I think there's more, but I forgot to write down whatever it was I did last week 15:22 <cjwatson> oh, one other thing on my to-do, the germinate run at the end of the publisher is crashing with something arm64-related and I need to investigate why ASAP 15:22 <slangasek> jodh: do you have all the remote access to a mako device that you need for reproducing the problem in place on the phone? 15:25 <jodh> slangasek: yes, I do now thanks. 15:25 <slangasek> jodh: ok, good 15:25 <slangasek> doko: your turn :) 15:25 <doko> - one more last (later?) gcc-4.8 update for saucy, fixing wrong code-gen for gmp and nss 15:25 <doko> - update all our cross binutils and compilers 15:25 <doko> - fixing build failures, ftbfs looks good (main), the test rebuild too besides some texinfo related ftbfs 15:25 <doko> - Address remaing MIRs 15:25 <doko> - Trying to prepare a Go meetup during Linaro Connect together with mwhudson and some google Go devs 15:25 <doko> - Prepare an AArch64 test chroot 15:25 <doko> - AArch64 upload orgies 15:25 <doko> - last Thu was national holiday, was sick on Fri 15:25 <doko> (done) 15:28 <lool> ev: pitti suggested something simple for forcing report on .crash 15:28 <slangasek> doko: so I didn't get back to you on your question about wrong code generation on armhf 15:28 <ev> hm? 15:28 <slangasek> I think it's too late (and was already too late) to do much about this before release, besides release note it 15:28 <lool> ev: just remove the unreportable reason with vi and submit it (ugly, but works); he didn't want an official flag as this approach is frowned upon in the first place 15:28 <doko> yeah 15:29 <ev> lool: seems reasonable 15:29 <slangasek> doko: I was puzzled by something in your mail, you said that it affected 64-bit math, but the test case for it is only using 32-bit ints? 15:30 <doko> was it? hmm ... just chatted with linora tcwg guys 15:30 <slangasek> yeah 15:30 <slangasek> so if it affects 32-bit math, that worries me a lot more :-) Yet the problem was only reported in things like gmp 15:31 <slangasek> and if we had a widespread problem with 32-bit math I would expect everything to be on the floor, and it's not 15:31 <doko> yes, I add the list of packages that apparently were affected 15:31 <slangasek> those affected packages were all ones that caught the bug in the testsuite though, right? 15:32 <doko> yes, I'm sure about nss and the cyrpto package, didn't check the others 15:33 <slangasek> so the part that worries me is the packages that might be affected but *don't* have test suites 15:33 <doko> exactly 15:33 <slangasek> but I don't think we currently can quantify this well enough to release note it 15:33 <slangasek> "some math might be broken" is scaremongering, not a useful release note 15:34 <doko> well, it's not broken anymore 15:34 <slangasek> doko: can you work with the Linaro guys to try to identify the scope of this? Any chance that there's a way to search the archive for packages that include the wrong code? 15:34 <slangasek> or maybe they know that this is a very rare corner case that only affects heavy-duty math libs 15:34 <slangasek> right, it's not broken for anything built with the current compiler 15:34 <bdmurray> the ubuntu security team has code for searching archive packages 15:35 <doko> slangasek, the corner case was the issue which did show up in mpfr. right, will check again, but afaiu just scanning the assembler for some instructions isn't possible 15:35 <doko> will do that at connect 15:35 <slangasek> bdmurray: yeah, what doko said, the hard part is scanning the binary for assembly sequences 15:36 <doko> xnox, did you feel disturbed? ;-P never typing that much during meetings 15:36 <slangasek> I know there are tools out there for scanning for instructions, but perhaps in this case it's too difficult to craft a proper match for the breakage 15:36 <slangasek> anyway 15:36 <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB 15:36 <slangasek> ? 15:36 <xnox> doko: I use push-to-talk such that I don't make noise =) 15:37 * xnox ponders if Saucy Salamander, will be followed by Tasty Tintin 15:38 <bdmurray> I could use some help with bug 1024590 15:38 <ubottu> bug 1024590 in update-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in _on_download_changed(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_value'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024590 15:39 <slangasek> xnox: a tintin is an animal? 15:40 <mdeslaur> tasty turkey 15:42 <barry> tangy tadpole 15:42 <slangasek> bdmurray: how can we help? 15:43 <slangasek> reading the bug log, it seems you're already pretty far down the rabbit hole 15:43 <bdmurray> and then I got stuck 15:44 <slangasek> anyone have some spare cycles to help bdmurray with this? 15:46 <slangasek> <crickets> 15:46 <slangasek> bdmurray: I can try to take a look this afternoon, but no promises :/ 15:47 <bdmurray> slangasek: okay, no problem 15:47 <slangasek> anything else today? 15:48 <slangasek> #endmeeting