18:02 <AlanBell> #startmeeting IRC team 18:02 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Aug 25 18:02:23 2013 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:02 <meetingology> 18:02 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:02 <AlanBell> hi, who is here for the IRC team meeting? 18:03 <Flannel> o/ 18:03 <ikonia> I'm certainly watching 18:04 <AlanBell> Pici: Tm_T: funkyHat: o/ 18:06 <Tm_T> hi 18:06 <Tm_T> only partially available, sorry 18:06 <AlanBell> ok 18:06 <AlanBell> again, not a heap of stuff on the agenda 18:06 <AlanBell> #topic Review last meetings action items 18:07 <IdleOne> o/ 18:08 <AlanBell> last meeting was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/IRCC/20130630 and no actions recorded 18:09 <AlanBell> but I never got round to doing a list of things the bots say 18:09 <AlanBell> anyhow, lets move on and come back to new actions because I can think of a few things we need to do 18:09 <AlanBell> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker 18:10 <AlanBell> none in the tracker, there have been no recent formal appeals 18:10 <AlanBell> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council 18:10 <AlanBell> no new bugs filed 18:10 <AlanBell> #topic Membership applications 18:10 <AlanBell> we have no new membership applications 18:10 <AlanBell> #topic Any Other Business 18:10 <AlanBell> gosh that was quick :) 18:10 <bazhang> not m4v ? 18:11 <IdleOne> m4v was finnaly approved 18:11 <AlanBell> m4v is a member now, was approved a few months ago 18:11 <bazhang> alright 18:11 <IdleOne> little while ago 18:11 <AlanBell> cloak and everything :) 18:11 <IdleOne> there have been no recent formal appeals ? 18:11 <AlanBell> indeed, there have not 18:11 <IdleOne> This confuses me 18:11 <IdleOne> what exactly constitutes a formal appeal? 18:12 <AlanBell> someone sending us an email with the details of what they want to appeal about 18:13 <IdleOne> I see 18:13 <IdleOne> So joining the council channel and making a complaint does not count? 18:13 <AlanBell> there have been some discussions with users where we have advised them of how to appeal and we let them talk if they want to say their piece 18:14 <AlanBell> anyone can pop in to the #ubuntu-irc-council for a chat at any time, but an appeal is by email 18:15 <Tm_T> AlanBell: does appeal process say that? 18:15 <IdleOne> it should if not 18:15 <ikonia> if you follow the process it says you should email the council on the list after discussing it with the ops 18:16 <IdleOne> I haven't read it recently but I recall it saying they can also join the ircc channel. It should be made clear if not 18:16 <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess 18:17 <AlanBell> there is a bit of an OR in there 18:17 <IdleOne> there is an either or 18:17 <IdleOne> I suggest it be cleared up 18:18 <DJones> On the basis that the purpose of #ubuntu-irc-council has never been explained to me since I was accepted as an op in #ubuntu, what is its purpose? is it a a private channel with no idling or something that #ubuntu* ops should be aware of? 18:18 <AlanBell> so yes, if people pop in to the channel we do try and sort out what the problem is, but I was generally counting emails as formal appeals 18:19 <AlanBell> the channel is very rarely used, it is handy if we want to discuss something with someone so that all the council can see discussions rather than having private messages with us as individuals 18:20 <IdleOne> I am fine with making it email if you want this to be a formal complaint OR join the channel if you want to alert the council to something without it being a huge deal type thing 18:23 <AlanBell> yeah, that might be good to clarify in the documentation 18:25 <IdleOne> AlanBell: only because some of us were under the impression there had been a formal complaint made against some of the ops. 18:25 <IdleOne> least that is what we were told. 18:26 <IdleOne> Good to know we can continue to abuse our powers without consequence :) 18:26 <IdleOne> that was a joke, just in case nobody got it. 18:26 <AlanBell> /kick IdleOne 18:28 <Tm_T> IdleOne: this is serious business, we don't understand humout 18:28 <Tm_T> r 18:29 <bazhang> hummus is welcome though 18:29 <AlanBell> hmm, something weird going on with my connection :( 18:29 <IdleOne> Tm_T: plz2email for formal complaint. kthx 18:29 <bazhang> falafel not included 18:29 <Tm_T> done 18:31 <AlanBell> ok, so from that 18:31 <AlanBell> #action ircc to discuss and clarify what constitutes a formal complaint 18:31 * meetingology ircc to discuss and clarify what constitutes a formal complaint 18:32 <AlanBell> is there any other other business? 18:32 <Flannel> AlanBell: You said you had things earlier (at :09) 18:33 <AlanBell> yup, just we need to do a round of cloak audits for people who are expired or whatever 18:34 <Flannel> Well, that's not very exciting at all. What are we paying you for? 18:35 <AlanBell> #action AlanBell to make a list of cloaks to remove as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks 18:35 * meetingology AlanBell to make a list of cloaks to remove as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks 18:36 <AlanBell> and the other thing to mention is that we had a catchup meeting with the CC about a month ago, I will try and find the logs to link 18:37 <AlanBell> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-08-01-17.00.log.html#l-81 18:37 <AlanBell> ok, anything else to add? 18:38 <AlanBell> lets wrap it up there then 18:38 <AlanBell> #endmeeting