17:05 <dholbach> #startmeeting 17:05 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 15 17:05:02 2013 UTC. The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:05 <meetingology> 17:05 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:05 <YokoZar> Excellent :) 17:05 <dholbach> #chair dholbach pleia2 YokoZar beuno czajkowski 17:05 <meetingology> Current chairs: YokoZar beuno czajkowski dholbach pleia2 17:05 <dholbach> #topic Meeting the Doc team 17:06 <dholbach> hey dsmythies - thanks a lot for turning up 17:06 <dholbach> how are you doing? 17:06 <dsmythies> fine. Things are proceeding, but slowly. 17:07 <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted was recently rewritten, so that's a start 17:07 <dholbach> the Docs team underwent sort of a transition recently - how are things looking? :) 17:07 <pleia2> unfortunately the team still lacks solid leadership, so decisions mill around a bit 17:07 <dholbach> which topics are currently under discussion? 17:08 <YokoZar> The CC is still a "member" of the docs team, isn't it? 17:08 <pleia2> YokoZar: yeah 17:08 <pleia2> we own it 17:08 <dsmythies> Yes, CC owns it, but we have a transition plan 17:09 <dsmythies> where step 1 was adding new admins 17:09 <pleia2> dsmythies: a few have been added, do you see a clear person to take over as owner? 17:10 <dsmythies> No, I don't. 17:10 <pleia2> that's how I feel too 17:10 <YokoZar> I believe pleia2 has been most on top of the transition, and I do thank her :) 17:10 <dholbach> are there lots of important subjects which mill around? 17:10 <pleia2> bkerensa got off to a good start, but he seems pretty over-committed right now 17:11 <dsmythies> we seem a bit stalled on the new "getting started" page. 17:11 <pleia2> yeah, it did get moved over but there are still some outstanding comments about it 17:11 <dsmythies> for my part of it, I have been busy with smething else. 17:12 <bkerensa> pleia2: very accurate 17:12 <dsmythies> For serverguide, we have good plans going forward, which Peter M has put into a blueprint. 17:12 <bkerensa> pleia2: I think things will slow down shortly on my other commitments though and allow more time for docs 17:12 <pleia2> so I think the main problem is that even the new key people involved are very busy :) 17:12 <dholbach> would it help to ask past committers to lp:ubuntu-docs for a review of the getting started page? 17:12 <pleia2> dsmythies: server guide is really on top of things, great job with that :) 17:13 <bkerensa> pleia2: I think a big piece has been the ability to find people to delegate to slowed down 17:13 <pleia2> dholbach: we've bugged them to their breaking point I think, our next step is asking *new* contributors if they can effectively follow it 17:13 <bkerensa> pleia2: there was a burst of enthusiasm and then when it came to getting stuff reviewed it slowed down a bit 17:13 <dholbach> pleia2, ok... good thinking :) 17:13 <pleia2> and have a team meeting 17:14 <bkerensa> yes 17:14 <pleia2> so I'd say in all dsmythies was right on with "proceeding, but slowly. 17:15 <pleia2> thanks bkerensa 17:15 <bkerensa> Ideally once we get the getting started complete I think the tasks we have left are really quite easy for those involved to address 17:15 <bkerensa> docs is mostly maintenance 17:15 <bkerensa> maintenance + release 17:15 <dholbach> what would next steps be once the getting started page looks good and you've had a team meeting? 17:15 <pleia2> that's what we should figure out at the team meeting ;) 17:16 <dholbach> ok :) 17:16 <pleia2> the docs need to be updated for 13.10, so probably launching that effort formally 17:16 <bkerensa> dholbach: so then I would want to improve our tool sets and add a doc to the repo that shows how to do release since I am the only one who knows how 17:16 <bkerensa> :s 17:16 <bkerensa> dholbach: nobody every release documented the process so we had to ask a lot of people 17:16 <dholbach> that sounds like a good idea :) 17:16 <bkerensa> ever* 17:16 <pleia2> step 3: download bkerensa's brain 17:16 <bkerensa> also we need to fix the screenshots script 17:17 <bkerensa> we cannot update screenshots in doc until we have that fixed :/ 17:17 <pleia2> yeah, that would be good 17:17 <bkerensa> Perhaps we could do a call for help on that 17:17 <pleia2> yep 17:18 <bkerensa> So I think the key things are 1. ) Keep momentum 2.) finish what we set out to do this cycle 3.) Bring in new contributors to continue momentum each cycle 17:19 <dsmythies> Actually, serverguide is quite behind, (maybe 15% of what needs to be done got done last cycle) it is just that it seems to be doing better than the desktop guide. 17:20 <dsmythies> The transition from master docs to help.ubuntu.com needs some attention also. I hope to work on it some this cycle, and have alreayd done some. 17:20 <dholbach> it's good to hear that you seem to have a good idea what's coming up next 17:22 <dholbach> is there anything the CC could do to help? 17:23 <dsmythies> I don't think so. Benjamin, what do you think? 17:23 <dholbach> it's fantastic that you all plunged in and helped getting the team back on track 17:25 <dsmythies> The gap created by Mat East and Jermey stepping back is enormous. I don't think any of us realized how much those guys did. However, they tended not to write down what they were doing, from the "committer" level. 17:26 * pleia2 nods 17:26 <pleia2> I think bkerensa was able to get most of what we needed via discussion with them on specific procedures though 17:26 <dholbach> yeah, I can see how that happens :/ 17:26 <bkerensa> so 17:26 <pleia2> documenting is boring :) 17:26 <bkerensa> I do not think the CC can help anymore 17:26 <dholbach> haha 17:27 <bkerensa> ultimately the CC should feel free to hold the teams hand as long as you all think its neccesary 17:27 <bkerensa> but I do not think any benefit will come from that 17:27 <bkerensa> I think pleia2 has been very helpful in encouraging the transition 17:27 <pleia2> bkerensa: do you see a clear leader to pass along team ownership to? 17:27 <bkerensa> Not currently no 17:28 <pleia2> currently that's all the CC is really doing (I'm doing this partially on my own too, less CC) 17:28 <bkerensa> yeah 17:28 <bkerensa> I do not want to see us rush into naming a new lead 17:28 <dholbach> that makes perfect sense 17:28 <pleia2> ok, so for now CC will remain owner 17:28 <bkerensa> I think it would be good to find someone when one of us feel were up to it and have demonstrated it 17:28 * pleia2 nods 17:29 <dholbach> cool 17:29 <dholbach> thanks a bunch to all of you! 17:29 <bkerensa> thank you all 17:29 <dholbach> I don't have any more questions - anyone else from the CC? 17:29 <pleia2> thanks everyone 17:29 <dsmythies> More on the serverguide side of it, we are tryiing to write everything down, such that is we disappear what to do is clearly documented. 17:30 <dholbach> all right... seems like not 17:30 <dholbach> keep up the good work! :) 17:31 <dholbach> #topic Any other business? 17:31 <dholbach> Does anyone have any other topics to discuss? 17:31 <dsmythies> I just want to mention something... 17:32 <dholbach> dsmythies, sure 17:33 <dsmythies> we are hoping to post all langusges of serverguide to help.ubuntu.com for 13.10. This would then be the same as the desktop guide. Currently only english serverguide is posted. However, there are issues with some languages, that might take longer than 13.10 to sort out. 17:34 <dholbach> dsmythies, are the problems well-understood? 17:36 <dsmythies> No, at least not by me. There are bugs reports. However, my thinking was to get it wokring for all langusges first, and then proceed to fix the ones that do not convert properly. 17:36 <dholbach> ok, that's good to know - if the bugs are at least filed 17:36 <dholbach> maybe it'd help to ask for help getting them fixed in a blog entry or something? 17:37 <dsmythies> ... all in good time. Myself, I'm not there yet. I only did enough work to realize it was going to be difficult to solve. 17:38 <dholbach> ok :/ 17:39 <dholbach> anything else from the docs team? 17:39 <dholbach> anyone got any other business to discuss? 17:39 <dsmythies> No. 17:40 <dholbach> thanks again! :) 17:40 <dholbach> all right then... pleia2: anything else from you? 17:42 <dholbach> oook, in that case ... :) 17:42 <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone 17:42 <pleia2> :) 17:42 <dholbach> #endmeeting