#title #ubuntu-meeting: Meeting of the One Hundred Paper Cuts team for 13-01-24 Meeting started by JoseeAntonioR at 20:07:25 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-24-20.07.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Review of previous meeting minutes ''ACCEPTED:'' Review of previous meeting minutes (notgary, 20:17:37) *Developer week *Getting more people involved *Meetings Meeting ended at 20:58:56 UTC. == Votes == * Write a guide to configuring a development environment for working with paper cuts For: 2 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Decide on a regular meeting time For: 1 Against: 0 Abstained: 1 * Devise and implement a strategy for getting more people involved in the project For: 2 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * Acceptance of the minutes of the last meeting For: 2 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * notgary (119) * DiegoTC (42) * meetingology (32) * DiegoTc (4) * JoseeAntonioR (4) == Full Log == 20:07:25 #startmeeting Meeting of the One Hundred Paper Cuts team for 13-01-24 20:07:25 Meeting started Thu Jan 24 20:07:25 2013 UTC. The chair is JoseeAntonioR. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:07:25 20:07:25 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:07:33 #chair notgary 20:07:33 Current chairs: JoseeAntonioR notgary 20:07:44 Ah 20:08:07 JoseeAntonioR: now that's quite neat :0 20:08:09 :) 20:08:26 JoseeAntonioR: thanks for sorting that out for me :) 20:08:35 Agenda for today is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Meetings/24Jan2013 20:08:40 no probs 20:09:47 If anyone hasn't yet read the agenda, can you please take a couple of minute now to do so 20:10:36 first item 20:11:01 #topic Review of previous meeting minutes 20:11:49 Last time we decided to focus the project on the foundation UI technologies in Ubuntu 20:12:05 So GTK+ and Compiz will be our primary targets 20:12:28 the idea being to work on the apps that use them, and try and fix the bugs in the foundation so other apps can benefit 20:13:00 William Hua (attenuate) from the desktop team kindly volunteered to help us work on GTK issues 20:13:17 We also decided to create and maintain our own PPA 20:13:33 where we would keep scripts and tools that will helps us get our job done a lot easier 20:14:28 We decided that, in order to get design input on paper cuts, we should assign them to jnick_tait, a project manager on the design team, who would delegate them to another designer 20:14:37 and last of all 20:15:03 we decided that it would be better to use #ubuntu-desktop as out main irc channel 20:15:07 instead of our own 20:15:19 so we were not isolated from the rest of the community in our own little corner 20:15:35 that's the minutes from the previous meeting 20:15:57 Is everyone happy that that's how things went down last time? 20:17:00 Heh 20:17:28 Guess no-ones here from last time :) 20:17:37 #accepted Review of previous meeting minutes 20:18:01 +1 20:18:22 Oh yeah, voting would probably be better for these :P 20:18:27 Lets try that 20:18:52 #vote Acceptance of the minutes of the last meeting 20:18:52 Please vote on: Acceptance of the minutes of the last meeting 20:18:52 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:18:58 +1 20:18:58 +1 received from notgary 20:19:43 DiegoTc: Now's your chance to +1 :) 20:19:57 +1 20:19:57 +1 received from DiegoTc 20:20:12 Anyone else here for the paper cuts meeting wanting to vote? 20:20:37 guess not :P 20:20:40 #endvote 20:20:40 Voting ended on: Acceptance of the minutes of the last meeting 20:20:40 Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:20:40 Motion carried 20:21:03 Item 2 was added by a person who's not here yet, so we'll move onto item three 20:21:11 #topic Developer week 20:21:33 This coming tuesday 20:21:53 I'll be giving a developer week session on the paper cuts project on Ubuntu on air 20:22:17 I'll be doing the speaking on the stream and questions will be taken in #ubuntu-classroom-chat 20:22:30 I've got a list of talking points here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Events/DeveloperWeek2013 20:22:46 And my plan was to talk around them 20:23:00 The list is not complete, and will still be in flux probably right up until the last minute 20:23:14 But does anyone have anything they think should be covered that isn't there? 20:23:40 Give me some minutes to check it out 20:23:47 Cool 20:24:15 I suppose this Fixing paper cuts 20:24:44 What about it? 20:26:16 DiegoTc: What about fixing paper cuts? 20:27:42 Is guess DiegoTc 's AFK just now. Anyone else got a thought about the current plans for developer week? 20:28:42 Hi 20:28:46 Hey :) 20:28:49 sorry laptop when of 20:28:58 No worries 20:29:13 What are your thoughts on the current developer week plans? 20:29:25 So I suppose that in this part Fixing paper cuts 20:29:39 you wil talk about how to fix bugs? 20:29:53 that have been assign or no? 20:30:44 The process you need to go through to get a bug fixed in Ubuntu, including getting patches merged upstream. the process of fixing a paper cut is very similar to the process of fixing a normal bug in Ubuntu, so most it will be covering those processes again 20:30:57 I won't go into the details of specific apps 20:31:03 Or of specific bugs 20:31:26 That's all 20:31:26 well long time ago i haven't read the documentation of fixing bugs 20:31:48 It's changed quite a bit over the past few years 20:31:52 But last time I sow there is missing something important 20:32:02 How to configure your working enviroment 20:32:13 Hmm 20:32:13 you know the code is in launchpad 20:32:20 but okay whats next 20:32:34 That is a good point 20:32:40 documentation wasn't clear for that 20:32:44 so lets say 20:32:51 I want to fix the title of compiz 20:33:03 okay, but what I need to work on compiz code? 20:33:15 I have the code 20:33:21 how do i configure it 20:33:29 is something special 20:33:37 is there any specific IDE 20:33:45 or gedit is good for that 20:34:22 that's my opinion 20:34:39 It's a pretty good one though 20:35:04 Over the past couple of months we've been setting up an area on the wiki that we call our Dojo - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/PaperCutsNinja/Dojo/GTK3 20:35:24 It's going to cover tips and ticks to working with the different apps and packages that we're going to be working on 20:36:02 In the run up to the session, we could make sure there's a bit there for configuring your development environment 20:36:33 Since most of the apps we'll touch will be based on GTK, there should be a lot of steps in common between each one 20:36:42 Perhaps a weekend project :P 20:36:47 What do you think? 20:37:22 yeap 20:37:31 that sounds a good idea 20:38:31 #vote Write a guide to configuring a development environment for working with paper cuts 20:38:31 Please vote on: Write a guide to configuring a development environment for working with paper cuts 20:38:31 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:38:35 +1 20:38:35 +1 received from notgary 20:38:48 +1 20:38:48 +1 received from DiegoTC 20:38:58 Anyone else think that's a good idea? 20:39:26 The rest of them all think it's rubbish :) 20:39:30 #endvote 20:39:30 Voting ended on: Write a guide to configuring a development environment for working with paper cuts 20:39:30 Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:39:30 Motion carried 20:39:48 Item 4 20:39:53 #topic Getting more people involved 20:40:20 Getting more people involved in the project is critical to it's long term survival 20:40:41 DiegoTc: As a new contributor, how did you end up getting involved? 20:41:13 notgary: you mean how did I discover papercut 20:41:25 or how I plan to get involved? 20:42:02 How did you discover it and what was it that made you want to get involved. If we can identify the things that are attracting people right now then we can do more of that in the future. 20:43:05 Ahh 20:43:10 I read your article 20:43:13 in planet.ubuntu 20:43:34 Which one? I've been shamelessly spamming Planet with paper cut article :) 20:43:42 the first one 20:43:58 helping in ubuntu and no one notice it 20:44:09 that all cool people are in unity 20:44:28 This one? http://www.notgary.com/2013/01/want-to-get-involved-with-ubuntu-get.html 20:44:43 yes 20:45:02 That one seems to be the most popular, and I did write it differently to the rest 20:45:32 Actually I have always want to start helping fixing bugs, but lets said time, work, college, and each time I download the code and didn't find no place to go to configure I just left it that way 20:46:12 You're just the person I've been aiming these at 20:46:22 People who want to help out 20:46:27 But don't get round to it 20:46:46 I figure that if I keep reminding people that we're here 20:46:53 They'll eventually come and check us out. 20:47:40 I think we need to set up our own little internal project for getting more people involved 20:47:57 It's a pretty big task (persuading people to come along0 20:48:25 and it'll involved more time and effort than we can put in with the 15 minutes we have left in this meeting 20:48:58 So what don't we decide here that we need a real plan for attracting new contributors 20:49:15 and discuss it outside of the meeting, on the mailing list and in #ubuntu-desktop 20:49:30 How does that sound? 20:50:08 that sounds great 20:50:33 #vote Devise and implement a strategy for getting more people involved in the project 20:50:33 Please vote on: Devise and implement a strategy for getting more people involved in the project 20:50:33 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:50:37 +1 20:50:37 +1 received from notgary 20:50:54 +1 20:50:54 +1 received from DiegoTC 20:51:04 Anyone else wanna chip in their vote? 20:51:24 Nope? Your loss. 20:51:28 #endvote 20:51:28 Voting ended on: Devise and implement a strategy for getting more people involved in the project 20:51:28 Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:51:28 Motion carried 20:51:41 Next one should be a short one 20:51:47 #topic Meetings 20:51:53 After this meeeting 20:52:08 I think we should start having regular meetings once a week 20:52:23 I think there's been such a low turnout this time because we're not having regular meetings 20:52:33 so they're not fresh in people's minds 20:52:41 well I am not friend or regular meeting 20:52:51 and they haven't gotten into a routine of attending them 20:52:53 its 14:53 right now 20:52:55 Why not? 20:53:02 I am on work :p shouldn't be here 20:53:06 Ah 20:53:30 We also have a regular contributor who fixes a lot of bugs in GTK apps who live in Australia 20:53:36 and so cannot attend any meeting 20:54:02 Meeting probably on Saturday? 20:54:02 They would be held at 1900 UTC (an hour before this one started tonight) 20:54:20 If people are up for a weekend meeting, then that would be fine 20:55:18 I figured that contributors will be scattered around the world in many different timezones, so no matter what time we chose, someone would be unhappy 20:55:33 What we can vote on then (since we're running out of time and you have to get back to work) 20:55:57 is to speak with the rest of the contributors and find out what sort of time they would like 20:56:21 #vote Decide on a regular meeting time 20:56:21 Please vote on: Decide on a regular meeting time 20:56:21 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:56:25 +1 20:56:25 +1 received from notgary 20:57:05 +0 20:57:05 +0 received from DiegoTC 20:57:10 #endvote 20:57:10 Voting ended on: Decide on a regular meeting time 20:57:10 Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 20:57:10 Motion carried 20:57:24 So there are two items left on the agenda that we won't cover tonight 20:57:47 The first, item 2, was added by someone who isn't here to discuss it, so I'll move it to the next meeting's agenda for him 20:58:09 and the second is more of me just pontificating about what sort of future I see for the project 20:58:15 which I can do in a blog post 20:58:16 :) 20:58:25 So unless you have anything else to add 20:58:30 I think we can conclude this meeting 20:58:39 yeap 20:58:43 Cool 20:58:43 thats fine for me 20:58:48 #endmeeeting 20:58:56 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)