#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by ogra_ at 16:04:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-18-16.04.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20130118/ (ogra_, 16:48:46) Meeting ended at 16:52:14 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * ogra_ (102) * janimo (14) * Shindz (7) * meetingology (3) * rrnwexec (2) * ppisati (2) * Sid_Payton (1) * jake__ (1) * balloons (1) == Full Log == 16:04:23 #startmeeting 16:04:23 Meeting started Fri Jan 18 16:04:23 2013 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:04:23 16:04:23 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 16:04:42 so this is the weekly nexus7 status meeting 16:04:52 anyone here besides me ? 16:04:56 I am 16:05:18 Yapp 16:06:17 hmm, i would have wished for some more people ... especially developers to give some status updates 16:07:06 anyway, i can at least do my own status update if others dont show up ... 16:08:04 work has been done on the splashscreen front, people using recent images will notice plymouth showing up on their installs (sadly still in portrait mode) 16:08:34 ureadahead was also fixed to finally generate proper .pack files, that should speed up booting slightly 16:09:26 work on reducing the image size (due to switching the tarball to xz compression) is underway, that will give us the opportunitzy to finally re-pack the images for more than the 8G device 16:09:57 xnox did some work on the usb-creator side for nexus7 support, so the installation/flashing should be possible from there soon 16:10:49 janimo developed a daemon for rotation and ambient light support https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-January/036337.html 16:11:03 we're still discussing how to move on from here 16:11:22 (it works fine but x is really slow to update the orientation) 16:12:12 the most serious issue is still the touch input layer getting confused ... even more in portrait mode 16:12:30 well, thats all the status i have to give atm 16:12:37 does anyone else want to speak up 16:12:39 ? 16:13:32 hey JanC 16:13:35 err 16:13:37 janimo, 16:13:38 hey 16:13:48 i just posted a link to the ubuntu-devel mail 16:13:54 and mentioned your work 16:14:22 * ogra_ wishes someone from the X team would be around 16:14:31 i'd really like to hear about the input issues 16:14:52 I'll have a look myself if no unity/X guy has time 16:15:08 maybe I find some more clues to pass them 16:15:13 well, i was told there are fixed upstream, but thats like two months ago 16:15:28 tjaltoon was supposed to take care for it 16:15:35 do we still have a top 5 worst bugs list as we had around UDS? 16:15:44 i think so, yeah 16:15:52 well, the top one is surely input 16:16:10 sound still needs a suspend cycle to start working 16:16:31 but thats an nvidia issue according to diwic 16:16:47 we still have the panel shadow as black bar ... 16:16:58 there are more than one input bugs though . One that it stops working, then nautilus double tap, and the relatively new clikcs not working unless in defautl orientation 16:17:04 and we have 103 open bugs ... some of them start smelling already 16:17:14 * ogra_ points at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7 16:17:39 yeah, there is also "never release grab" 16:18:21 I'd not mark those Q->R dist-upgrade ones Critical unless they happen on fresh raring installs 16:18:41 nope 16:18:58 especially BT ones :) 16:19:05 since qunatal has a hack there 16:20:25 plars, around ? 16:20:37 (and updates from the QA side ?) 16:20:48 s/and/any/ 16:21:41 or gema or balloons ? 16:22:06 gema's stateside today, or perhaps traveling back 16:22:11 k 16:22:26 I will go through those 103 bugs and see if any needs update/removal :) 16:22:47 some do, but are assigned to people already, i didnt want to just close them 16:23:02 at least not without talking to the owner 16:23:56 in any case it doesnt seem that all the noise i made about this meeting got any of our developers here today ... 16:24:15 anyone having a suggestion how we can change that ? 16:25:42 also if anyone from the audience wants to speak up, ask a question or help, feel free 16:25:43 as for making noise, I read the post on the fridge... 16:25:59 this is an open meeting for everyione to participate :) 16:26:29 Shindz, it was on G+ as well and on planet.ubuntu.com and i think someone even re-posted it to facebook 16:28:17 I saw it on planet.ubuntu.com 16:28:17 * ogra_ has no idea what other media should have it as well, to get peoples attention 16:28:39 but i'll happily follow any suggestion for next weeks announcement :) 16:28:54 may be some some devs don#t go social ... 16:29:03 hah, yeah 16:29:43 for the Nexus 7, when could we expect to see a first true tablet experience ? 16:30:03 some time in 13.10 i guess 16:30:26 while i'm not nexus7 active ATM, i'm here :) 16:30:28 in 13.04 all the focus is on the underlying bits (the so called plumbing layer) 16:30:36 * ogra_ hugs ppisati 16:30:45 * ppisati hugs back :) 16:31:00 so dont expect to much from 13.04 wrt tablet UI experience 16:31:25 focus atm is to cut down everything we can to optimal values ... 16:31:34 ram usage, space usage, speed etc 16:32:00 good to know. what is the most difficult task you are facing now ? 16:32:03 and make all the bits and pieces work (sensor inputs like rotation or GPS etc) 16:32:32 Shindz, that the devs assigned to tasks dont show up to meetings i guess *g* 16:32:59 *g* ^^ 16:33:02 beyond that, see the buglist, as jani and i mentioned, the input layer is super broken still 16:33:21 yeah I wanted to ask about it 16:33:22 on a touch device thats not really helpful :) 16:34:10 well, so i'll take an action to hunt down the missing devs personally during next week and have them show up here 16:34:26 is bluetooth getting any closer? that would help us test without needing the touchscreen 16:34:31 not having an Xorg dev here while discussing the input layer wont get us very far 16:35:00 rrnwexec, well, there is one nonfree bit that we havent decided on yet how to handle it ... 16:35:33 you could install the brcm bits from the quantal PPA on raring, i think that should make it work 16:35:47 ok. thanks :) 16:35:49 (but will make upgardes to the BT stack fail) 16:36:00 cyphermox, ^^^ 16:36:18 do you have any info about the BT progress on the nxexus7 ? 16:37:41 hmm, seemingly not 16:38:25 probably some words of whats ahead for next week ... 16:38:48 i'll be working on adding preseeding support to the images for automated testing in the QA testlab 16:39:14 i'll also be working on the xz compression which needs some massive changes in the image build process and the installer 16:39:49 once thats in place we can think about building images for flavours (xubuntu, kde-plasma and lubuntu were asked for) 16:40:50 ogra_, do we now have extra server time to add more flavours? 16:40:51 if someone is eager to learn how ubiquity works, i think xnox would be grateful for help on the "input in textfields does not work" and "wallpaper is missing" bugs of the installer 16:41:09 janimo, my re-working of the compression should avoid that 16:41:32 you mean we could install multiple desktops from a single image? 16:41:39 janimo, currently the compressing happens on a panda and takes 1/3 of teh build time ... i want to move that part to nusakan 16:41:56 still, have 3 or 4 nexus flavours seems a lot of work for little gain 16:41:58 janimo, nope, we will build multiple flavour based images 16:42:02 anyway not my business 16:42:37 the xz compression isnt needed for te3h flavours, its needed for being able to re-roll the image during flashing for bigger than 8G devices 16:43:08 the current one is to big to properly re-pack it, fastboot falls over then 16:43:21 and the -S option for fastboot doesnt seem to be safe 16:44:06 (the tarball needs to become smaller for re-packing) 16:45:01 janimo, adding the flavours is a one line change to the crontab for each flavour 16:45:08 thats no biggie 16:45:38 I was under the impression there is little time for extra images hence them being continuously pruned 16:45:44 making buildtime for them is, but thats fixed by moving the compression which we have to do anyway 16:46:01 I thought the disappearance of the ac100 is a result of such shortage 16:46:08 current buildtime is 90min ... 16:46:12 of server time and developer resources 16:46:13 30 of them for gzip 16:46:27 miving to xz on the panda would double that 16:46:51 moving the whole compression to nusakan (x86 machine) will make us get rid of that delay 16:47:31 xz has to happen anyway ... we'll get spare time for flavours for free through it 16:48:18 disappearance of the ac100 ? 16:48:26 * ogra_ checks, they should build 16:48:46 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20130118/ 16:48:49 still there :) 16:50:28 anyway, 10min to go ... does anyone have more questions, suggestiones etc ? 16:51:05 seems not ... 16:51:46 i'll try to make sure the next meeting is a bit more crowded, if any of you have questions outside of that meeting, we're around in #ubuntu-arm all day ... 16:51:50 going once 16:51:55 going twice 16:52:03 meeting adjourned ! 16:52:07 #ednmeeting 16:52:10 bah 16:52:14 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)