07:59:19 #startmeeting ubuntu arb meeting 07:59:19 Meeting started Sun Dec 2 07:59:19 2012 UTC. The chair is coolbhavi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 07:59:19 07:59:19 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 08:00:02 ajmitch, here is the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda 08:00:24 yep, I have it open 08:01:35 it's been awhile since the last meeting & the group has shrunk a little bit, not sure how relevant old action items are 08:02:51 ajmitch, yes. So there are a couple of real burning issues: 1) the review process almost seems to be slowed down 2) the dev's who have submitted their packages as a part of app developer showdown are really angry 08:03:45 yes, I'm sorry that I haven't been doing a lot on the queue lately, I'm guessing that we've had 0 interest from other ubuntu developers to look over packages 08:04:58 ajmitch, thats perfectly fine :-) any thoughts on how to keep the reviews rolling over until we have the new arb process in place? 08:05:07 * ajmitch has been trying to look at tools more than the queue lately, but hasn't got much to show 08:05:34 there's no easy way to get the reviews done unless we just do them 08:06:20 even if I get you a queue that has lintian/licensecheck run & builds packages automatically, there's still a fair bit of manual work to do 08:06:44 * coolbhavi too is concentrating on getting arb profile into lintian so we can get another app review week going 08:07:24 that'll help a bit 08:07:39 most of the work items I have from UDS are related to tools like this 08:08:20 any thoughts of about getting the queue closed for sometime (as in a freeze period) and concentrate on clearing the queue 08:08:31 for some time? 08:08:41 would that help? 08:08:59 we don't have a large number of new submissions, I think closing the queue could be seen fairly negatively 08:09:16 then again, it's not like we could make the reputation much worse :) 08:10:25 hmm agreed it has negatives but the queue has around 100+ apps I believe 08:11:29 we did talk about this at UDS & considering closing the queue to be a bad idea 08:11:49 do you think we can just pick through the queue for packages that are 99% ready & get those in? 08:12:34 I'll try & get some of this automation in place asap so that we can see what's low-hanging fruit 08:13:40 yes those in pending review and review in progress especially ones from app-developer-showdown might help 08:15:38 any ideas on convincing people that they should help out? :) 08:15:54 it's been a struggle since the ARB was introduced, so I'm not optimistic 08:16:10 I'll add a action item for both then to identify packages which are already in shape 08:17:14 yes but as you said it was a struggle as it requires some amount of motivation and free time 08:17:39 and for people to consider extras.u.c to be worthwhile 08:18:07 for most developers, new packages are a low priority anyway 08:18:35 +1 added to that the queue is not so public facing 08:20:44 #action ajmitch and coolbhavi to scout for some low hanging fruits in the queue to help clear the queue 08:20:44 * meetingology ajmitch and coolbhavi to scout for some low hanging fruits in the queue to help clear the queue 08:21:34 do you think a new round of recruitment can help in this regard? 08:21:41 ajmitch, ^^ 08:22:24 maybe a little bit, but we haven't really had anyone interested despite recent mails to the list about the process 08:23:54 yes. but considering a 7 member team will be more effective than a 3 member team right now it might help 08:24:30 sure, if you can get 4 more people to step forward & commit 08:24:47 I'll bring this up on the list then for discussion 08:25:32 #action coolbhavi to mail the arb list about a new round of recruitment 08:25:32 * meetingology coolbhavi to mail the arb list about a new round of recruitment 08:25:57 ok 08:28:36 has the TB approved the process change? 08:28:46 ajmitch, the other two points were: still we have not got any formal signoff from the TB regarding new arb process and we were not able to meet frequently in the recent past 08:29:59 ajmitch, can you help regarding reaching out to the TB for a formal approval? 08:30:00 yes, that's why I asked about the TB signoff, I know that it was mentioned in a TB meeting 08:30:45 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-November/001437.html is the last action on the TB list 08:31:09 I'll check & see if they want to approve it or if we just go with it 08:31:25 great! 08:31:36 I suspect they'll be fine with us just going ahead, there were no objections on the list 08:32:40 yes agreed but a formal signoff would be a good go ahead signal for us to atleast follow up on ubuntu-devel 08:32:59 right 08:33:06 so the other thing is more regular meetings 08:33:25 I'll mark down an action for this 08:34:05 #action ajmitch to check with the TB for approval of new arb process 08:34:05 * meetingology ajmitch to check with the TB for approval of new arb process 08:34:26 regarding meetings 08:35:28 how about having meetings on sunday this time as long as a new recruitment run goes into pace? 08:35:43 fine by me 08:36:24 great then! ll catch up with alessio too regarding this. 08:37:01 ok, hopefully he can make it to the next one 08:37:13 I'm guessing once a month is enough? 08:38:57 right. but twice in a month for next couple of months maybe wont harm as it enables us to track the queue better I think. But then its your choice :) 08:39:30 christmas holidays are coming up, so twice a month will be pushing it 08:40:10 :) fine then! 08:40:53 any other things up for discussion? 08:41:08 I think that's about it 08:42:04 thanks a lot ajmitch for coming in :) you are really one of the arb's rockstars :) 08:42:25 no, not really :P 08:43:21 atleast you were one of those guys who formed the arb :) thanks a lot again! 08:43:29 #endmeeting