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17:05:32 <dholbach> #topic Catch up with the TB
17:05:53 <dholbach> How has the last cycle worked out for the TB?
17:06:23 <stgraber> pretty good I think, didn't have a lot of things to discuss/review/do really
17:06:58 <cjwatson> We've generally had a pretty quiet cycle, yes - there've been a few things we've been asked to resolve, but fairly low on controversy
17:07:01 <dholbach> Wow... I read most of the reports from the TB and thought that you actually had a lot on your plate.
17:07:16 <cjwatson> I don't know whether I view this as a success or not
17:07:25 <czajkowski> team reports++
17:07:40 <czajkowski> will the TBs workload increase with the helping of ARB now?
17:08:11 <cjwatson> My perception has been that most of the things that come to us already have broad agreement, and sometimes we tweak a bit to try to ensure that precedents are set sanely and that sort of thing
17:08:46 <dholbach> Do you have a lot of internal discussion? Or are you mostly just consulted by other teams or parties?
17:08:48 <stgraber> the TB only reviews the the ARB processes when they need changes, so that's not taking a lot of time as the requested policy changes usually make sense and aren't controversial
17:08:49 <cjwatson> e.g. the nvidia/fglrx SRUs question, which involved quite a lot of detail but it wasn't a fundamental disagreement
17:09:10 <cjwatson> At the moment, the TB essentially only does anything when issues are brought to us
17:09:21 <stgraber> mostly just consulted by other teams/parties. The only internal discussion we have are about timezones/dst it seems :)
17:09:43 <dholbach> Did any of your ever the feeling the TB could have a more active role or is it not of much interest right now?
17:10:17 <dholbach> Sorry, not active, rather proactive. I didn't mean to say you're all lazy. :)
17:10:18 <cjwatson> We've talked about this several times and kicked around a number of ways in which we might be more proactive, but it never seems to come to much
17:10:39 <cjwatson> The brainstorm review seems to have (unfortunately?) rather fallen by the wayside
17:10:57 <czajkowski> nods I think ye mentioned this at the last meeting up as well
17:11:17 <czajkowski> cjwatson: is this something the TB would like to get back involved in,or do you see it as a role the TB can't take part in any more?
17:11:19 <dholbach> I feel the CC and the TB are pretty much in the same boat here. One thing we tried to do was inviting teams to our meetings to ensure that things are working seamlessly for everyone.
17:11:25 <cjwatson> But of course several TB members are active on their own accounts anyway
17:11:37 <dholbach> And that has sparked some good discussions in the past.
17:11:57 <cjwatson> czajkowski: I tend to feel that we may have outgrown the point where a single small board can be sufficiently on top of things everywhere to take an interventionist approach
17:12:22 <czajkowski> dholbach: yes our catch ups are very useful
17:12:40 <dholbach> cjwatson, I think I agree - we also trust that people simply bring it up with the CC if they feel it's necessary
17:12:55 <czajkowski> +1
17:13:06 <cjwatson> I'd certainly encourage folks to come to us when they're doing things that are likely to set precedent elsewhere and want a broader perspective - I think that's a valuable role the TB plays
17:13:42 <cjwatson> But realistically we're likely to remain mainly reactive at least for a while, I think
17:13:51 <dholbach> Is there anything you feel should improve generally in the world of Ubuntu development? Anything you feel should change?
17:13:54 <cjwatson> (Speaking only for myself though)
17:14:30 <cjwatson> I don't think I can answer that from a TB perspective rather than from my personal perspective
17:14:36 <cjwatson> Maybe stgraber can have a go :)
17:15:15 <dholbach> Or maybe something the TB might need help with?
17:16:40 <dholbach> If not, that's perfectly fine - I just thought it polite and interesting to ask. :-)
17:16:57 <stgraber> I can't really think of anything for either questions ;)
17:17:02 <cjwatson> Not really - I suspect newer folks may be afraid to ask us things when they should
17:17:16 <cjwatson> But I don't know if that's immediately fixable :)
17:17:48 <czajkowski> thanks cjwatson
17:17:51 <czajkowski> and stgraber
17:18:00 <dholbach> Again we're in the same boat with the CC, I think only personal encouragement works there. :)
17:18:11 <cjwatson> Yeah
17:18:14 <dholbach> thanks a lot for your hard work
17:18:26 <dholbach> I'm very pleased to hear that things work out nicely for you.
17:18:37 <dholbach> cjwatson, enjoy the rest of your day off :)
17:18:37 <cjwatson> I'm being summoned though so I'm afraid I'll have to go :)
17:18:41 <cjwatson> Sorry, bad leave timing
17:18:47 <dholbach> no, it's all good :)
17:18:50 <dholbach> thanks for making time
17:18:54 <czajkowski> Thank you
17:18:56 <dholbach> #topic Any other business
17:19:07 <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda seems very empty.
17:19:17 <dholbach> so maybe we just give a quick update on the CoC v2
17:19:22 <czajkowski> nods
17:19:43 <dholbach> we did two rounds of feedback for https://code.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft and it looks like everyone is sufficiently happy with it
17:19:59 <dholbach> so we're in the process of getting it into LP and on the website and will announce it once it's there
17:20:08 <dholbach> thanks a lot to everyone who helped put the update together!
17:20:26 <czajkowski> yes it's nice to see the work finally coming together
17:20:35 <czajkowski> we have the annoucement almost done
17:20:42 <czajkowski> and the bug on website update filed
17:20:48 <czajkowski> dholbach: what is left to get it into LP ?
17:20:55 <dholbach> I filed a merge proposal and it's WIP
17:21:17 <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/launchpad/coc-2.0/+merge/133702
17:21:25 <dholbach> Rick Harding had a look at it already
17:21:29 <dholbach> so we're slowly getting there
17:21:43 <czajkowski> cool
17:21:50 <dholbach> apart from that I'm happy to say that the community related sessions from UDS were great and that everyone seems to be busy working on the work items we agreed on there
17:22:02 <dholbach> it's nice to see how smoothly things are running
17:22:17 <dholbach> hey cprofitt
17:22:29 <dholbach> does anyone else have anything we should discuss here in the CC meeting now?
17:22:29 <cprofitt> hey dholbach and everyone... sorry for being late
17:22:54 <dholbach> cprofitt, don't worry - looks like we wangled it :)
17:22:57 <Gwaihir> nothing from my side...
17:23:30 <cprofitt> nothing from my side as well
17:23:39 <dholbach> in that case, it looks like we just need to put together the minutes and update the wiki, but we can do that outside the meeting
17:23:44 <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone for turning up!
17:23:47 <czajkowski> lovely
17:23:47 <dholbach> #endmeeting