19:10:36 <bdrung> #startmeeting 19:10:36 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 15 19:10:36 2012 UTC. The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:10:36 <meetingology> 19:10:36 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:11:10 <bdrung> #meetingtopic DMB meeting 19:11:36 <bdrung> #topic Review of previous action items 19:12:08 <bdrung> micahg to document the zentyal packageset 19:12:38 <tumbleweed> doesn't appear to have happened yet: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/zentyal 19:12:55 <bdrung> laney to delete network-manager packageset 19:13:16 <bdrung> #subtopic laney to delete network-manager packageset 19:13:54 <tumbleweed> that was deleted todya 19:14:03 <bdrung> okay 19:14:13 <bdrung> #subtopic laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset 19:14:29 <Laney> seems used 19:14:41 <Laney> there was an upload to that stuff recently 19:14:50 <bdrung> so we keep that package set 19:15:11 <bdrung> #subtopic netbook/unr/mobile packagesets 19:16:07 <bdrung> these packagesets still appear on http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/ 19:16:56 * micahg waves 19:16:57 <tumbleweed> yeah, they still exist 19:17:38 <bdrung> who took this action item? 19:18:36 <Laney> we have to ask the tb to deal with it 19:18:44 <Laney> or did we? 19:18:51 <tumbleweed> I thought we did 19:19:20 <Laney> well, someone there has to delete them 19:19:33 <Laney> can we action our TB friend? :-) 19:20:53 <bdrung> we will give him the action item unless he objects. ;) 19:21:11 <bdrung> #subtopic stefanor to create a UDS session 19:21:17 <Laney> err, stgraber 19:21:25 <Laney> oh, sorry, thought that was you giving the action 19:21:28 <tumbleweed> done 19:21:39 <bdrung> Laney: yes, i was referring to stgraber 19:21:47 <Laney> you didn't #action 19:22:11 <bdrung> #action stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets 19:22:11 * meetingology stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets 19:23:11 <bdrung> now back to the UDS session. tumbleweed, do we have a timeslot? 19:23:47 <tumbleweed> bdrung: no. Is there anything I should request? 19:25:24 <bdrung> tumbleweed: i think having the blueprint should be enough. 19:25:35 <bdrung> do you have the blueprint at hand? 19:25:38 <tumbleweed> yes, it should be 19:25:43 <tumbleweed> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-dmb-discussion 19:26:28 <bdrung> #subtopic micahg to ask docs people if they want to apply for a packageset 19:26:43 <micahg> bdrung: sorry, not yet, will try to do before UDS 19:27:18 <bdrung> #topic PerPackageUploader Applications 19:27:45 <bdrung> #suptopic Luis Henriques' PerPackageUploader Application 19:27:50 * henrix waves 19:28:06 <bdrung> henrix: can you introduce yourself? 19:28:11 <henrix> bdrung: sure 19:28:16 <henrix> Hi! So, my name's Luis Henriques and I've joined the Ubuntu kernel team early this year. 19:28:22 <henrix> I've been working on the stable kernel team, focusing on preparing the kernels for the Ubuntu stable releases. 19:28:26 <henrix> Since the SRU process has been one of my main activities within the team, I believe its now time for me to stop bugging my team for sponsoring my packages and get upload rights for the kernel packages. 19:28:44 <henrix> and i guess that's pretty much if for an intro :) 19:28:52 <henrix> s/if/it 19:29:30 * ogasawara gives henrix a big +1 for kernel upload rights 19:29:54 <sconklin> +1, I've sponsored a number of his packages 19:30:09 <bdrung> henrix: have you (as long time Linux user) any packaging experience before joining the kernel team? 19:30:43 <henrix> bdrung: well, not much. i maintain a small debian pkg (a web browser named xxxterm) 19:30:58 <bjf> i'm very happy with the work henrix has been doing, +1 19:31:14 <henrix> bdrung: don't blame me for the package name :) 19:31:55 <herton> +1 from me as well, I think henrix is prepared, has been working on all latest SRU kernel packages 19:33:29 <bdrung> henrix: how involved are you in the community outside of the kernel team? 19:34:13 <henrix> bdrung: currently i'm mainly involved with the kernel. 19:35:55 <henrix> bdrung: i've been doing bug triagging, etc but pretty much on the kernel packages 19:37:29 <bdrung> has someone else questions? 19:37:36 * tumbleweed doesn't 19:38:47 <bdrung> henrix: you wrote that you dislike the complexity of required interactions between different teams within Ubuntu. Does this apply to SRU process or other areas, too? 19:39:10 <bdrung> s/apply to/only apply to the/ 19:39:37 <henrix> bdrung: well, i don't exactly "dislike", it was just a little bit difficult to put all the pieces together 19:40:01 <henrix> bdrung: the information regarding all these different interactions is all in the wiki... somewhere :) 19:40:13 <henrix> bdrung: that's what i'm referring to in my application form 19:40:42 <bdrung> all information is in the wiki, but you do not know where to find them. 19:41:42 <henrix> bdrung: i meant that initially i had to search for it, or bug someone on the team to point me to that info. 19:41:51 <bdrung> henrix: have you any ideas how reduce the complexity and/or show how these pieces fit together? 19:42:58 <henrix> bdrung: well, i guess that's what the wiki is for -- maybe there are links missing between some of the pages/categories, but i don't see any easy solution 19:43:56 <bdrung> are we ready to vote or are there questions? 19:43:56 <henrix> bdrung: that's the typical information management problem: it all makes sense now that i know where to look 19:44:34 * bdrung nods. 19:46:20 <bdrung> #vote Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages? 19:46:20 <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages? 19:46:20 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 19:46:37 <bdrung> +1 19:46:37 <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung 19:46:41 <tumbleweed> +1 19:46:41 <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed 19:46:46 <micahg> +1 19:46:46 <meetingology> +1 received from micahg 19:46:48 <Laney> (~ubuntu-kernel-uploaders) 19:46:49 <Laney> +1 19:46:49 <meetingology> +1 received from Laney 19:46:57 <cody-somerville> +1 based on endorsements and upload history 19:46:57 <meetingology> +1 based on endorsements and upload history received from cody-somerville 19:48:19 <bdrung> #endvote 19:48:19 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages? 19:48:19 <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:48:19 <meetingology> Motion carried 19:48:30 <bdrung> henrix: congrats. 19:48:38 <henrix> thanks! 19:48:39 <Laney> :> 19:48:40 <bjf> nice job henrix 19:48:55 <Laney> go forth and break^wfix things 19:49:00 <tumbleweed> :) 19:49:12 <henrix> heh, i'll try :) 19:49:45 <bdrung> the kernel team is doing good work. my last few kernel crashes were all caused by hardware problem (and not software problem). 19:50:10 <bdrung> #subtopic Andreas Hasenack's PerPackageUploader Application 19:50:21 <ahasenack> hello 19:50:32 <bdrung> ahasenack: hello. can you introduce yourself? 19:50:53 <ahasenack> I'm Andreas Hasenack, I started working on the Landscape project in March 2008 19:51:13 <ahasenack> it has a client component called landscape-client, which is a package in Ubuntu main nowadays, and we do periodic releases 19:51:28 <ahasenack> including SRUs, which I have been doing in the past few years 19:51:30 <Laney> got a lunk handy? 19:51:34 <Laney> link 19:51:39 <ahasenack> https://landscape.canonical.com 19:51:43 <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/LandscapeClientPerPackageUploadApplication 19:51:45 <Laney> not that, to your application :P 19:51:47 <Laney> thanks 19:51:49 <ahasenack> :) 19:51:52 <ahasenack> sorry :) 19:52:10 <bdrung> Laney: sorry 19:52:16 <ahasenack> So for the past few SRUs the sponsors have asked me to apply for a per-package upload application for landscape-client 19:52:54 <ahasenack> and here I am 19:53:32 <ahasenack> oh, sorry, I failed to mention that my work in Landscape is QA 19:54:51 <Laney> how come seb128 hasn't endorsed? :) 19:54:58 <Laney> (common recent sponsor) 19:55:18 <mdz> o/ 19:55:42 <Laney> oh looked like he had sponsored more 19:55:43 <Laney> nm 19:55:54 <ahasenack> I don't remember now if I asked him 19:56:35 <Laney> we'll need to get out of the way of the TB, so let's speed up 19:56:46 <Laney> is there anything particular/tricky about the landscape packaging? 19:57:02 <ahasenack> I think the fact that one source builds in many releases of ubuntu without changes 19:57:23 <ahasenack> meaning, we have some | in the depends line, and the rules file also tries to be smart about it 19:57:42 <ahasenack> we use substvars for that 19:57:45 <micahg> ahasenack: I assume the changelogs are preserved for in archive builds? 19:58:00 <ahasenack> micahg: yes, I take special note of the changelogs for each sru 19:58:03 <ahasenack> for each release 19:58:38 <ahasenack> in the beginning I didn't, and that was flagged in the review 19:59:52 <bdrung> ahasenack: landscape-client 12.04-0ubuntu0.12.04.0 closes a big bunch of bugs with one changelog entry. wouldn't it be better to just close one bug and mark the other as duplicates of the first one? 20:00:16 <ahasenack> bdrung: well, they weren't really duplicates 20:00:26 <ahasenack> bdrung: we introduced a big new feature 20:00:31 <ahasenack> bdrung: ideally, that would have been a blueprint 20:00:51 <micahg> they were all upstream bugs as well AFAICT... 20:00:53 <ahasenack> bdrung: each bug basically mapped to a branch of code that slowly introduced the new feature 20:01:13 <bdrung> aha, okay 20:01:13 <ahasenack> bdrung: it was the way we found to not pollute the changelog too much, but still record all the bugs 20:01:44 <ahasenack> otherwise it would be like a commit log 20:01:57 <bdrung> ahasenack: are there plans to bring the landscape client to other distributions like Debian? 20:02:11 <ahasenack> bdrung: that's more of a business decision, not a technical one 20:03:11 <bdrung> #vote Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client? 20:03:11 <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client? 20:03:11 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:03:11 <ahasenack> bdrung: out of my pay grade :) 20:04:56 <tumbleweed> +1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ] 20:04:56 <meetingology> +1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ] received from tumbleweed 20:06:39 <bdrung> +1 20:06:39 <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung 20:07:10 <micahg> +1, good history, takes criticism well 20:07:10 <meetingology> +1, good history, takes criticism well received from micahg 20:08:04 <cody-somerville> +1 20:08:04 <meetingology> +1 received from cody-somerville 20:08:18 <bdrung> #endvote 20:08:18 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client? 20:08:18 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:08:18 <meetingology> Motion carried 20:08:46 <bdrung> we had one +1 from Laney via our private channel 20:09:00 <bdrung> ahasenack: congrats to your new upload rights. 20:09:06 <ahasenack> bdrung: thanks 20:09:07 <ahasenack> thank you all 20:09:19 <bdrung> #topic Next chair. 20:09:22 <tumbleweed> next chair: stgraber [again]. next meeting: UDS 20:09:30 <bdrung> #endmeeting