#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by skaet at 15:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-10-05. (skaet, 15:00:20) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001997.html - QA - plars (skaet, 15:00:59) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001999.html - desktop - didrocks (skaet, 15:01:01) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001996.html - security - mdeslaur (skaet, 15:01:03) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002010.html - HWCert - roadmr https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001998.html - kernel - ogasawara (skaet, 15:01:05) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002000.html - linaro - fabo (skaet, 15:01:14) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002002.html - Unity - popey (skaet, 15:01:16) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002008.html - foundations - ogra_ (skaet, 15:01:20) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu (skaet, 15:01:22) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002001.html - kubuntu - RIddell (skaet, 15:01:32) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002009.html- Ubuntu Studio - smartboyhw (skaet, 15:01:32) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002003.html - Lubuntu - gilir (skaet, 15:01:35) *Comments and Questions ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054204 (Laney, 15:33:54) Meeting ended at 15:58:02 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * skaet (89) * seb128 (28) * Laney (27) * rickspencer3 (18) * Daviey (13) * slangasek (10) * plars (10) * popey (10) * ogra_ (9) * pmcgowan (8) * Riddell (5) * highvoltage (3) * ubottu (3) * meetingology (3) * smartboyhw (3) * jibel (2) == Full Log == 15:00:14 #startmeeting 15:00:14 Meeting started Fri Oct 5 15:00:14 2012 UTC. 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Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED. 15:00:50 . 15:00:52 Thanks to those who sent in status emails, if there are recent additions, could you please paste the link here in the channel, since there weren�t that many when I checked earlier this morning... 15:00:55 . 15:00:57 Weekly Status Received: 15:00:59 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001997.html - QA - plars 15:01:01 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001999.html - desktop - didrocks 15:01:03 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001996.html - security - mdeslaur 15:01:05 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002010.html - HWCert - roadmr https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001998.html - kernel - ogasawara 15:01:08 - ubuntu one 15:01:10 - community - balloons 15:01:12 - server - arosales 15:01:14 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002000.html - linaro - fabo 15:01:16 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002002.html - Unity - popey 15:01:20 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002008.html - foundations - ogra_ 15:01:22 https://lists.ubuntu 15:01:24 hmm... seem to have run into a buffer limit, :P, here's the rest 15:01:32 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002001.html - kubuntu - RIddell 15:01:32 - edubuntu - stgraber 15:01:32 - xubuntu - knome 15:01:32 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002009.html- Ubuntu Studio - smartboyhw 15:01:35 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002003.html - Lubuntu - gilir 15:01:41 #topic Comments and Questions 15:02:02 skaet: stgraber and myself are at a hackfest so apologies for missing the Edubuntu notes 15:02:29 skaet: afaict there wasn't something specifically noteworthy to report this week 15:02:50 thanks highvoltage, if there are issues, bring it up today. But glad things seem to be smooth. 15:03:23 usual conventions apply, please raise hand 'o/', if you have question. 15:03:23 ok will do 15:03:26 welcome everyone 15:03:36 hi 15:03:54 we're entering the final push of bug fixes before we go into final freeze next Tuesday. 15:04:04 skaet, (desktop -> I'm back from holidays so didrocks->-seb128) 15:04:27 Thanks seb, sorry about that on the summary. 15:04:36 (np ;-) 15:04:47 any other corrections or additons to the list of status? 15:04:58 Daviey, are you covering for arosales this week? 15:05:56 hmm... while we wait to hear from Daviey (and find out if there are any concerns on the server side) 15:06:14 want to know if anyone else has concerns not in the weekly status already they want to bring up? 15:06:21 key bug fixes needed, etc.? 15:06:22 skaet: yes 15:06:53 Thanks Daviey, what's on the radar to land between now and Final Freeze? anything critical? 15:07:19 I've had a mysterious report of installs not finishing which I can't recreate - bug 1062180 15:07:21 Launchpad bug 1062180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity won't finish installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062180 15:07:37 skaet: I would be expecting at least one more maas upload (on cd), and various openstack uploads (archive only) 15:08:03 There are a few bugs being caught at the moment, which are a little nasty 15:08:22 ok. we have mozilla decision (and possible upload) on Tuesday next week. Can you avoid it? 15:09:28 ie. can we get the maas issues mostly landed by EOD monday? 15:11:44 Daviey, ^? 15:12:12 skaet: unlikely 15:12:36 skaet: I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of smallish things still trickling in towards the end of the week 15:13:14 Daviey, we're spinning release candidates up on Thursday, so SRU time after tuesday (Final Freeze), unless they are release critical. 15:13:21 right! 15:13:43 .. 15:13:51 (thanks) 15:14:06 is freeipmi in a position to be MIRed? 15:14:11 plars, have you seen any sign of bug Riddell mentions? 15:14:17 Daviey: ^ 15:14:28 * plars looks 15:14:34 doesn't sound familiar 15:14:57 Riddell, anyone else able to confirm it? 15:15:25 I just finished up an amd64 installation a few minutes ago, and I know psivaa has done some this morning also, but we'll keep an eye out for it 15:15:31 (and yeah if there is something weird going on, and its common, nows the time to know ;) ) 15:15:36 skaet: xnox had no initial ideas 15:15:37 thanks plars. :) 15:15:47 plars, Riddell skaet sounds like bug 1059619 15:15:49 Launchpad bug 1059619 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) "Installation hangs on: grub-mount /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/os-prober/mount" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059619 15:16:45 jibel: mm could be, I'll pass that to the reporter 15:17:07 thanks jibel, Riddell 15:17:10 .. 15:17:13 jibel: you have a reliable way to reproduce? 15:17:37 plars, yes my 2 laptops 15:18:09 Laney: it was in progress, checking state.. Needed one more fix. 15:20:21 (I'm sure it will be fixed today) 15:20:22 .. 15:21:04 ok, just wondering as that component mismatch has been around for quite some time .. 15:21:53 .. but not forgot. 15:22:08 ogra_, plars - how are the arm desktop and server test results looking? 15:22:20 pretty good i think 15:23:10 I'm looking at desktop right now 15:23:13 about to take a look at server 15:23:28 * ogra_ doesnt expect any regressions 15:23:46 it will be as speedy and blingy as it was in beta on desktop :) 15:23:47 I was just discussing an audio issue, and a keyboard issue with ogra_ but nothing affecting installation on desktop at the moment 15:24:12 for server, I had an issue with the keyboard not working at all, and I know that some people have reported that their hdmi monitor doesn't work on install with -server 15:24:16 mine works though 15:24:18 plars, thanks. Can you send an update to your weekly status that summarizes the results of the testing on arm after you finish looking? Want to make sure we all have a clean picture of what should be good, and what needs to be release noted. 15:24:38 skaet: yep 15:24:44 thanks plars! :) 15:24:46 plars, yeah, as paolo just said, kbd should be fixed ... wrt HDMI i would blame the monitors 15:24:48 * Daviey doesn't write regressive code. 15:25:09 * ogra_ knows there are still a few that dont work with the driver due to broken EDIDs 15:25:10 .. 15:25:15 .. 15:26:18 seb128, are we likely to get a fix for fontconfig in next day or so, so we can put ubuntu medium font back in? 15:27:10 skaet, not that I know about, we don't have anyone in desktop who knows about fonts/fontconfig 15:27:15 not sure if foundation,slangasek is looking at that 15:27:20 there's a fontconfig fix needed? 15:27:36 longstanding ... 15:27:40 Laney, the libreoffice issue seems to be a fontconfig issue 15:27:56 * skaet nods 15:28:03 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=38737 15:28:38 I thought somebody worked around that in the font itself 15:28:58 seb128: we don't have anyone in foundations who knows about fontconfig either 15:29:01 (slangasek, sorry, I keep thinking (wrongly) that you maintain fontconfig as well as freetype in Debian which is why I listed your name ;-) 15:29:05 :) 15:29:18 Laney, who is working on the font? 15:29:28 popey, is thre anyone in your organization that can help here? 15:29:32 Laney, well, Sweetshark wrote: 15:29:34 " 15:29:34 this seems not to be an issue in LibreOffice, but in fontconfig. If I read that 15:29:34 bug right, it would need to be fixed either in fontconfig or workarounded in 15:29:34 the Ubuntu font itself, but not in LibreOffice." " 15:30:06 skaet, we had one guy looking at it, but unfortunately had vacation before he could get to the bottom of it 15:30:06 Laney, skaet: I've no clue who is in charge of the font or could "workaround in the font itself" there 15:30:12 seems to me that this should be reverted in the font then 15:30:19 then it was passed to Sweetshark to investigate 15:30:43 it seems very unlikely we're going to fix it on the software side before release 15:30:43 we have nobody internally who can work directly on the font - we have to contact DM 15:30:44 popey, yeah, Sweetshark concluded that there is nothing libreoffice could do there 15:30:49 yeah 15:30:58 and he has been fighting lo-appmenu stuff the whole week 15:31:10 popey: is there a compelling reason NOT to revert the medium change? 15:31:13 yes, he's busy, we were lucky to get a slice of him 15:31:18 slangasek: it already has been 15:31:30 oh, then what's still outstanding for the release? 15:31:43 putting it back 15:31:44 I thought this was only about the medium-weight font 15:31:44 we would like it in, that's all 15:31:45 trying to get all the bugs fixed. 15:31:46 slangasek, I think the sabdfl was pushing on the bug for us to resolve the issues and restore the font 15:31:47 ah 15:31:57 that's right 15:32:26 I'm not sure how unhappy he and others are going to be if that's not the case... 15:32:47 .. 15:33:21 popey, will you take it up with your management and see if we can come up with other options for getting this sorted? 15:33:29 yup 15:33:34 Thanks popey 15:33:51 one second 15:33:54 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054204 15:33:55 Launchpad bug 1054204 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu Quantal) "Libreoffice chooses incorrect font weight" [Undecided,Confirmed] 15:34:00 That's the bug with the workaround 15:34:32 but I understand that we don't have the preferred form for modification for the font, so the change had to be done some other way 15:36:02 ..! 15:36:57 Laney, that looks to me like the workaround could be applied, and we'd get by this impass. Am I missing something?> 15:37:08 we should probably defer to next cycle at this point 15:37:24 skaet: I think he did some binary hacking to do it 15:37:29 it's not really very satisfactory 15:37:30 hey rickspencer3 15:37:37 hey seb128 15:37:44 seb128: yeah, if that's an option then we should indeed 15:37:58 I was asking rickspencer3 how problematic that is if we don't get the font in quantal 15:37:59 we fixed the Qt side at least 15:38:16 hi 15:38:23 ahoy 15:38:28 rickspencer3, opinion? 15:38:28 right, progress, it doesn't seem likely the libreoffice issue will be sorted out soon though... 15:38:47 I think it would be a shame not to include it after all that was invested in it, but it doesn't sound ready 15:38:50 perhaps mirv could enlighten us about his fix 15:38:58 it does seem a bit sad that we're not really able to modify the font 15:39:40 skaet, does that help? 15:40:12 rickspencer3, yes it doesn't sound ready. Any thoughts on ways we can get it ready in next few days? 15:40:37 skaet, not really, it just sounds too late to get it integrated 15:40:57 if it's not working with Libre Office when we drop it in, it just seems like we need to move on to release without it 15:41:02 rickspencer3, ok. putting it on the shelf then for R, rather than introducing bugs into quantal. 15:41:19 .. 15:41:27 if we start going around fixing this, fixing that, I fear we will get a cascade of knock on regressions 15:41:42 * skaet nods 15:41:49 this would distract us from perhaps fixing critical bugs 15:41:51 sorry 15:41:58 I just think we need to move on 15:41:58 ..? 15:42:14 (sorry to the people who worked hard on it and are passionate about it, I mean) 15:42:30 sorry, asked pmcgowan to join us 15:43:38 pmcgowan, feeling is introducing this back in means we divert focus from other critical bugs right now.. and we don't have a fix for this, and no obvious way to get one 15:43:51 Did i missunderstand that it sounds like we have a solution, but involves uploading binary modification.. Is this not a reasonable stop-gap? 15:44:51 is that a solution or a workaround? 15:45:02 how confident are we that there are not going to be other issues? 15:45:24 to me it just seems reality late and we might need to focus the resources on blocker issues next week 15:45:25 .. 15:46:20 sorry to arrive late 15:46:41 best result would be to fomrulate a real fix for LO or fontconfig once and for all 15:47:04 do you feel the current symptom is critical enough to not ship with? 15:47:51 we "just" don't have the medium weight 15:47:57 I think it's fine to defer 15:48:18 would we add the font back in SRU with a fix to LO? 15:48:42 it's not LO that needs to be fixed, but fontconfig 15:48:54 fine 15:49:21 I'm not sure that is something the SRU team would accept though 15:49:28 slangasek can maybe comment 15:49:44 pmcgowan, do you think it's important? SRU worth? 15:50:55 there are elements of the UI which never were able to match design because of this, and seems to me an issue that could be resolevd safely by SRU 15:51:17 it's nice that our quality situation is such that we can consider changes like this at this late game, but realistically, there are still other moving parts 15:51:17 Laney: I think it would have to be a sadfl in to do it as an SRU 15:51:23 you all know the history, its been 2 years and no fix to fontconfig 15:51:33 I think introducing this is too much churn 15:51:35 because that's not sanely regression-testable 15:52:00 let's ensure that we fix this properly in 13.10, get it banked early in 13.10, and move on 15:52:16 13.04? :-) 15:52:19 dang it 15:52:22 lol 15:52:25 :) 15:52:25 yeah 15:52:37 fine. Speaking of moving on: 15:52:38 .. 15:52:45 oh well 15:53:33 Thanks all, I think we have our plan for 12.10 and this issue, unless sabdfl wants to weigh in. 15:53:38 .. 15:54:04 anyone else have other critical bug issues to bring up to discuss before I end the meeting? 15:55:32 just want to say thank you to everyone involved for all the hard work and passion on getting 12.04 ready. 15:55:50 skaet, did you say anything wrong? 12.10 right? 15:55:51 and 12.10 too 15:55:54 that was 6 months ago :) 15:55:56 :) 15:56:01 :P 15:56:04 lol, my turn now. 15:56:07 someone forgot to update skeatbot 15:56:09 yes. 12.10 15:56:55 There will be a meeting next week, and then there will be a break until they start up for 13.04. 15:57:05 date for that is TBD. 15:57:19 Yay 15:57:58 Lets make 12.10 go out nice and with as much quality as we can squeeze in, over the next few days!! bug fixes still welcome. ;) 15:58:02 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)