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15:00:20 <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-10-05.
15:00:20 <skaet> Upcoming dates:
15:00:20 <skaet> 12.10
15:00:20 <skaet> 2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC
15:00:20 <skaet> 2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC
15:00:21 <skaet> 2012/10/11 - Release Candidate, and Release Note Content Freeze
15:00:23 <skaet> 2012/10/16 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze
15:00:25 <skaet> October 18 - 12.10 Release
15:00:27 <skaet> .
15:00:29 <skaet> Bugs:
15:00:31 <skaet> Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
15:00:34 <skaet> To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
15:00:37 <skaet> .
15:00:39 <skaet> Work Items:
15:00:41 <skaet> 2012/10/05 -  2997 (was 2997  - 2012/09/28):   Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status.  :)
15:00:44 <skaet> We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects.  Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
15:00:50 <skaet> .
15:00:52 <skaet> Thanks to those who sent in status emails,  if there are recent additions, could you please paste the link here in the channel,  since there weren�t that many when I checked earlier this morning...
15:00:55 <skaet> .
15:00:57 <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
15:00:59 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001997.html  - QA - plars
15:01:01 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001999.html - desktop - didrocks
15:01:03 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001996.html - security - mdeslaur
15:01:05 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002010.html  - HWCert - roadmr https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001998.html - kernel - ogasawara
15:01:08 <skaet> - ubuntu one
15:01:10 <skaet> - community - balloons
15:01:12 <skaet> - server - arosales
15:01:14 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002000.html - linaro - fabo
15:01:16 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002002.html - Unity - popey
15:01:20 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002008.html - foundations - ogra_
15:01:22 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu
15:01:24 <skaet> hmm... seem to have run into a buffer limit,  :P,  here's the rest
15:01:32 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002001.html  - kubuntu - RIddell
15:01:32 <skaet> - edubuntu - stgraber
15:01:32 <skaet> - xubuntu - knome
15:01:32 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002009.html- Ubuntu Studio - smartboyhw
15:01:35 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002003.html  - Lubuntu - gilir
15:01:41 <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
15:02:02 <highvoltage> skaet: stgraber and myself are at a hackfest so apologies for missing the Edubuntu notes
15:02:29 <highvoltage> skaet: afaict there wasn't something specifically noteworthy to report this week
15:02:50 <skaet> thanks highvoltage,   if there are issues,  bring it up today.  But glad things seem to be smooth.
15:03:23 <skaet> usual conventions apply,  please raise hand 'o/', if you have question.
15:03:23 <highvoltage> ok will do
15:03:26 <skaet> welcome everyone
15:03:36 <Riddell> hi
15:03:54 <skaet> we're entering the final push of bug fixes before we go into final freeze next Tuesday.
15:04:04 <seb128> skaet, (desktop -> I'm back from holidays so didrocks->-seb128)
15:04:27 <skaet> Thanks seb,  sorry about that on the summary.
15:04:36 <seb128> (np ;-)
15:04:47 <skaet> any other corrections or additons to the list of status?
15:04:58 <skaet> Daviey,  are you covering for arosales this week?
15:05:56 <skaet> hmm... while we wait to hear from Daviey (and find out if there are any concerns on the server side)
15:06:14 <skaet> want to know if anyone else has concerns not in the weekly status already they want to bring up?
15:06:21 <skaet> key bug fixes needed,  etc.?
15:06:22 <Daviey> skaet: yes
15:06:53 <skaet> Thanks Daviey,   what's on the radar to land between now and Final Freeze?   anything critical?
15:07:19 <Riddell> I've had a mysterious report of installs not finishing which I can't recreate - bug 1062180
15:07:21 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1062180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity won't finish installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062180
15:07:37 <Daviey> skaet: I would be expecting at least one more maas upload (on cd), and various openstack uploads (archive only)
15:08:03 <Daviey> There are a few bugs being caught at the moment, which are a little nasty
15:08:22 <skaet> ok.   we have mozilla decision (and possible upload)  on Tuesday next week.   Can you avoid it?
15:09:28 <skaet> ie.  can we get the maas issues mostly landed by EOD monday?
15:11:44 <skaet> Daviey, ^?
15:12:12 <Daviey> skaet: unlikely
15:12:36 <Daviey> skaet: I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of smallish things still trickling in towards the end of the week
15:13:14 <skaet> Daviey, we're spinning release candidates up on Thursday, so SRU time after tuesday (Final Freeze),  unless they are release critical.
15:13:21 <Daviey> right!
15:13:43 <skaet> ..
15:13:51 <Daviey> (thanks)
15:14:06 <Laney> is freeipmi in a position to be MIRed?
15:14:11 <skaet> plars, have you seen any sign of bug Riddell mentions?
15:14:17 <Laney> Daviey: ^
15:14:28 * plars looks
15:14:34 <plars> doesn't sound familiar
15:14:57 <skaet> Riddell,  anyone else able to confirm it?
15:15:25 <plars> I just finished up an amd64 installation a few minutes ago, and I know psivaa has done some this morning also, but we'll keep an eye out for it
15:15:31 <skaet> (and yeah if there is something weird going on, and its common,  nows the time to know ;) )
15:15:36 <Riddell> skaet: xnox had no initial ideas
15:15:37 <skaet> thanks plars.  :)
15:15:47 <jibel> plars, Riddell skaet sounds like bug 1059619
15:15:49 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1059619 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) "Installation hangs on: grub-mount /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/os-prober/mount" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059619
15:16:45 <Riddell> jibel: mm could be, I'll pass that to the reporter
15:17:07 <skaet> thanks jibel,  Riddell
15:17:10 <skaet> ..
15:17:13 <plars> jibel: you have a reliable way to reproduce?
15:17:37 <jibel> plars, yes my 2 laptops
15:18:09 <Daviey> Laney: it was in progress, checking state.. Needed one more fix.
15:20:21 <Daviey> (I'm sure it will be fixed today)
15:20:22 <Daviey> ..
15:21:04 <Laney> ok, just wondering as that component mismatch has been around for quite some time ..
15:21:53 <Daviey> .. but not forgot.
15:22:08 <skaet> ogra_, plars - how are the arm desktop and server test results looking?
15:22:20 <ogra_> pretty good i think
15:23:10 <plars> I'm looking at desktop right now
15:23:13 <plars> about to take a look at server
15:23:28 * ogra_ doesnt expect any regressions
15:23:46 <ogra_> it will be as speedy and blingy as it was in beta on desktop :)
15:23:47 <plars> I was just discussing an audio issue, and a keyboard issue with ogra_ but nothing affecting installation on desktop at the moment
15:24:12 <plars> for server, I had an issue with the keyboard not working at all, and I know that some people have reported that their hdmi monitor doesn't work on install with -server
15:24:16 <plars> mine works though
15:24:18 <skaet> plars,  thanks.   Can you send an update to your weekly status that summarizes the results of the testing on arm after you finish looking?  Want to make sure we all have a clean picture of what should be good, and what needs to be release noted.
15:24:38 <plars> skaet: yep
15:24:44 <skaet> thanks plars!  :)
15:24:46 <ogra_> plars, yeah, as paolo just said, kbd should be fixed ... wrt HDMI i would blame the monitors
15:24:48 * Daviey doesn't write regressive code.
15:25:09 * ogra_ knows there are still a few that dont work with the driver due to broken EDIDs
15:25:10 <ogra_> ..
15:25:15 <skaet> ..
15:26:18 <skaet> seb128,  are we likely to get a fix for fontconfig in next day or so,  so we can put ubuntu medium font back in?
15:27:10 <seb128> skaet, not that I know about, we don't have anyone in desktop who knows about fonts/fontconfig
15:27:15 <seb128> not sure if foundation,slangasek is looking at that
15:27:20 <Laney> there's a fontconfig fix needed?
15:27:36 <ogra_> longstanding ...
15:27:40 <seb128> Laney, the libreoffice issue seems to be a fontconfig issue
15:27:56 * skaet nods
15:28:03 <seb128> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=38737
15:28:38 <Laney> I thought somebody worked around that in the font itself
15:28:58 <slangasek> seb128: we don't have anyone in foundations who knows about fontconfig either
15:29:01 <seb128> (slangasek, sorry, I keep thinking  (wrongly) that you maintain fontconfig as well as freetype in Debian which is why I listed your name ;-)
15:29:05 <slangasek> :)
15:29:18 <seb128> Laney, who is working on the font?
15:29:28 <skaet> popey,  is thre anyone in your organization that can help here?
15:29:32 <seb128> Laney, well, Sweetshark wrote:
15:29:34 <seb128> "
15:29:34 <seb128> this seems not to be an issue in LibreOffice, but in fontconfig. If I read that
15:29:34 <seb128> bug right, it would need to be fixed either in fontconfig or workarounded in
15:29:34 <seb128> the Ubuntu font itself, but not in LibreOffice." "
15:30:06 <popey> skaet, we had one guy looking at it, but unfortunately had vacation before he could get to the bottom of it
15:30:06 <seb128> Laney, skaet: I've no clue who is in charge of the font or could "workaround in the font itself" there
15:30:12 <slangasek> seems to me that this should be reverted in the font then
15:30:19 <popey> then it was passed to Sweetshark to investigate
15:30:43 <slangasek> it seems very unlikely we're going to fix it on the software side before release
15:30:43 <popey> we have nobody internally who can work directly on the font - we have to contact DM
15:30:44 <seb128> popey, yeah, Sweetshark concluded that there is nothing libreoffice could do there
15:30:49 <popey> yeah
15:30:58 <seb128> and he has been fighting lo-appmenu stuff the whole week
15:31:10 <slangasek> popey: is there a compelling reason NOT to revert the medium change?
15:31:13 <popey> yes, he's busy, we were lucky to get a slice of him
15:31:18 <Laney> slangasek: it already has been
15:31:30 <slangasek> oh, then what's still outstanding for the release?
15:31:43 <Laney> putting it back
15:31:44 <slangasek> I thought this was only about the medium-weight font
15:31:44 <popey> we would like it in, that's all
15:31:45 <skaet> trying to get all the bugs fixed.
15:31:46 <seb128> slangasek, I think the sabdfl was pushing on the bug for us to resolve the issues and restore the font
15:31:47 <slangasek> ah
15:31:57 <popey> that's right
15:32:26 <seb128> I'm not sure how unhappy he and others are going to be if that's not the case...
15:32:47 <seb128> ..
15:33:21 <skaet> popey,  will you take it up with your management and see if we can come up with other options for getting this sorted?
15:33:29 <popey> yup
15:33:34 <skaet> Thanks popey
15:33:51 <Laney> one second
15:33:54 <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054204
15:33:55 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1054204 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu Quantal) "Libreoffice chooses incorrect font weight" [Undecided,Confirmed]
15:34:00 <Laney> That's the bug with the workaround
15:34:32 <Laney> but I understand that we don't have the preferred form for modification for the font, so the change had to be done some other way
15:36:02 <Laney> ..!
15:36:57 <skaet> Laney,  that looks to me like the workaround could be applied,  and we'd get by this impass.   Am I missing something?>
15:37:08 <seb128> we should probably defer to next cycle at this point
15:37:24 <Laney> skaet: I think he did some binary hacking to do it
15:37:29 <Laney> it's not really very satisfactory
15:37:30 <seb128> hey rickspencer3
15:37:37 <rickspencer3> hey seb128
15:37:44 <Laney> seb128: yeah, if that's an option then we should indeed
15:37:58 <seb128> I was asking rickspencer3 how problematic that is if we don't get the font in quantal
15:37:59 <Laney> we fixed the Qt side at least
15:38:16 <rickspencer3> hi
15:38:23 <Laney> ahoy
15:38:28 <skaet> rickspencer3, opinion?
15:38:28 <seb128> right, progress, it doesn't seem likely the libreoffice issue will be sorted out soon though...
15:38:47 <rickspencer3> I think it would be a shame not to include it after all that was invested in it, but it doesn't sound ready
15:38:50 <Laney> perhaps mirv could enlighten us about his fix
15:38:58 <Laney> it does seem a bit sad that we're not really able to modify the font
15:39:40 <rickspencer3> skaet, does that help?
15:40:12 <skaet> rickspencer3, yes it doesn't sound ready.   Any thoughts on ways we can get it ready in next few days?
15:40:37 <rickspencer3> skaet, not really, it just sounds too late to get it integrated
15:40:57 <rickspencer3> if it's not working with Libre Office when we drop it in, it just seems like we need to move on to release without it
15:41:02 <skaet> rickspencer3, ok.  putting it on the shelf then for R,  rather than introducing bugs into quantal.
15:41:19 <skaet> ..
15:41:27 <rickspencer3> if we start going around fixing this, fixing that, I fear we will get a cascade of knock on regressions
15:41:42 * skaet nods
15:41:49 <rickspencer3> this would distract us from perhaps fixing critical bugs
15:41:51 <rickspencer3> sorry
15:41:58 <rickspencer3> I just think we need to move on
15:41:58 <skaet> ..?
15:42:14 <rickspencer3> (sorry to the people who worked hard on it and are passionate about it, I mean)
15:42:30 <popey> sorry, asked pmcgowan to join us
15:43:38 <popey> pmcgowan, feeling is introducing this back in means we divert focus from other critical bugs right now.. and we don't have a fix for this, and no obvious way to get one
15:43:51 <Daviey> Did i missunderstand that it sounds like we have a solution, but involves uploading binary modification..  Is this not a reasonable stop-gap?
15:44:51 <seb128> is that a solution or a workaround?
15:45:02 <seb128> how confident are we that there are not going to be other issues?
15:45:24 <seb128> to me it just seems reality late and we might need to focus the resources on blocker issues next week
15:45:25 <seb128> ..
15:46:20 <pmcgowan> sorry to arrive late
15:46:41 <pmcgowan> best result would be to fomrulate a real fix for LO or fontconfig once and for all
15:47:04 <pmcgowan> do you feel the current symptom is critical enough to not ship with?
15:47:51 <Laney> we "just" don't have the medium weight
15:47:57 <Laney> I think it's fine to defer
15:48:18 <pmcgowan> would we add the font back in SRU with a fix to LO?
15:48:42 <Laney> it's not LO that needs to be fixed, but fontconfig
15:48:54 <pmcgowan> fine
15:49:21 <Laney> I'm not sure that is something the SRU team would accept though
15:49:28 <Laney> slangasek can maybe comment
15:49:44 <seb128> pmcgowan, do you think it's important? SRU worth?
15:50:55 <pmcgowan> there are elements of the UI which never were able to match design because of this, and seems to me an issue that could be resolevd safely by SRU
15:51:17 <rickspencer3> it's nice that our quality situation is such that we can consider changes like this at this late game, but realistically, there are still other moving parts
15:51:17 <slangasek> Laney: I think it would have to be a sadfl in to do it as an SRU
15:51:23 <pmcgowan> you all know the history, its been 2 years and no fix to fontconfig
15:51:33 <rickspencer3> I think introducing this is too much churn
15:51:35 <slangasek> because that's not sanely regression-testable
15:52:00 <rickspencer3> let's ensure that we fix this properly in 13.10, get it banked early in 13.10, and move on
15:52:16 <Laney> 13.04? :-)
15:52:19 <rickspencer3> dang it
15:52:22 <rickspencer3> lol
15:52:25 <skaet> :)
15:52:25 <rickspencer3> yeah
15:52:37 <Laney> fine. Speaking of moving on:
15:52:38 <Laney> ..
15:52:45 <pmcgowan> oh well
15:53:33 <skaet> Thanks all,  I think we have our plan for 12.10 and this issue, unless sabdfl wants to weigh in.
15:53:38 <skaet> ..
15:54:04 <skaet> anyone else have other critical bug issues to bring up to discuss before I end the meeting?
15:55:32 <skaet> just want to say thank you to everyone involved for all the hard work and passion on getting 12.04 ready.
15:55:50 <smartboyhw> skaet, did you say anything wrong? 12.10 right?
15:55:51 <ogra_> and 12.10 too
15:55:54 <Riddell> that was 6 months ago :)
15:55:56 <ogra_> :)
15:56:01 <smartboyhw> :P
15:56:04 <skaet> lol,  my turn now.
15:56:07 <rickspencer3> someone forgot to update skeatbot
15:56:09 <skaet> yes.  12.10
15:56:55 <skaet> There will be a meeting next week,  and then there will be a break until they start up for 13.04.
15:57:05 <skaet> date for that is TBD.
15:57:19 <smartboyhw> Yay
15:57:58 <skaet> Lets make 12.10 go out nice and with as much quality as we can squeeze in, over the next few days!!   bug fixes still welcome.  ;)
15:58:02 <skaet> #endmeeting