17:02:21 <czajkowski> #startmeeting 17:02:21 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct 4 17:02:21 2012 UTC. The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:02:21 <meetingology> 17:02:21 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:02:27 <czajkowski> aloha and welcome to the CC meeting 17:02:40 * pleia2 waves 17:02:41 <czajkowski> just waiting on some CC folks to join and we shall continue shortly 17:03:08 <czajkowski> #topic Kubuntu Council Catch up 17:03:31 <czajkowski> so who's here from the CC ? 17:03:41 <beuno> o/ 17:03:53 <dholbach> I am, sort of 17:03:56 <pleia2> :) 17:04:01 <dholbach> still busy with the Ubuntu 24h crazyness marathon 17:04:02 <czajkowski> ok then 17:04:20 <czajkowski> so Kubuntu council, thanks for coming along, how are things going with you guys these days ? 17:04:40 <Riddell> well mixed 17:04:55 <Riddell> you'll know that canonical dropped us as a supported flavour earlier this year 17:05:00 * pleia2 nods 17:05:26 <Riddell> the announcement for that was handled really badly by canonical 17:05:59 <pleia2> yeah, it was very confusing for a lot of people 17:06:01 <Riddell> the only communication to the kubuntu community was an e-mail which would be great for any politician, managed to say nothing about what was happening 17:06:13 <JontheEchidna> (I suppose those of us here from KC should also wave) 17:06:36 <Riddell> and they changed the message about support for 12.04 which I had to read about in someone blog comments 17:06:46 <pleia2> :\ 17:06:47 <Riddell> so that was pretty disappointing treatment of the community 17:07:08 <beuno> right 17:07:11 <Darkwing> I'm still recieving some wonderful comments based on that. 17:07:17 <czajkowski> nods was this brought up in the last meeting I think ? 17:07:22 <beuno> Riddell, and you feel that hasn't been "fixed"> 17:07:29 <czajkowski> this is the 2nd time we've meet wtih kubuntu council. 17:07:42 <beuno> s/>/? 17:07:55 <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" it. It may be "water under the bridge" at this point. 17:08:12 <JontheEchidna> it's hard to re-do a press announcement ;-) 17:08:17 <beuno> indeed 17:08:26 <beuno> so what do things look like moving forward? 17:08:42 <Riddell> now we have a company who wants to sponsor us by providing a the support service canonical dropped 17:08:53 <Riddell> and I get e-mails from people asking for just this 17:09:05 <Riddell> but they've been in discussions with canonical since april and it still hasn't happened 17:09:13 <Riddell> so that feels really frustrating 17:09:38 <Darkwing> From the community standpoint, people are asking if Canonical is stalling because they still "own" kubuntu 17:09:42 <JontheEchidna> when you say "it still hasn't happened", you are referring to discussions between the company wanting to provide support, and canonical? 17:09:46 <Darkwing> That's the reaction I have recieved. 17:09:54 <beuno> yeah, of course 17:10:04 <beuno> nothing moving forward, no communication 17:10:05 <Riddell> if canonical don't want to support kubuntu I get that (they have to make money) but now they're stopping the community from being able to do useful things 17:10:11 <beuno> doesn't benefit anyone 17:10:11 <JontheEchidna> e.g. canonical saying, "yes, you can provide support for kubuntu"? 17:10:28 <Riddell> JontheEchidna: right, it's their agreement is moving forward but at a snails pace 17:10:30 <czajkowski> Riddell: who have you been dealing with in Canonical? 17:10:34 <Riddell> I'm told there's only 1 issue left to go 17:10:40 <czajkowski> I think we the CC can chase up on this if needed. 17:10:45 <beuno> Riddell, JontheEchidna, Darkwing, we'll chase this up 17:10:47 <beuno> right 17:10:48 <beuno> :) 17:10:54 <Riddell> czajkowski: amanda and steve george 17:11:28 <beuno> k, we'll get on the case and let you guys know 17:11:38 <beuno> this seems the worst of all situations 17:11:46 <Darkwing> This conversation started at last UDS. IMO, this is killing our community of support. 17:12:21 <Riddell> actually it started before then, UDS was when we finally got a meeting 17:12:23 <beuno> of course, uncertainty is terrible for businesses 17:12:33 <Darkwing> Not to mention the trust of the community of Ubuntu/Canonical (They are being lumped into one at this point 17:12:36 <Darkwing> ) 17:13:07 <czajkowski> Darkwing: I can understand that, it might have been an idea to have pinged the CC in the mean time if there was a delay 17:13:19 <Darkwing> Of course, I've been out of the daily loop the last 3 months. 17:13:20 <czajkowski> we dont have any control over the Canonical communications but could have chased up on things before now 17:13:46 <pleia2> yeah, always feel free to come to us :) 17:13:58 <pleia2> I'm glad we have these catchup meetings though, good to catch stuff like this 17:14:06 <Riddell> there's no deliberate attempt to restrict kubuntu there, but we're so low down on the priority list it just doesn't get done 17:14:13 <Riddell> another issue is getting sysadmin to update the website 17:14:25 <pleia2> yeah, I saw that ticket from August the other day 17:14:29 <Darkwing> :) 17:14:32 <pleia2> have you followed up with them on IRC? 17:14:46 <Riddell> I don't know who to ping any more 17:15:10 <dholbach> the people in #canonical-sysadmin should be able to help 17:15:12 <pleia2> in #canonical-sysadmin they always have a "vanguard" in the topic 17:15:15 <dholbach> on freenode 17:15:17 <czajkowski> Riddell: like all RTs #canonical-sysadmin in freenode 17:15:27 <Riddell> I'd rather just move off canonical's web servers but I know that'll end up in another months long issue of getting it approved 17:15:28 <pleia2> they'll be the active one at the time (best to ask during weekdays) 17:16:06 <Riddell> I guess I'll try that 17:16:17 <czajkowski> Riddell: do you have an RT number ? 17:16:26 <Riddell> https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=20296 17:16:29 <czajkowski> there is a vanguard on there all days at least and even some weekends 17:16:33 <beuno> Riddell, how about filing an RT to move the domain off of canonical? it will at least be a food place to document and discuss 17:17:19 <Riddell> beuno: one thing at a time! I don't want to distract them! 17:17:32 <beuno> heh 17:17:35 <pleia2> :) 17:17:43 <beuno> smart man 17:17:58 <czajkowski> does ayone else from the council have any other comments 17:18:08 <czajkowski> I've just pinged somone in the IS channel to follow up on the RT 17:18:19 <pleia2> the quetzal+kubuntu logo from that beta post is so great 17:18:36 <Riddell> for the coming UDS I don't know what track to put specs into or who will accept the specs for UDS 17:18:47 <Riddell> czajkowski: you mean someone other than me moaning :) 17:19:05 <czajkowski> Riddell: no I just mean someone elses view as well 17:19:07 <czajkowski> if they want 17:19:10 <czajkowski> it's an open meeting 17:19:20 <Darkwing> Just from my observations in the Kubuntu community 17:19:35 <Darkwing> This is still teh biggest issue 17:19:41 * pleia2 nods 17:19:50 <Darkwing> Because our hands are completly tied. 17:19:59 <beuno> yeah, I'm really sorry to hear we're still in this situation 17:20:19 <Darkwing> Canonical severed the buisness situation and then we are not allowed to fix it yet. 17:20:45 <sabdfl> hi folks 17:20:50 <Darkwing> Hey Mark 17:21:00 <czajkowski> 18:19 < deej> czajkowski: I'll give the score a bump on it 17:21:00 <czajkowski> 18:19 < deej> It's not a big deal but it's not a five minute thing either 17:21:03 <czajkowski> 18:19 < czajkowski> deej: can you give me an ETA rougly please :) 17:21:04 <shadeslayer> hi :) 17:21:06 <czajkowski> 18:20 < deej> czajkowski: Is it urgent enough that it should take precedence over release stuff? 17:21:09 <czajkowski> 18:20 < czajkowski> not over release stuff no 17:21:12 <czajkowski> 18:20 < czajkowski> but is high as it's reported a few months ago 17:21:14 <czajkowski> 18:20 < deej> Okay, so I'll score it so it should happen pretty much immediately post-release 17:21:17 <czajkowski> so the RT ticket will be looked into 17:21:20 <czajkowski> and again if there are other RTs that need to be followed up on please jsut ask 17:21:34 <Darkwing> So, August RT is not going to be looked at for another month? 17:21:43 <pleia2> release is in 2 weeks :) 17:21:53 <Riddell> that means we'll have out of date content on the website for the release 17:22:00 <Darkwing> Riddell: +1 17:22:58 <beuno> as for UDS 17:22:59 <czajkowski> well we;re in a better place than we were 10 mins ago 17:23:06 <Riddell> yep, thanks 17:23:16 <beuno> Riddell, wouldn't you follow the same process as x/lubuntu? 17:23:31 <Riddell> beuno: I don't know what that is 17:23:47 <beuno> dholbach, you look like a persona who does know! 17:24:23 <beuno> or maybe jono is around? 17:24:32 <jono> hey 17:24:36 <dholbach> beuno, we're in a hangout on air 17:24:37 <beuno> \o/ 17:24:52 <dholbach> beuno, which xubuntu/lubuntu process were you referring to? 17:25:03 <beuno> 17:18 < Riddell> for the coming UDS I don't know what track to put specs into or who will accept the specs for UDS 17:25:04 <jono> what can I help with? 17:25:06 <beuno> dholbach, ^ 17:25:09 <Darkwing> jcastro... just ask Jorge :D 17:25:45 <jono> Riddell, just put them on the logical tracks (E.g. Desktop for KDE related topics, Foundations for lower level bits, Community for governance) 17:25:52 <jono> and ask the track leads to ensure they get scheduled 17:25:58 <dholbach> beuno, ah sorry - I must have missed that bit - if you choose Desktop, it might help to have a chat with Jason Warner before and if you choose 'other' I think it was Kate in the past 17:26:52 <jono> there will be no Other track this time 17:26:54 <jono> we removed it 17:26:56 <dholbach> ah ok 17:26:59 <jono> we might need to update the website 17:27:40 <dholbach> I'll make a note 17:28:20 <Riddell> I think I'm out of moans :) 17:29:41 <Riddell> oh I forsee issues if ubuntu gets rid of alpha and beta milestones but that's a technical issue rather than community 17:29:55 <pleia2> yeah 17:30:28 <xnox> Riddell: release management was under "other" track last time... wasn't it?! 17:30:44 <Riddell> xnox: yes, dunno what track that'll be this time 17:30:50 <xnox> Riddell: plus there will be feedback from R session where I think that will come up =) 17:33:23 <Riddell> czajkowski: any other questions? 17:33:52 <czajkowski> Riddell: can you please let the CC know the exact outstanding issue that you are wating to hear back on, either here or via email please so we can follow up on this 17:34:10 <dholbach> how is the actual work on Kubuntu coming on? do you have new contributors helping out? 17:35:30 <Riddell> we seem to have a good number of contributors, not sure we're doing as good at recruitment as we have done 17:35:53 <dholbach> I saw a couple of folks who might be ready for upload rights :) 17:36:09 <dholbach> I'll reach out to them again - maybe they'll need encouragement from others as well :) 17:36:17 <Riddell> yeah that would be good 17:36:34 <dholbach> I'll let you know how it goes :) 17:37:57 <Riddell> czajkowski: ok I'll send an e-mail 17:38:14 <czajkowski> Riddell: thank you 17:39:33 <dholbach> apart from recruitment - do you think the kubuntu community is working out fine generally? just in terms of getting things done? 17:40:38 <Riddell> dholbach: for distro development yes I think so 17:41:21 <dholbach> ok great 17:41:24 <dholbach> that's good to know 17:42:05 * JontheEchidna agrees 17:42:19 * shadeslayer agree as well :) 17:42:48 <shadeslayer> while we could always do with more people, we're managing well 17:43:49 <czajkowski> any other comments folks ? 17:44:16 <beuno> none from me 17:44:36 <dholbach> no, I think I'm all set as well 17:44:53 <JontheEchidna> all set here 17:45:07 <pleia2> thanks for joining us :) 17:45:13 <Riddell> thanks for inviting us 17:45:25 <czajkowski> thanks folks for coming along 17:45:29 <czajkowski> #endmeeting