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15:00:32 <highvoltage> o/
15:00:36 * stgraber waves
15:00:36 <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-09-28
15:00:37 <skaet> .
15:00:37 <skaet> Upcoming dates:
15:00:37 <skaet> 12.10
15:00:37 <skaet> 2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC
15:00:37 <skaet> 2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC
15:00:39 <skaet> 2012/10/11 - Release Candidate, and Release Note Content Freeze
15:00:43 <skaet> 2012/10/16 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze
15:00:45 <skaet> October 18 - 12.10 Release
15:00:47 <skaet> .
15:00:49 <skaet> Bugs:
15:00:51 <skaet> Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
15:00:54 <skaet> To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
15:00:57 <skaet> .
15:01:11 <skaet> Work Items:
15:01:11 <skaet> 2012/09/21 -  2997 (was 2996  - 2012/09/21):   Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status.  :)
15:01:11 <skaet> We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects.  Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
15:01:12 <skaet> .
15:01:14 <skaet> Thanks to those who sent in status emails,  could you please paste the link here in the channel,  since there weren�t that many when I checked earlier this morning...
15:01:17 <skaet> ..
15:01:32 <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
15:02:16 <skaet> Thank you to the release team and QA team and flavor leads for everyone�s hard work on getting all the late features landed, and tested,  and out the door for Beta2.
15:02:34 <skaet> Now entering the last window for bug fixing before we release 12.10.  Any questions on upcoming dates/schedule above?
15:02:47 <ogra_> foundations status - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001962.html (ogra)
15:03:05 <ogra_> err
15:03:07 <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Studio: No:P
15:03:20 <ogra_> sorry, old link
15:03:23 <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-September/001986.html
15:03:34 <skaet> thanks ogra_,  I'll add the links to the agenda from ubuntu-release as we get them in.
15:03:50 <skaet> (or likely from the mail list ;) )
15:04:06 <jbicha> \o
15:04:17 <skaet> go jbicha
15:04:34 <jbicha> .. (I was just waving)
15:04:39 <skaet> welcome :)
15:04:39 <smartboyhw> :)
15:04:41 <seb128> jbicha, hey ;-)
15:04:51 <skaet> any one else have their links handy or questions?
15:05:21 <ogra_> o/
15:05:23 <skaet> ogra_,  is it just new review blocking pam-xdg-support?
15:05:35 <ogra_> skaet, as i understood it, yeah
15:05:49 <seb128> it seems to have been NEW reviewed
15:05:53 <doko> skaet, built now in q, needs a MIR
15:05:54 <seb128> the binaries are installable
15:06:04 <seb128> (I installed it here)
15:06:09 <ogra_> doesnt the FFe serve as MIR too ?
15:06:22 * ogra_ thought the bits were on the bug
15:06:29 <seb128> no, FFe don't do code reviews nor security reviews I think
15:06:35 <skaet> jdstrand, mdeslaur - is there anything missing for pam-xdg-support?
15:06:36 <doko> I don't think so
15:06:52 * xnox 0/
15:07:26 <mdeslaur> skaet: did it get a MIR?
15:07:56 <mdeslaur> skaet: unless one has already been performed, it should go through the MIR process and get a security audit
15:08:02 <doko> mdeslaur, it looks fine for me, however I'd like to have the security team have a look
15:08:03 <skaet> ogra_,  can you handle?
15:08:22 <skaet> getting the MIR filed, so we can unblock this one?
15:08:30 <ogra_> skaet, i'll poke slangasek ... but i thought there was MIR data in the FFe bu already
15:08:35 <ogra_> *bug
15:08:54 <skaet> mdeslaur, can you guys do a security review on it today?
15:09:04 <jdstrand> I cannot
15:09:08 <mdeslaur> skaet: what's the bug #?
15:09:10 <jdstrand> I could do it monday
15:09:11 <seb128> it's 300 lines of code
15:09:16 <seb128> so shouldn't be too hard
15:09:35 <jdstrand> well, it's pam. it's always hard
15:09:47 <seb128> right, I was going to add a note about that ;-)
15:09:52 <ogra_> bug 894391
15:09:53 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 894391 in mountall (Ubuntu Quantal) "[FFe] support $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894391
15:10:11 <skaet> jdstrand,  thanks.  if someone else can't get it through today,  would be good to do it as soon as possible on monday.   Want this landing before we go into desktop infrastructure freeze.
15:10:43 <jdstrand> might I just add, once again, that late landing code like this is hard to deal with?
15:10:47 <skaet> (if its ok to go in ;) )
15:10:59 <skaet> jdstrand,  no argument from me.
15:11:12 <ogra_> jdstrand, foundations is aware and is sorry ... and will buy you beer at UDS :)
15:12:00 <jdstrand> heh, well, at least someone from the security team
15:12:09 <skaet> :)
15:12:19 <skaet> .. on this one I think.
15:12:50 <ogra_> o/
15:12:53 <skaet> any other urgent FFE's or bug fixes that need help left,  or have we pretty much quiesced?
15:12:59 <skaet> go ogra
15:13:06 <skaet> go ogra_
15:13:17 * skaet goofed up her auto complete
15:13:32 <ogra_> popey, have the compiz bits (and its rdeps) been tested against arm this time (last abi bump i had to spend three days to fix them)
15:13:51 <popey> ogra_, not yet, only landed in a ppa a couple of hours ago
15:13:58 <ogra_> (though that was simply because the packagind had s/arm/foo/ across the board)
15:14:22 <ogra_> popey, but they will ? or do i need to plan to keep time available for it ?
15:14:43 <popey> hmm, my team has no arm hardware capable of testing compiz right now
15:14:52 <popey> so help needed there
15:14:53 <popey> ..
15:15:10 <skaet> plars, balloons, ^ can you help popey
15:15:11 <ogra_> but you at least do build tests (and take a look at the logs if GLES was enabled ?)
15:15:53 <ogra_> popey, that would already help a lot ...
15:16:20 <plars> I'm gone until tuesday of next week, but we may have someone else who can give it a try.  if we need to pull it from the ppa just shoot us a link and we can help take a look
15:16:23 <ogra_> (last time the world was built for GL ... which is clearly visible in the logs for example)
15:16:34 <popey> ogra_, ok, I'll add that to our testing.
15:16:37 <popey> thanks!
15:16:38 <ogra_> thx
15:16:38 <popey> ..
15:16:39 <ogra_> ..
15:17:24 <skaet> before we move on,  just want to check that everyone is ok with the dates I pasted at the start of the meeting?
15:17:43 <smartboyhw> :)
15:17:46 <ogra_> thats all *next month* !
15:17:54 <ogra_> so far away :)
15:17:55 <skaet> we're pretty compressed time wise
15:18:23 <skaet> popey,  seb128 are you going to be ok holding to the desktop infrastructure freeze next Thursday?  (happens with the kernel freeze)
15:18:53 <skaet> ogasawara, is the kernel freeze on track?
15:19:00 <seb128> skaet, should be fine
15:19:05 <popey> yes
15:19:07 <seb128> compiz updates is planned on monday
15:19:08 <ogasawara> ogasawara: yep, planned for next week
15:19:10 <seb128> and unity on wednesday
15:19:28 <skaet> thanks seb128, popey, ogasawara
15:19:49 <skaet> doko,  no other toolchain uploads to worry about?
15:20:23 <doko> the only toolchain uploads I do worry about are glib2.0, gtk, and qt
15:21:51 <seb128> glib and gtk got updated to the GNOME 3.6 stable version so no change expected for those
15:22:48 <skaet> doko,  what's the issue with glib2.0?   I've seen several bug fixes go in for it recently, but not sure what's outstanding.
15:23:08 <skaet> and what's left with qt?
15:24:03 <doko> skaet, I see it's now built on arm after the fifth upload, so probably it's ok. however qt4-x11 didn't build yet on arm, and webkit fails. likely a launchpad issue, Laney is trying to work around it
15:24:31 <skaet> doko,  thanks.  will keep eye open then for it.
15:24:48 <Laney> ahoy
15:24:59 <Laney> waiting for post-b2 skew to sort itself out so that I can test webkit locally
15:25:30 <skaet> thanks Laney.
15:26:32 <Laney> cautiously optimistic
15:26:41 <Laney> providing someone toolchainy lets the make patch in
15:27:41 <doko> Laney, could you at least forward this upstream?
15:27:48 <doko> if it's not yet there ...
15:28:20 <Laney> I think it was
15:28:26 <Laney> I'll try to find the reference
15:28:33 <Laney> it's certainly not applied though
15:30:38 <skaet> ..?
15:30:41 <Laney> doko: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-make/2009-07/msg00012.html is what I can come up with ATM
15:30:49 <Laney> yes, we can discuss this elsewhere
15:30:50 <Laney> sorry
15:31:04 <skaet> no worries.   good to get it resolved.
15:31:08 <skaet> seb128, popey - there are a couple of critical bugs on the tracking list.  At least one is stale (I recognize it, and will mark it fix released ;) )  Could you both take a pass at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html ? and make sure all the criticals either have a 12.10 date or quantal-updates beside them,  so we can make sure we're focusing on the right things for the next wee
15:31:08 <skaet> k?
15:31:49 <seb128> skaet, it's on my todo for today, sorry I got a behind this week catching up after holidays and with beta2
15:32:06 <popey> thanks seb128
15:32:07 <ogra_> they let you do holidays ?!?
15:32:07 <skaet> ogra_,  if foundations could do the same,  it would help make sure we're all focusing on the important bigs,  since those lists are rather long.
15:32:17 <ogra_> yup
15:32:57 <seb128> ogra_, yeah, not sure what they were thinking :p
15:33:02 <ogra_> :)
15:33:14 <skaet> ogasawara,  and kernel team is the champ of the long list right now...  ;)
15:33:38 <ogra_> yeah, we should go without kernels, they always have bugs :)
15:33:56 <ogasawara> ogra_: +1 :)
15:34:02 <Daviey> hurd++
15:34:08 <ogasawara> skaet: I think that's due to the CVE's which we've discussed earlier
15:34:08 <popey> That's it, I'm switching to GNU/Hurd!
15:34:08 <ogra_> thats also a kernel
15:34:37 <skaet> anyhow,  will be using that list exclusively for the next couple of weeks to make sure the important fixes land in 12.10 - so if you have bug fix that needs to land, but is not on that list,  please let me know and I'll help sort.
15:35:04 <skaet> ogasawara, yeah,  that's it mostly,  but for the high/criticals - would be good to know what will land this week, and what's definitely SRU teritory
15:35:14 <ogasawara> skaet: ack
15:36:13 <skaet> Daviey,  arosales -  there's one critical that seems stalled, but is on the list - wanting to know if its really critical, and likely to land?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1026102
15:36:14 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1026102 in Ubuntu Quantal "Openstack provider does not validate https certs" [Critical,New]
15:37:43 <skaet> anyhow,  if we can have a nice crisp list by next Thursday,  would very much appreciate,  since there's only a couple of days after that until final freeze.
15:38:15 <skaet> ....
15:39:07 * skaet will be continuing to ping out of band on these for the next week or two...
15:40:01 <Daviey> skaet: looking
15:40:12 <skaet> Riddell, ScottK, knome, stgraber, highvoltage, scott-work, gilir, ogra_, infinity - please review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest and make sure all the last changes for your images are there.
15:40:38 <skaet> in particular for gilir,  does lubuntu still want to carry alternate images?
15:40:46 <Daviey> skaet: will follow u, thanks
15:40:49 <stgraber> skaet: edubuntu looks good
15:41:06 <gilir> skaet, yes
15:41:20 <ogra_> arm looks fine too
15:42:24 <skaet> thanks,  ok,  please sign the manifest in the "Target" column by entering the date.  :)
15:43:06 <skaet> other topic...   for same audience ;)
15:43:11 <skaet> Riddell, ScottK, knome, stgraber, highvoltage, scott-work, gilir, ogra_, infinity - could you please review the test cases on the iso tracker for your flavors/community ports - and make sure they are accurate for the mandatory/run once/optional?   For the release we will be aiming for 100% coverage.   Please work with balloons to adjust any testcases, if necessary, before October 4, 2012.
15:43:11 * smartboyhw thinks there will be edit conflict:P
15:43:28 * skaet is old hand at resolving edit conflicts,  don't worry.
15:43:32 <smartboyhw> LOL
15:43:40 <ogra_> skaet, k
15:43:55 <cjwatson> skaet: we're hammering rls-q-tracking pretty hard at the moment FWIW - it's down about 12 or so over the last two days
15:43:59 <balloons> :-) yes, the mandatory/run-once/optional are important
15:44:51 <skaet> cjwatson,  thank you.  :)
15:45:03 <cjwatson> (and we have no actual critical-priority bugs there right now)
15:45:16 <skaet> *\o/*
15:45:55 <ScottK> o/
15:46:10 <skaet> keep up the good work.   other teams,   feel free to be competitive in terms of getting most fixes in ;)
15:46:24 <skaet> and all critical bugs off the list.
15:46:30 <skaet> go ScottK
15:46:54 <ScottK> I've started to be very skeptical of UIFe requests for things that are just tweaks/new functions.
15:47:23 <ScottK> I think we should do that generally as people need to be focused on fixing stuff and not wouldn't it be nice if ...  ideas.
15:47:43 <ScottK> I've also starting saying no to nice to have FFe's too.
15:47:48 <ScottK> ..
15:48:50 <skaet> ScottK,  agreed.   We're out of time for nice to haves.
15:49:28 <skaet> yesterday's UIFe has a quote from Mark that makes that point as well,  I think.  from a UIFe perspective at least.
15:50:35 <skaet> any one else have comment?  questions?
15:50:48 <skaet> or are we pretty much at the end of the meeting now?
15:50:56 <ScottK> Do we know where we are on the https change for shopping?
15:51:05 <ScottK> That's more than slightly essential.
15:51:30 <skaet> I thought I saw that Laney approved it already,  but haven't double checked it this morning.
15:51:46 <skaet> seb128, ^ any update?
15:52:08 <seb128> let me check
15:52:09 <Laney> it's merged
15:52:36 <Laney> we should probably cherry-pick it into the distro
15:52:59 <skaet> please
15:53:09 <seb128> there is an update planned for next week
15:53:22 <seb128> do you prefer than to go earlier?
15:53:28 <Laney> definitely
15:53:28 <seb128> e.g to try to land it today?
15:53:39 <Laney> is the server ready?
15:54:15 <skaet> if we can pull the pieces together.  more time we have to shake it down, better it will be.
15:54:26 <seb128> Laney, server is ready
15:54:38 <Laney> OK, I'll upload it shortly then
15:54:39 <seb128> skaet, Laney: I will have a go at backporting it today
15:54:40 <Laney> oh
15:54:43 <Laney> even better :P
15:54:47 <seb128> Laney, or do you want to do it?
15:54:52 <skaet> Thanks seb128 !  :)
15:54:55 <Laney> no preference
15:54:55 <seb128> yw
15:56:17 <skaet> ..
15:56:22 <ScottK> The only other thing that I thought was really essential was the online search privacy change and I approved that yesterday and I see bits of it are landing.
15:56:23 <skaet> #endmeeting