#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by s-fox at 21:00:15 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-22-21.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == *ubuntuforums fc meeting ''IDEA:'' Wubi forums vs. Prefix ? (s-fox, 21:01:28) ''IDEA:'' wubi prefix vs forums (s-fox, 21:01:54) *wubi prefix vs forums ? (s-fox, 21:03:05) *test (s-fox, 21:04:01) *wubi prefix vs subforum *Tutorials and Tips Forum *Human verification questions - follow up to changes *Forum Upgrade *Rethink forum home page layout ''LINK:'' http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12149766&postcount=19 (elfy, 21:54:58) ''ACTION:'' Iowan to carry on with announcement (s-fox, 22:01:03) ''ACTION:'' Elfy first contact in RC (s-fox, 22:01:19) ''ACTION:'' cariboo907 to do the emails (s-fox, 22:01:30) ''ACTION:'' coffeecat to do the welcome pm (s-fox, 22:01:44) ''ACTION:'' s-fox to sit pretty as ever :) (s-fox, 22:01:58) ''ACTION:'' s-fox to do the report (s-fox, 22:02:26) ''ACTION:'' elfy to email castro (s-fox, 22:17:19) Meeting ended at 22:20:28 UTC. == Votes == * move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? For: 2 Against: 1 Abstained: 2 * create wubi subforum For: 0 Against: 5 Abstained: 0 * close tut's and tips , create new forum For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 1 * close tut's and tips NOT archive For: 2 Against: 1 Abstained: 2 * someone get in touch with castro for an update For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 * archive tut's and tips For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 1 * Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 1 * keep the prefix For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * Iowan to carry on with announcement * Elfy first contact in RC * cariboo907 to do the emails * coffeecat to do the welcome pm * s-fox to sit pretty as ever :) * s-fox to do the report * elfy to email castro == Action items, by person == * cariboo907 ** cariboo907 to do the emails * coffeecat ** coffeecat to do the welcome pm * elfy ** elfy to email castro * Iowan ** Iowan to carry on with announcement * s-fox ** s-fox to sit pretty as ever :) ** s-fox to do the report == People present (lines said) == * s-fox (159) * meetingology (92) * elfy (82) * Iowan (61) * cariboo907 (57) * coffeecat (55) * bkerensa (28) * TheLordOfTime (4) == Full Log == 21:00:15 #startmeeting 21:00:15 Meeting started Sat Sep 22 21:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:00:15 21:00:15 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 21:00:34 #voters elfy coffeecat Iowan cariboo907 s-fox 21:00:34 Current voters: Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy s-fox 21:00:52 New command? 21:00:59 #topic ubuntuforums fc meeting 21:01:00 * Iowan likes 21:01:28 #idea Wubi forums vs. Prefix ? 21:01:39 odd 21:01:54 #idea wubi prefix vs forums 21:02:09 okay, that is weird 21:02:10 lol 21:02:37 anyone know why that isn't working ? 21:02:43 topic? 21:02:58 no idea 21:03:05 #subtopic wubi prefix vs forums ? 21:03:06 how about sub-topic? 21:03:38 hmm 21:03:53 #meetingtopic 21:04:01 #subtopic test 21:04:02 do you have to be chair to run it? 21:04:09 chair? (guessing wildly) 21:04:10 i am the chair 21:04:18 Meeting started Sat Sep 22 21:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:04:43 #topic wubi prefix vs subforum 21:04:50 ahah, okay go with it ;) 21:04:51 THERE! 21:04:54 :) 21:04:57 yaaay 21:05:13 Are we rusty??? 21:05:16 basically bodhi was getting at having a subforum for wubi, rather than a prefix 21:05:24 I say prefix only 21:05:34 was brought up by rubi I believe 21:05:44 I see no need for a new sub forum 21:05:49 i know we discussed it earlier so can we skip to the vote? 21:05:51 Rubi was keen - I don't think many others were. 21:06:14 i am neutral at best. more inclined to leave things as they are are, with just the prefix 21:06:22 is it worth tabling? 21:06:48 everyone okay with going to a vote ? 21:06:53 vote... 21:06:56 Yes 21:07:00 yes 21:07:09 yes 21:07:16 #vote create wubi subforum 21:07:16 Please vote on: create wubi subforum 21:07:16 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:07:19 -1 21:07:19 -1 received from s-fox 21:07:22 -1 21:07:22 -1 received from coffeecat 21:07:23 -1 21:07:23 -1 received from cariboo907 21:07:25 -1 21:07:25 -1 received from elfy 21:07:28 -1 for now. 21:07:28 -1 for now. received from Iowan 21:07:33 #endvote 21:07:33 Voting ended on: create wubi subforum 21:07:33 Votes for:0 Votes against:5 Abstentions:0 21:07:33 Motion denied 21:07:53 #vote keep the prefix 21:07:53 Please vote on: keep the prefix 21:07:53 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:07:55 +1 21:07:55 +1 received from s-fox 21:07:57 +1 21:07:57 +1 received from elfy 21:08:02 +1 21:08:02 +1 received from coffeecat 21:08:03 +1 21:08:03 +1 received from Iowan 21:08:04 +1 21:08:04 +1 received from cariboo907 21:08:13 #endvote 21:08:13 Voting ended on: keep the prefix 21:08:13 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:08:13 Motion carried 21:08:28 #agreed Leave things as they are for wubi 21:08:39 hmmm, le sigh 21:08:57 #agree leave things as they are for wubi 21:09:04 fine, be that way ;) 21:09:17 (more research...) 21:09:27 coffeecat, has an item about Tutorials and Tips Forum 21:09:30 #topic Tutorials and Tips Forum 21:09:30 bug time? 21:09:47 it is listed as a valid command cariboo907 , as is subtopic to be fair 21:10:06 coffeecat, you have the floor :) 21:10:08 I know, I've got the page up too 21:10:14 Elfy really needs to take the lead, but I was wondering if it was time to rename the T&T forum, new sticky, etc. 21:11:05 what would you want to rename it to coffeecat ? 21:11:09 Something like wiki page discussion? 21:11:14 I'm neutral/stupid on this one - educate me 21:11:19 i am fairly neutral, but can see a point to it 21:11:41 Something like Wiki Tutorials discussion forum? 21:11:48 given that we want to stop posting in there and move to wiki - I'd prefer to see the tutes forums closed to new posts and a new one created for discussions - people don't read the stickies and still send things to the moderation queue 21:11:50 obvious question:why should it be renamed ? 21:12:06 It's no longer for tutorials 21:12:16 Only discussions about wiki tutes 21:12:50 excatly 21:12:51 I'm +1 for Elfy's suggestion for new forum + close old one. 21:13:06 +1 to elfy 's suggestion too 21:13:07 HOWTO discussions ? 21:13:32 that's them both tutes'n'tips and outdated 21:13:53 Wiki tutorial discussions 21:13:55 I'm inclined to agree that new forum=new name to make change obvious. 21:14:19 I never really like Tips & Tutes, as most of them were hoto's anyway 21:14:21 are we renaming or creating a new forum ? 21:14:41 create a new one - close the old ones 21:14:46 I's say a new sub-forum 21:14:52 ^ 21:14:56 agreed 21:15:15 and make the old ones sub to that one I assume 21:15:19 alright, now i know what the notion is (i didn't fully understand it) so will start a vote 21:15:36 #vote close tut's and tips , create new forum 21:15:36 Please vote on: close tut's and tips , create new forum 21:15:36 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:15:43 will it see more use than the dev subforum? 21:15:44 +1 21:15:44 +1 received from cariboo907 21:15:46 +1 21:15:46 +1 received from coffeecat 21:15:48 +1 21:15:48 +1 received from elfy 21:15:48 +1 21:15:48 +1 received from Iowan 21:15:51 +0 21:15:51 +0 received from s-fox 21:15:57 #endvote 21:15:57 Voting ended on: close tut's and tips , create new forum 21:15:57 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:15:57 Motion carried 21:16:06 should we archive old forum ? 21:16:13 +1 21:16:18 yea 21:16:23 #vote archive tut's and tips 21:16:23 Please vote on: archive tut's and tips 21:16:23 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:16:27 +1 21:16:27 +1 received from cariboo907 21:16:28 +1 21:16:28 +1 received from s-fox 21:16:30 +1 21:16:30 +1 received from elfy 21:16:37 That'd block new entries as well as closing 21:16:37 0 21:16:38 0 received from coffeecat 21:16:39 +1 21:16:39 +1 received from Iowan 21:16:47 #endvote 21:16:47 Voting ended on: archive tut's and tips 21:16:47 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:16:47 Motion carried 21:17:14 o/ whoa! 21:17:14 what do we do about the howto's that have been converted? do we move the first post to its own thread OR create a new thread anyway ? 21:17:33 coffeecat, 21:17:34 ? 21:17:50 The reason I voted 0 for archiving is that if we agree a home layout change later, the archive will be made mnore difficult to find. 21:18:03 I'd suggest a new thread 21:18:04 May be made... 21:18:12 mmm 21:18:31 coffeecat, doesn't that depend on new layout? 21:18:33 so not archive it - but close to new posts 21:18:54 close the forum ? 21:19:01 agree with elfy. Iowan the idea for layout change came from making archive more obscure, iirc. 21:19:29 coffeecat: yea - was my thought re archives 21:19:30 I don't really see a problem with that ,as most of the tips & tutes are outdated any how 21:19:39 alright, vote time (again) ;) 21:19:44 Wait! 21:19:47 Also - if/when we close the T&T forum, we need to move the new wiki discussion threads into new forum. 21:19:49 okay 21:19:50 :) 21:20:02 I'll do the move of the threads 21:20:03 Do we need to un-vote the archive vote? 21:20:44 Who has Roberts Rules of Order? 21:21:08 not me - I'd assume it was a made up name 21:21:15 IT looks like we still archive the sub-forum, just make it harder to find 21:21:24 okay, can i now call a vote ? ;) 21:21:30 sure 21:21:51 alright.... this is going to be a 2 parter, but bear with me.... 21:22:14 #vote close tut's and tips NOT archive 21:22:14 Please vote on: close tut's and tips NOT archive 21:22:14 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:22:31 -1 21:22:31 -1 received from cariboo907 21:22:34 +0 - we already voted to archive 21:22:34 +0 - we already voted to archive received from Iowan 21:22:34 +1 21:22:34 +1 received from elfy 21:22:36 +1 21:22:36 +1 received from coffeecat 21:22:43 +0 21:22:43 +0 received from s-fox 21:22:55 #endvote 21:22:55 Voting ended on: close tut's and tips NOT archive 21:22:55 Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 21:22:55 Motion carried 21:23:24 okay, so that went ahead.... now the second part 21:23:44 #vote move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? 21:23:44 Please vote on: move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? 21:23:44 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:23:54 +1 21:23:54 +1 received from s-fox 21:23:55 -1 21:23:55 -1 received from cariboo907 21:24:09 +0 21:24:09 +0 received from Iowan 21:24:20 I don't understsand the vote topic 21:24:47 the old threads get closed and new discussion thread is opened at present 21:24:51 coffeecat, do we move the first post of the old migrated tuts to the new forum OR do we create a new post ? 21:25:30 2 seconds...sorry...flea bag is playing up 21:25:33 -1 21:25:33 -1 received from elfy 21:26:22 +0 /me completely baffled 21:26:22 +0 /me completely baffled received from coffeecat 21:26:43 * Iowan too 21:27:29 the way it works is - old thread converted, old thread closed, new discussion thread created - that will be moved to new forum - or that's my understanding 21:27:37 back 21:28:07 i think this needs a little more discussion 21:28:11 THat's my understanding. Discussion threads only moved to new forum. 21:28:19 yea 21:28:26 +1 21:28:26 +1 received from cariboo907 21:28:46 oops I forgot we were still in a vote 21:28:53 i'll end the vote, disregard the result 21:28:53 :) 21:28:56 #endvote 21:28:56 Voting ended on: move first post of migrated tut's and tips to new forum ? 21:28:56 Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 21:28:56 Motion carried 21:29:07 ^ IGNORE 21:29:41 Right, so we want are talking about a brand new thread ? 21:29:47 what we need to vote on is - leave old tutorial threads and move newer discussion threads to new forum 21:29:58 Wouldn't we leave the discussion part up to the wiki page creator? 21:30:03 which is all we'd need to move 21:30:14 cariboo907: mostly that is the wiki team people 21:31:00 but - previously it could only really be staff as the 'old' thread needed to be closed at the same time 21:31:04 Isn't the idea though to get any one that creates a new howto, to create a wiki page? 21:31:15 yes 21:31:31 And a new forum will really force the issue as far as I can see. 21:31:40 coffeecat: yes 21:32:13 what's to stop someone from creating a howto in the discussion sub-forum? 21:32:15 and will mean that there are no threads that will need closing - as the old forums will be closed anyway - so at that point wiki creator can start the wiki discussion 21:32:29 cariboo907: we voted to close those but not archive them 21:32:48 i wonder if we can moderate posts to an entire subforum.... 21:33:01 if it looks like a howto we could act and advise 21:33:15 If someone starts a howto in the new forum, it'll be closed or moved to an ordinary forum, I guess. 21:33:18 What I asked is what if someone decides to create a new howto in the discussion sub-forum, what's to stop them? 21:33:31 Nothing, but we move it out. 21:33:36 us? 21:33:40 OK thanks coffeecat 21:33:56 WE could ensure the new forum is moderated as the T&T is/was. 21:34:28 * s-fox nods 21:34:30 yep 21:34:37 If we are going to do that why bother with a new sub-forum? 21:34:56 to make a clean break 21:35:00 It's cleaner that way - new strategy - new forum/ 21:35:12 otherwise nothing will change imo 21:35:15 :) 21:35:36 agreed with elfy - no one reads the stickies. 21:35:38 so we'll still end up with queued threads awaitng moderation? 21:36:07 well I would assume that people going to the new forum and seeing it empty will thinktwice 21:36:15 i'm for a clean break 21:37:12 I think the modding will be easier - I was never comfortable with judging the technical content of new tutes. 21:37:29 ditto 21:37:52 i think we should discuss this in scc and move on for now 21:37:58 ok 21:38:01 +1 21:38:06 +1 21:38:07 you know, we seem to have stalled a little 21:38:11 move on 21:38:16 come back to it next month 21:38:21 alright, we'll move on 21:38:28 but we agree to discuss this more later 21:38:45 #topic Human verification questions - follow up to changes 21:39:22 coffeecat, you have the floor :) 21:39:23 Well, the changes seem to be working 21:39:43 Not much to say really. There was a drmatic drop in bot reigsatrtions. 21:40:05 We changed 2-3 questions the other day. 21:40:18 Are bots catching on to new questions? 21:40:24 we contacted canonical is about the bug (i would not like to say what that bug is in public) 21:40:57 I know which one... 21:41:02 The ones I've looked at don't seem to be bots. None of the i.a.m.a.d.i.r.t.s.p.a.m.m.e.r@whatever.com emails 21:41:04 okay, good :) 21:41:13 I think we are well aware of the bug you refer to s 21:41:32 s-fox, 21:41:42 alright, nothing to vote on - i'd like to move on with the meeting 21:42:04 anyone object ? 21:42:11 move on... 21:42:12 no lets move on 21:42:13 nope - that's fine with me 21:42:18 fine by me 21:42:20 okay :) 21:42:24 #topic Forum Upgrade 21:42:56 Anything new since the ML message? 21:42:58 i could say so much about this and how it has annoyed me somewhat, but i saw the mail from lyz the other day 21:43:06 Is there much to discuss until SSO is done? 21:43:15 and i think elfy sent something recently also 21:43:19 waiting on Kyle Baker apparently 21:43:24 * s-fox nods 21:43:32 I updated the ticket for an update from him 21:43:42 anything new to report that we don't already know ? 21:43:51 nope 21:43:54 maybe we should let the community know the status ? 21:44:00 stalled 21:44:05 agreed, stalled 21:44:07 again 21:44:12 That's news? 21:44:13 still 21:44:17 My understanding is the SSO is nearly done 21:44:22 just a heads up ^ 21:44:31 I have been pushing the force that be to move it along 21:44:31 bkerensa, source? :) 21:44:38 awesome :D 21:44:39 s-fox: jcastro 21:44:47 he said he predicts it being done next week 21:44:50 my understanding is that communication on this issue has been appalling 21:44:55 but maybe he was just being optimistic 21:45:00 idk 21:45:12 we have had optimism for years bkerensa ;) 21:45:20 i think we should get in touch with castro 21:45:26 again 21:46:03 elfy: I understand your frustration :) I want to see forums upgraded asap 21:46:12 #vote someone get in touch with castro for an update 21:46:12 Please vote on: someone get in touch with castro for an update 21:46:12 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:46:18 +1 21:46:18 +1 received from elfy 21:46:21 +1 21:46:21 +1 received from s-fox 21:46:23 +1 21:46:23 +1 received from cariboo907 21:46:24 +1 21:46:24 +1 received from coffeecat 21:46:28 +1 21:46:28 +1 received from Iowan 21:46:39 #endvote 21:46:39 Voting ended on: someone get in touch with castro for an update 21:46:39 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:46:39 Motion carried 21:46:55 woot :) 21:47:00 #topic Rethink forum home page layout 21:47:03 :D 21:47:20 beyond me... 21:47:21 lots of discussion on this already, would like to just skip to the vote since nearly everyone is for it 21:47:38 and this is coffeecat 's item 21:47:41 ;) 21:47:54 we need to do something 21:48:12 Everyone seen the suggested way forward here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2060237 ? 21:48:12 to many emails to the admin on how to create a thread :) 21:48:57 +1 21:49:18 yep 21:50:40 I'd like to see the proposed layout first. 21:50:50 Different isn't necessarily better 21:50:50 That's in the proposal/ 21:52:38 which post, the thread has over 70 replies ;) 21:52:56 oh wait, that is the short one :D 21:53:19 I have no problem *considering* a new layout... 21:53:21 You posted in it s-fox :) 21:53:51 i know cariboo907 :) 21:54:17 vote? 21:54:33 we are going to vote on considering a new layout? 21:54:40 when will it be done? :-D I'm inpatient 21:54:51 I thought we "considered" in early August. 21:54:58 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12149766&postcount=19 21:55:05 If we keep on "considering" this will take as long as the forum upgrade. 21:55:27 to post 22 I think is the bones of it 21:55:33 thanks elfy :) 21:55:38 +1 to what coffeecat said :) 21:56:25 alright, going to vote. 21:56:27 +1 21:56:33 what on? 21:56:39 lol 21:56:45 on going with the outline 21:57:24 anyone mind going to the vote ? 21:57:32 should we get TV involved in this? 21:57:45 we can follow up with the nitty gritty details in SCC 21:57:51 or I should say ask TV? 21:58:07 Let's vote 21:58:11 The adjustments in AdmonCP are quite straightforward. It doesn't need TV I think. 21:58:21 AdminCP too! :) 21:58:21 straightforward changes 21:58:28 :) 21:58:37 calling a vote, time is getting on... 21:59:16 #vote Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly 21:59:16 Please vote on: Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly 21:59:16 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:59:20 +0 21:59:20 +0 received from Iowan 21:59:26 +1 21:59:26 +1 received from cariboo907 21:59:28 +1 21:59:28 +1 received from elfy 21:59:28 +1 21:59:28 +1 received from coffeecat 21:59:29 +1 21:59:29 +1 received from s-fox 21:59:40 #endvote 21:59:40 Voting ended on: Agree in principle to updating forum homepage layout, exact changes to be outlined clearly 21:59:40 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:59:40 Motion carried 21:59:59 alright, just division of duties now 22:00:17