#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by shadeslayer at 18:17:27 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-09-13-18.17.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''ACTION:'' investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger (Riddell, 18:19:12) ''ACTION:'' investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel (Riddell, 18:19:27) ''ACTION:'' test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan (Riddell, 18:23:11) ''ACTION:'' review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell (Riddell, 18:27:09) ''ACTION:'' find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell (Riddell, 18:31:24) ''ACTION:'' add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer (Riddell, 18:52:46) ''ACTION:'' open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed (Riddell, 18:53:30) ''ACTION:'' make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger (Riddell, 18:56:39) ''ACTION:'' find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell (Riddell, 19:03:46) ''LINK:'' https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/K36rbyfXBSa (apachelogger, 19:04:45) ''ACTION:'' poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell (Riddell, 19:19:46) ''ACTION:'' rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell (Riddell, 19:36:38) ''ACTION:'' get kubuntu swag - riddell (Riddell, 19:40:51) Meeting ended at 19:55:52 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger * investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel * test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan * review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell * find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell * add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer * open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed * make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger * find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell * poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell * rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell * get kubuntu swag - riddell == Action items, by person == * apachelogger ** investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger ** make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger * d__ed ** test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan ** open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed * jussi ** poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell * Quintasan ** test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan * shadeslayer ** add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer * yofel ** investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel * **UNASSIGNED** ** review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell ** find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell ** find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell ** rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell ** get kubuntu swag - riddell == People present (lines said) == * apachelogger (127) * Riddell (127) * shadeslayer (75) * d__ed (46) * Quintasan (38) * yofel (24) * JontheEchidna (23) * afiestas (22) * meetingology (17) * jussi (5) * tsimpson (2) * AlanBell (2) * Mamarok (1) * xnox (1) * ubottu (1) == Full Log == 18:17:27 #startmeeting 18:17:27 Meeting started Thu Sep 13 18:17:27 2012 UTC. The chair is shadeslayer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:17:27 18:17:27 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:17:36 #chair Riddell 18:17:36 Current chairs: Riddell shadeslayer 18:17:49 #unchair shadeslayer 18:17:49 Current chairs: Riddell shadeslayer 18:17:50 yofel: I was wondering why we are not using SVG 18:17:52 tsimpson: shrug, I find doing it manually is no harder :) 18:17:53 wat 18:18:03 tsimpson: the bot be broken :P 18:18:04 yofel: what's the advantage? 18:18:08 Quintasan: Qt only has tinysvg renderering 18:18:23 Riddell: just make is easier to copy-paste the minutes in my experience 18:18:23 * xnox #meetingname ?! or use #startmeeting Secret Society Meeting 18:18:33 apachelogger: Can't say that it tells me anything apart from implied "it won't work" 18:18:43 shadeslayer: bug AlanBell :) 18:18:49 Riddell: you do not get bogus wallpaper scaling on non-widescreen resolutions 18:18:49 :P 18:19:01 Riddell: also faster netbook start 18:19:02 * shadeslayer investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger 18:19:06 also faster mobile start 18:19:12 #action investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger 18:19:12 * meetingology investigate splitting kipi - apachelogger 18:19:14 also faster everythign start given appropriate screen size 18:19:17 ah ok 18:19:27 #action investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel 18:19:27 * meetingology investigate adding all wallpaper sizes to CD - yofel 18:19:28 Riddell: might look more consistent and might help with some weird bug where the settings show a ghost '1900x1200' entry in the wallpaper settings by default. I'll try to test this and will get back to you 18:19:56 Kde-Config-Tablet anyone used it? 18:20:06 not I 18:20:08 no hardware to test 18:20:22 apachelogger: In other words, using SVG as wallpaper is not possible? 18:20:22 no, I do have hardware though. 18:20:33 Quintasan: not as viable anyway 18:20:42 tablet as in wacom tablets or tablet as in transformer? 18:20:48 Quintasan: wacom 18:20:56 * Quintasan will looks for his wacom tablet 18:20:58 d__ed should test ;) 18:21:02 the name could do with some clarification 18:21:20 * AlanBell wonders if anyone has even tried to use #unchair before 18:21:28 Riddell: postpone decision until either of the two has used it? 18:22:05 apachelogger: I'd assign the action but I'd feel bad until d__ed has said if he actually want to do it 18:22:09 given that there is (as usual) no viable data anywhere whetehr it works and does what it is supposed to, it makes little sense to make a decision here IMHO 18:22:49 ok, I'll do it (or try at least) 18:23:00 don't let us pressure you into it! 18:23:08 it's fine :) 18:23:11 #action test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan 18:23:11 * meetingology test kde-config-tablet in quantal - d__ed, Quintasan 18:23:22 Print Manager, how's it working? 18:23:37 I've tried it with a new laser printer I've picked up and it works well 18:23:38 ha, I have managed to add my printer and print something 18:23:51 I've not had any problems on my end either 18:24:03 pretty smooth considering it was a pain to set it up ealier 18:24:07 the UI of the config tool is acceptable but not as nice as the one I made for s-c-p-k back in the day in my opinion 18:24:10 but the applet is much more pretty 18:24:17 and doesn't have the obvious bugs in it 18:24:24 anyone looked at the upstream discussion recently? 18:24:33 dantti proposed it on kde-core-devel 18:25:14 "Review Request: print-manager on kdereview" 18:25:16 that one? 18:25:19 shadeslayer: yes 18:25:20 aye 18:25:24 Riddell: tsimpson: shadeslayer: #unchair works, but you can't unchair yourself. That probably seemed like a sensible safety precaution at the time. 18:25:30 IIRC there was some l10n issue 18:25:37 worth looking into 18:25:44 it had the obvious problem of needing system-config-printer-gnome but I removed the errors because they're not actually needed 18:25:46 AlanBell: ah :D 18:26:02 and ScottK pointed me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/902762 where till discusses that it can probably be fixed anyway 18:26:04 Launchpad bug 902762 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Quantal) "scp-dbus-service.py crashed with ImportError in __main__: No module named asyncconn" [High,Fix released] 18:26:22 Hm, should buy a printer 18:26:24 +1 on print-manager 18:26:28 it's the future I tell ya 18:26:55 I do remember setting up a printer for a teacher at my college a year ago, did not work out so well 18:27:06 +1 print manager 18:27:09 #action review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell 18:27:09 * meetingology review kde-core-devel for print-manager discussion - riddell 18:27:10 ( printed about a 100 blank test pages ) 18:27:34 Colord KDE 18:27:36 anyone used it 18:27:41 or have a use for it? 18:27:48 lol shadeslayer probably didn't insert the cartidge :P 18:27:58 * apachelogger does not know what it is for 18:27:59 it's in because of rumours that ubuntu desktop has a colour calibration tool 18:28:01 Riddell: I hear good things about it 18:28:08 shadeslayer: from whom? 18:28:10 haven't used one myself 18:28:14 Riddell: people on G+ 18:28:20 also are there not two implementations of color calibration right now? 18:28:25 don't ask me for specific posts because I don't remember 18:29:03 we do have kgamma - but I don't know what exactly colord does 18:29:22 I believe you can use a Hugghe(?) device to use colord-kde 18:29:23 * Quintasan shrugs 18:29:29 not sure how to pronounce it 18:29:34 Never used such stuff. 18:29:35 graphics designers use it to color-correct their displays so that things look like they would in real life 18:29:36 well, that would be progress 18:29:57 JontheEchidna: can't you configure that with kgamma? 18:30:06 no 18:30:07 or is colord somewhat automated? 18:30:10 kgamma corrects gamma :P 18:30:22 colord takes info from a actual device I do believe 18:30:27 also the colord stuff is supposed to make you do it right 18:30:31 kgamma is only monitors 18:30:32 that you put on your monitor 18:30:39 shadeslayer: something like that 18:30:39 colord-kde is for webcams and printers too 18:30:42 anywho 18:30:52 ah ok, colord++ then 18:30:55 if someone tested it throw it on 18:31:24 #action find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell 18:31:24 * meetingology find knowledgeable testers for colord-kde - riddell 18:31:26 aha 18:31:27 found it 18:31:33 This guy https://plus.google.com/107928060492923463788 18:32:00 it's called a ColorHug 18:32:12 and I think we can find this device at UDS for testing 18:32:25 hug the next item, this meeting is taking forever :P 18:32:30 he wrote colord didn't he? 18:32:44 GTK Configuration 18:32:49 aye, he also made the actual device I think 18:33:00 new tool configures both gtk 2 and gtk 3 18:33:11 whereas the old one configured 2 and used the same settings for 3 18:33:14 which was unlikely to work 18:33:32 " The ColorHug is an open source display colorimeter. It allows you to calibrate your screen for accurate color matching. " 18:33:34 vis xsettings-kde 18:33:43 via xsettings-kde 18:34:12 the question is, how many people are likely to own one of these devices to use with colord-kde 18:34:27 Riddell: If the new one works then I see no point in wondering. 18:34:31 because it seems a bit useless without the device 18:34:43 Quintasan: tried it? 18:35:02 maybe I am being silly 18:35:10 but why do we need gtk configuration again? 18:35:19 Riddell: Can't say I run many GTK applications. Firefox looks good. 18:35:42 apachelogger: $people want it, for whatever reason 18:35:52 ... 18:36:03 last I checked you could use GTK's GTK configuration tool to configure GTK 18:36:09 heh 18:36:12 just saying 18:36:14 are we still shipping xsettings? as this was probably our only reason to have it on the disk 18:36:34 there is things that make sense and then there is GTK configuration done in Qt using KDE libraries... 18:36:37 yofel: this new tool replaces xsettings-kde 18:36:58 good 18:37:18 apachelogger: gtk has a configuration tool? I know gnome has one, but that pulls in half of gnome 18:37:32 yeah 18:37:33 so? 18:37:34 :P 18:37:36 ... 18:37:52 try to configuring phonon 18:37:53 ... 18:38:47 apachelogger's logic: why use something else when we can pull half of gnome 18:38:47 :P 18:39:45 it only seems logical 18:39:59 anyway, I'm pretty much fine with the new KCM. I don't like how it sets gtk3, but that's gtk3's fault so we won't get anything better I believe 18:40:31 it sets it in such a way it doesn't affect gnome/unity sessions 18:40:40 so it shouldn't get in the way of people who like to switch 18:40:55 +1 then 18:41:07 also action to investigate just exactly who our target audience is 18:41:31 I know it doesn't mess with gnome, my concern were the other DE's 18:41:34 apachelogger++ 18:41:59 akonadi-facebook? 18:42:02 anyone tried it? 18:42:19 mck182 says yes. 18:42:30 (he's here with me, I'm not psychic) 18:42:38 it works for me, but I don't keep a lot of stuff in my facebook calendar 18:42:44 (edit: not the packages) 18:43:04 but maybe the cool kids get appointments through facebook 18:43:19 ScottK had a concern about privacy 18:43:30 * shadeslayer is adding his account atm 18:43:32 it's opt-in, isn't it? 18:43:43 Riddell: how so? 18:43:50 yes it needs to be set up so I don't think it's different from people using it on a web browser 18:43:53 Can't say it's really needed but is a cool feature. 18:44:22 I really do not see a privacy issue 18:44:34 ^ 18:44:44 same for akonadi-google 18:44:46 no different from importing your google data anyway 18:44:54 or kolab for that matter :P 18:45:04 (mck182 says that in the very near future the kfacebook and the akonadi plugin are going to split into a separate repo) 18:45:22 libkgoogle works fine for me 18:45:26 will this cause a packaging issue? 18:45:36 nope 18:45:38 hm 18:45:42 d__ed: not if packagers get told about it 18:45:44 doesn't seem to fetch my calendar events 18:45:52 contacts look fine 18:46:01 does it actually allow adding events? 18:46:25 not adding, but I think it allows retrieving right? 18:46:26 kontact does annoy me about my google calendar reminders 18:46:44 oh well 18:46:52 it's a nice tech demo then 18:47:16 (not beign able to add things always seems a bit of a deal breaker to me with online thingy integration) 18:47:20 anyhow +1 for shipping 18:47:41 apparently, I'm going to do the akonadi-facebook library splitting right now... 18:48:11 d__ed: we can avoid that until next release I think 18:48:22 KDE Telepthy 18:48:25 who's tried it? 18:48:30 me! 18:48:35 \o/ 18:48:40 moi 18:48:42 INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS 18:48:46 me too 18:49:07 I think the question with kde-telepathy is about whether we should have the panel presence applet on by default 18:49:07 telepathy works nice here (jabber, ICQ, facebook) 18:49:23 ^ same here 18:49:38 Riddell: I do not really think it is an option 18:49:42 ScottK said if it was on by default he'd want the message indicator removed and replaced with the normal systray icon for quassel 18:49:47 you'd otherwise be online without having visual indication of that 18:49:57 +1 apachelogger 18:50:00 Riddell: that'd make sense 18:50:13 I did discuss on the launchpad bug, if it's wanted we can make it autohide if you have no accounts 18:50:14 * Quintasan always removed Message Indicator 18:50:15 I'm not sure if it's worth keepimg mi 18:50:17 (for a 0.5.1) 18:50:24 d__ed: That would be nice 18:50:26 (still talking about presence applet not MI) 18:50:27 d__ed: that'd be handy 18:50:37 yeah, +1 on switching to telepathy and ditching MI 18:50:37 *keeping 18:50:48 the presence applet doesn't fit in with the other white icons on the panel! 18:50:50 so it would be in the little "up arrow" bit of the system tray if you have none. 18:50:57 yeah 18:50:59 I agree with Riddell on that one 18:51:01 better than always having it visible IMHO 18:51:03 * yofel is pretty happy it's not black/white... 18:51:23 and isn't it grey when you're offline? 18:51:35 yes it is 18:51:41 grey, not oxygen-opaque-grey 18:51:44 but it's not monochromey 18:51:59 who wants the action item to add it? 18:52:06 on the icons: 18:52:09 Riddell, d__ed: did someone talk with master nuno about the monochromeness? 18:52:11 Riddell: moi 18:52:24 TBH I didn't like the monochrome approach to the icons 18:52:25 I think the bug is already assigned to me 18:52:38 (quoting martin) "there was a guy who made some monochrome icons, and we made it load the plasma icons, but they looked really bad" 18:52:46 #action add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer 18:52:46 * meetingology add ktp presence applet, remove message indicator by default - shadeslayer 18:52:49 (actually he didn't say really bad) 18:53:07 can we action someone opening a bug on KTp about making it hide 18:53:23 shadeslayer 18:53:25 actually, nm. I'll do it 18:53:30 #action open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed 18:53:30 * meetingology open a bug on ktp presence applet to hide if no account - d__ed 18:53:35 apachelogger: 18:53:58 LightDM-KDE 18:54:08 new bling or untested scaryness? 18:54:27 14:51 For lightdm, I've also not tested it, but it's not obvious to me it's enough better than kdm yet to merit diverging from upstream. 18:54:39 I think it's worth it for the guest session 18:54:46 I've not had any problems with it, and it looks great 18:55:04 the thread on the Kubuntu forums was very positive 18:55:17 d__ed: oh? I'll have to look that up 18:55:19 (after 0.3.0 anyway) 18:55:21 background needs fixing to match kspalsh 4.9 (I forgot to file a bug about that) - otherwise nice 18:55:23 Guest sessions are awesome 18:55:39 yofel: was about to do that when Riddell dragged me in here -.- 18:55:47 and I've already filed a bug about wallpapers and light dm 18:55:48 ah good :) 18:56:04 yofel: so more solid grey? 18:56:16 Riddell: same as we have in plymouth 18:56:25 * Quintasan always wanted to *DM and splash to take users wallpaper 18:56:30 i.e. the "proper" ariya boot experience as intended by the mighty oxygen overlords 18:56:34 as apachelogger said (without stripes) 18:56:39 #action make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger 18:56:39 * meetingology make lightdm background match splash - apachelogger 18:56:44 you canyou can't do that. 18:56:48 *you can't do that. 18:56:55 login manager has more than one user 18:56:55 d__ed: Unfortunately. 18:56:58 therefore not possible 18:57:06 also, plasma wallpaper is 18:57:08 1) not always an image 18:57:12 2) different per screen 18:57:19 3) different per activity 18:57:26 d__ed: can't so what? 18:57:36 oh 18:57:42 sorry, I've misread two sentences 18:57:50 you can't make the lightdm background match the users 18:58:07 obviously you can make lightdm + ksplash have the same default. 18:58:09 and that'd be awesome 18:58:31 (technically you can make them match given the constraints are met :P) 18:58:37 and the pre-X splash 18:58:46 do we have a new background? 18:59:00 a special Kubuntu one? 18:59:18 FWIW, LightDM-KDE right now default to whatever the plasma default one is. 18:59:21 d__ed: more like, new plymouth screen 18:59:23 technically you can keep them all synced up as long as there is only one screen and the plasma background is an image ;) 18:59:25 apachelogger gave ksplash and plymouth a grey background without stripes last time 18:59:26 s/screen/splash/ 18:59:40 so... 18:59:48 apachelogger: you say that was what oxygen dudes wanted? 18:59:52 totally worth trying lightdm for this release, it seems table enough 18:59:53 I am not particularly fond of the splash(es) 19:00:03 *stable even 19:00:19 Riddell: aye 19:00:31 the stripes were only intended for the desktop 19:00:59 as otherwise it had missed drama (i.e. it would have been too dull to look at over long period of time) 19:01:31 got to have some drama in free software 19:01:36 indeed 19:02:00 :) last release some artist made some sexy Kubuntu backgrounds 19:02:04 the blue ones 19:02:10 which I only saw after release. 19:02:22 d__ed: someone within blue systems but I still don't know who 19:02:28 ^ 19:02:28 mysterious lot them 19:02:36 I still have the wallpapers if someone wants them 19:02:44 could we ask to get some for this release? 19:02:53 yeah that would be good 19:02:59 * shadeslayer would like some nice Kubuntu wallpapers on the ISO 19:03:28 worth asking anyway (IMHO) 19:03:37 *calligra* 19:03:46 #action find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell 19:03:46 * meetingology find out who made the kubuntu wallpaper on kubuntu.org and ask them to make one for 12.10 - riddell 19:04:05 Calligra Suite - time to give it a chance or stay with the old? 19:04:31 I'm still all for it, it works pleasingly well and it gives us more apps on the CD like krita 19:04:45 and it fits in with my KDE idealism 19:04:45 https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/K36rbyfXBSa 19:04:50 I've done some documented editing on words, still a bit quirky, but good enough 19:05:00 well, one option is to not go for the whole thing, if CD space is no longer an issue 19:05:16 just about every opinion I saw while looking for them was like the one in that poll 19:05:18 i.e krita, but not word clone 19:05:27 most people do not care particularly 19:06:01 I'm still -1 on Calligra by default due to lack of MS Office file format export capability. Like it or not, that's what people deal in and we should hold our noses a bit (it's not like LO is great either, but it is more interoperable) and ship LO by default since that will serve more users better. 19:06:13 I found words to be a bit weird so I would prefer libreoffice - if you want a serious office solution on the ISO 19:06:30 +1 on keeping LibreOffice 19:06:41 positive was that I at least had 0 crashes with 2.5 19:06:51 While Calligra is shaping nicely I can't see it being our default office suite yet. 19:07:09 unlike libreoffice, its quality has got worse in recent releases 19:07:35 I would actually claim that this choice once more depends on the target audience :P 19:07:45 since we are not quite sure on who that is... 19:07:45 It works generally but has some quirks and looks unpolished. 19:07:53 apachelogger: canonical vs BTS Travels :P 19:08:07 nay 19:08:09 well 19:08:10 yes 19:08:14 only partially though 19:08:37 it's also about just how much you use the stuff and what you do with them 19:08:51 if you write one letter a month then calligra will do the job 19:09:10 if you have to do serious office work (database driven mass letter production and whatnot) it may not be so suitable 19:09:35 I think calligra would be better for that? kexi is looking lovely, I've never got libreoffice database thing to work 19:10:09 (mostly you base that not on teh actual database apps but csv in the spreadsheet app ;)) 19:10:29 at any rate 19:10:46 from where I am standing calligra has problems scaling up 19:11:05 so if we want to offer a compelling out of the box office for both home users and businesses 19:11:19 I do strongy believe libreoffice is the thing to use for the time being 19:11:22 scaling up? 19:11:45 Riddell: I really do not see myself pulling all the template madness of everyday office live in word 19:12:09 so it does nto scale up from once-a-month users to daily users 19:12:19 former it does fine with, latter not so much 19:12:32 I would actually like if Calligra just started with a default A4 template 19:12:41 and then if you want, you could change templates 19:12:42 all that being said 19:12:56 if we want calligra to become a proper replacement at some point 19:13:41 it may be wise to put it on the image for this release 19:14:09 and since we have so many new apps on board we could then label this release as a tech evaluation release or something 19:14:32 giving users a solid base to work on, to try apps that may not yet be perfect but show great potential 19:14:49 I think for every change you should have a release where it's in the repos but not default 19:14:59 (like KTp and Ldm had) 19:15:20 this has been in the repos since ubuntu began 19:15:27 generally I agree, but there is only so much testing you get out fo simply being in the repos 19:17:11 to sum up my thoughts: +1 on staying with libreoffice, +1 on using calligra but then the release should not be marketed as the latest and greatest super stable version 19:17:20 alright, I need to leave, I'll be continuing from my phone 19:17:42 JontheEchidna: do you have a position as a council member? 19:18:15 I think I'll have to take the more conservative route of keeping libreoffice default for this release 19:19:15 so 1.5 votes for calligra, 2.5 votes for libreoffice 19:19:30 I'll poke jussi and darkwing to get the full vote 19:19:46 #action poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell 19:19:46 * meetingology poke jussi and darking to get a full vote on calligra - riddell 19:20:25 anything else for 12.10? 19:21:01 UDS sponsorship 19:21:15 apachelogger, JontheEchidna: how do we decide who to sponsor? 19:21:28 that's a good question 19:21:49 I suppose we'd need to know how many people we can sponsor, and then develop some sort of criteria? 19:22:04 I think it's me, agateau and Alex 19:22:13 well that's a bit unknown unless you want to do lots of time calculating the cost 19:22:33 but we have £10000 in the bank so I think it wouldn't be a problem 19:22:40 for those three 19:22:49 (that's to last all year mind, so another UDS too) 19:23:27 I think we first should set a budget for sponsorship which ought to be a subset of all the money :P 19:23:29 ScottK suggested we nudge them for a concrete contribution to KDE/Kubuntu that would happen because of them coming 19:23:51 and a plan of what they concretely want to do would be in order 19:24:10 also a rough estimate for travel + accomodation 19:24:38 also perhaps we want to talk with the kde e.v. if say agateau or afiestas want to do something very KDE focusy 19:24:40 I'm not sure how concrete it's sensible to be, at least for upstreams like afiestas a lot of the value is in them telling us what's good and what will be good 19:25:00 so it'd be in the interest of KDE throwing some money at them to make that happen 19:25:44 apachelogger: since we have the money I don't think we should be asking another body for it 19:26:00 and e.v. aren't full of money currently so I doubt they'd be interested 19:26:50 is it known how Canonical decides to sponsor people for UDS? 19:27:02 for a set of criteria to compare to 19:27:02 JontheEchidna: jono rolls a dice 19:27:05 no idea, always been a black box to me 19:27:17 apachelogger: :P 19:27:21 its on jono's blog 19:27:22 that's how I'd do it :P 19:27:35 JontheEchidna: cat /dev/random and see whose name has majority of the letters present in the first line of the output :P 19:28:27 oh ScottK was also suggesting it might be polite to do it in private 19:28:39 the actual deciding? I agree 19:28:41 Ooops. 19:28:45 Riddell: I am not saying KDE should pay full attendance for someone but if there is a value to KDE I suppose it'd make sense if a "contribution" to the attendance was suggested 19:29:27 jono gives some criteria in this blog post, which it may be useful to consult when creating our own criteria: http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/08/01/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-4/ 19:30:21 Riddell: ScottK has a point 19:30:27 also we still need a budget first :P 19:31:36 apachelogger: like an amount for us to spend? 19:31:42 yes, I think the best way to proceed is to make a (at least rough) budget to see how many people we can sponsor in a year, develop a set of criteria to measure applicants against, and then in private make the actual sponsorship additions 19:31:58 s/additions/decisions 19:32:12 brainfart :P 19:32:53 ok I'll do a rough budget then we can have an e-mail conversation with council members 19:33:22 we should be mindful not to let it drag on, flights get more expensive and people need to make travel plans 19:33:31 Quintasan, agateau, afiestas: if you have not done so, please make an estimate for your attendance cost (travel + hostel/hotel) 19:33:46 yes, it should definitely be a priority issue for the council 19:34:11 apachelogger: I asked about that. Can we stay in the same hotel as the event takes place or we need to look for something cheaper? 19:34:35 something cheaper I'd say :P 19:34:46 Quintasan: Bella Sky is *really* expensive 19:35:23 120 EUR a day I think 19:35:38 shadeslayer, apachelogger: That's why I'm asking :P 19:36:04 * Quintasan will look into it 19:36:38 #action rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell 19:36:38 * meetingology rough budget for UDS sponsored people and e-mail conversation to decide - riddell 19:37:00 UDS swag, I'd like to get some nice kubuntu polo shirts for UDS 19:37:04 I think it's worth being visible 19:37:19