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15:00:56 <skaet> Weekly Release Agenda (and minute location):
15:00:56 <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-08-31
15:00:56 <skaet> .
15:00:56 <skaet> Upcoming dates:
15:00:56 <skaet> 12.10
15:00:56 <skaet> 2012/09/06: 12.10 Beta 1
15:00:58 <skaet> .
15:01:00 <skaet> Work Items:
15:01:02 <skaet> 2012/08/31 -  3025 (was 3011  (last  week):   We are behind the trendline for some of the projects.
15:01:05 <skaet> We�ve now gone into Feature Freeze, so getting us back on track would be appreciated.  If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
15:01:10 <skaet> Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.
15:01:13 <skaet> .
15:01:15 <skaet> Bugs:
15:01:17 <skaet> Quantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
15:01:20 <skaet> .
15:01:48 <skaet> Weekly status:
15:01:48 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001836.html - desktop - seb128
15:01:48 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001837.html - server - arosales
15:01:48 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001839.html - edubuntu - stgraber
15:01:48 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001840.html - kernel - ogasawara
15:01:49 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001841.html - security - jdstrand
15:01:51 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001843.html - linaro - fabo
15:01:53 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001846.html - xubuntu - knome
15:01:55 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001849.html - foundations - ogra_ / slangasek
15:01:58 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001850.html - Ubuntu Studio - ScottL
15:01:59 * slangasek waves
15:01:59 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001854.html - Unity - popey
15:02:01 <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001858.html - Lubuntu - gilir
15:02:03 <skaet> ?? - community - balloons
15:02:05 <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
15:02:21 <skaet> I�m on a rather problematic network right now, so if I drop off during the meeting,  slangasek has kindly agreed to take over the hosting.  I�ll rejoin as soon as I can.
15:02:57 <skaet> any one have some questions ('o/') ready to start asking?
15:03:13 <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001859.html - community - balloons
15:03:30 <skaet> thanks popey  :)
15:04:12 <seb128> o/ (not question but I want to do a status update from desktop at some point, I guess that's on list of topic for some others as well though)
15:05:04 <skaet> seb128,  go ahead I've got some specific questions, but lets see if your update addresses them ;)
15:05:06 <gema> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001831.html - QA - gema
15:05:12 <seb128> ok
15:05:22 <seb128> so we are verrrrrry late for unity (sorry again)
15:05:34 <seb128> but we just got the stack fully acked as approved and flagged green for release
15:05:41 <seb128> that includes compiz,nux,bamf,unity
15:06:03 <seb128> with compiz GLES (give us arm desktop back on the panda) and unity coverflow,preview,webapp
15:06:16 <seb128> so we would like to get the green line to land that today
15:06:29 <seb128> some of us will be watching for any potential issue tonight and tomorrow
15:06:31 <seb128> 
15:06:34 <seb128> that's the main topic
15:06:40 <seb128> otherwise we would still like to land
15:06:55 <seb128> - a libreoffice update to fix appmenu using 100% unity cpu madness (ready in the next hour for upload)
15:07:06 <seb128> - a small bug fix version for indicator-messages
15:07:08 <seb128> 
15:07:13 <seb128> and I think that's it for desktop
15:07:13 <seb128> ..
15:07:34 <brendand> skaet, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001830.html - hardware certification - brendand
15:07:44 <stgraber> as I said yesterday in #ubuntu-release, I'm personally ok (though far from happy) to have it land by EOD today (for unity/compiz/...). That's as long as we have someone from the unity team and desktop team around to fix/revert anything that breaks over the weekend
15:07:44 <skaet> thanks seb128
15:08:07 <skaet> sorry brendand, gema - my cut paste had error in it, meant to paste your report links.
15:08:13 <gema> skaet: no prob
15:08:15 <skaet> (and thanks for pasting them)
15:08:33 <brendand> skaet, np
15:08:39 <seb128> stgraber, status is that we have things ready now so that will make end of day target, and we have people from #ps and desktop who agreed to watch out
15:08:53 <skaet> seb128, popey - will this next drop address: There are 2 bugs that IMO are important and haven't seen on other reports:
15:08:53 <skaet> * Bug:1042211 - [quantal] [regression] [i915] Corrupted display, desktop
15:08:53 <skaet> and menus don't repaint correctly using Mesa 9.0 (8.0.4 works)
15:08:53 <skaet> * Bug:1005677 - Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **:
15:08:53 <skaet> IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)'"
15:09:18 <popey> bug
15:09:21 <popey> bug 1042211
15:09:22 <seb128> skaet, no
15:09:23 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1042211 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[quantal] [regression] [i915] Corrupted display, desktop and menus don't repaint correctly using Mesa 9.0 (8.0.4 works)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042211
15:09:28 <seb128> first one is mesa
15:09:35 <popey> bug 1005677
15:09:36 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1005677 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Re-emergence of "Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)'"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005677
15:09:38 <seb128> tjaalton, ^ do you know what's the status for that and beta1?
15:09:39 <gema> skaet and also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1044299
15:09:40 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1044299 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubi-partman crashed, and then no installation process, no installation options" [Critical,Confirmed]
15:09:40 <popey> (for the lazy)
15:09:44 <seb128> 
15:09:52 <seb128> the second one is overlay-scrollbar and qt
15:09:59 <seb128> need to chase Cimi on that again
15:10:06 <seb128> but it's out of the unity stack for both
15:10:42 <stgraber> seb128: good. I guess the unity stack needs to go through -proposed to avoid skews? if so, please poke me once it's there so I can make sure it builds ASAP. Would be a pain to get stuck waiting for powerpc/arm.
15:10:47 <skaet> seb128,  understood - we'll need to make sure that they're both well documented in the technical overview notes then.
15:11:18 <seb128> stgraber, yes, through proposed
15:11:37 <seb128> skaet, I'm chasing people, will get you a status update before eod and try to see if we can still fix today
15:11:52 <skaet> Thanks seb128
15:12:17 <skaet> please nick highlight to Laney, stgraber, cjwatson and myself in #ubuntu-release
15:12:22 <seb128> ok
15:12:53 <skaet> we'll start of the release tracking pad, and the technical overview for beta1 later today.
15:13:09 <skaet> I'll post in #ubuntu-release when they're ready for input.
15:13:58 <skaet> seb128,  did you see comments on llvmpipe in edubuntu�s report on implications of llvmpipe on LSTP,  any chance we can get it landing for beta1?
15:14:43 <seb128> let me look
15:14:53 <ScottK> o/
15:15:00 <seb128> I saw that jdstrand and others said that the recent updates make things usuable on vms
15:15:50 <seb128> ok, read that
15:16:05 <seb128> yeah, there is  plan to degrade effects to improve performance
15:16:15 <seb128> is there a bug open about the "doesn't work on 16 bits"?
15:16:23 <skaet> stgraber, ^ ?
15:16:40 <stgraber> I didn't file one, I'll check if there's one and if not, I'll file one
15:16:41 <seb128> I will make sure those are tracked, but that will not be for beta1 at this point
15:16:46 <seb128> stgraber, thanks
15:16:46 <stgraber> seb128: either way, I'll give you the bug number
15:17:03 <seb128> re "so something needs to happen there..." ... well many topic are in that situation
15:17:05 <skaet> thanks stgraber, seb128
15:17:07 <skaet> ..
15:17:09 <seb128> we will need to make (hard) calls
15:17:20 <seb128> and those calls might be to tell those people to use the LTS
15:17:24 <seb128> ..
15:18:03 <skaet> seb128, ack.
15:18:40 <skaet> slangasek, did you have any update on the bug that gema highlighted earlier?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1044299
15:18:41 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1044299 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubi-partman crashed, and then no installation process, no installation options" [Critical,Confirmed]
15:19:32 <slangasek> skaet: no, haven't seen this bug until now
15:19:47 <slangasek> it doesn't appear that anyone has set the 'rls-q-incoming' tag on it, btw
15:20:04 <gema> slangasek: I will update it
15:20:25 <slangasek> well, no need now... I'll just move it straight to our 'accepted' queue ;)
15:20:35 <gema> slangasek: ack, sorry
15:20:53 <slangasek> anyway, I'll make sure xnox is working on it
15:20:59 <slangasek> has anyone else reproduced this bug?
15:21:10 <gema> jibel reported it to me, I will ask him
15:21:13 <slangasek> (I'm wondering whether it's genuinely critical, or if it's a corner case)
15:21:19 <skaet> yeah,  just a reminder to everyone - please put 'rls-q-incoming' tag on any bug you think is going to be a  problem for the release.
15:22:09 <jibel> slangasek, I did, install a desktop image and keep the defaults, it crashes on partman
15:22:16 <slangasek> ah
15:22:24 <slangasek> then it's definitely xnox's ;)
15:22:41 <slangasek> we'll get it sorted
15:22:47 <gema> slangasek: thanks!
15:22:53 <skaet> thanks slangasek, gema, jibel.
15:23:05 <skaet> ..?
15:23:18 <gema> ..
15:23:29 <skaet> go ScottK
15:23:34 <ScottK> As Riddell  mentioned, he's sick, so no input email from Kubuntu this week.  KDE telepathy 0.5 landed kind of hard this week, but we should have it sorted and all images buildable later today.  KDE SC 4.9.1 is released next Wednesday, so we'll anticipate uploading that shortly after Beta 1.
15:23:36 <ScottK> ..
15:23:57 <xnox> slangasek: fix committed locally, now testing.
15:23:58 <skaet> ScottK,  thanks for the update
15:24:06 <slangasek> xnox: thanks :)
15:24:21 <skaet> ..
15:24:35 * skaet looks for any other hands before going on to other questions...
15:25:05 <skaet> gema,  any concerns about desktop arm testing for next week?
15:25:22 <gema> skaet: we haven't done any arm testing that I am aware of, hggdh will do on monday
15:25:38 <gema> skaet: ogra_ may have something to report, though
15:25:42 <skaet> gema, ok, so he and plars are contacts.
15:25:47 <seb128> (not that you could test arm, unity didn't land)
15:25:58 <gema> skaet: yes, and psivaa
15:26:13 <gema> skaet: we are going to have more people than ever before testing, please bear with us while we adjust
15:26:26 <skaet> seb128,  was assuming it was going to land today, and based on ogra_'s comments in his report.
15:26:29 <gema> skaet: I will be on holidays so if you need a point of contact use either psivaa or plars , given timezones
15:26:52 <seb128> skaet, yeah, that's the plan, I was replying to the "<gema> skaet: we haven't done any arm testing"
15:27:04 <seb128> skaet, monday sounds good
15:27:08 <gema> seb128: ack
15:27:19 <skaet> gema, seb128 thanks.
15:27:52 <skaet> ..
15:28:38 <skaet> slangasek, do you know if the Google OnAir session on how to use your panda board has been scheduled?
15:28:44 <slangasek> it has not
15:29:12 <skaet> any chance we can get it for early next week?
15:29:12 <seb128> o/
15:29:32 <slangasek> skaet: with ogra out today and me out for the US holiday on Monday, probably not
15:29:44 <slangasek> I'm looking at Thursday
15:29:59 <slangasek> (yeah, it's beta day... that means everything should be calm and people have time to watch videos, right? ;)
15:30:21 <skaet> heh,  I was thinking of getting more testers ramped up earlier actually ;)
15:30:44 <xnox> slangasek: dual screen: one for videos the other one for image testing ;-)
15:30:57 <slangasek> skaet: unlikely, sorry
15:34:48 * skaet_ wonders if seb128 saw the go comment, and responded while she got disconnected.
15:34:57 <seb128> skaet_, no I didn't
15:35:00 <seb128> <slangasek> skaet: unlikely, sorry
15:35:01 <seb128> skaet a quitté (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
15:35:02 <seb128> 
15:35:05 <seb128> that all I saw
15:35:14 <skaet_> thanks.
15:35:15 <seb128> I had quick q
15:35:21 <skaet_> go seb128
15:35:23 <seb128> slangasek, XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, before beta1?
15:35:40 <slangasek> seb128: trying to get the uploads done today
15:35:45 <seb128> \o/
15:35:48 <seb128> slangasek, thanks
15:35:48 <seb128> ..
15:35:52 <slangasek> whether the release team want to accept it is another matter :)
15:36:59 <skaet_> :)
15:37:20 * skaet_ figures its likely, but depends on what it actually end up being.
15:37:47 <skaet_> ..
15:37:50 <skaet_> ?
15:38:32 <skaet_> knome,   Ubuntu studio, Xubuntu, Lubuntu - waiting for indicator-application-gtk2 to be updated to fix build failures.  what is plan here,  will land before monday?  dependencies on other teams to make it?
15:38:48 <skaet_> or astraljava^ or ...?
15:39:10 <seb128> so about that it's part of those binaries that stopped being built from source by Ubuntu
15:39:23 <seb128> so it's one of those "need to bring back and old source as -gtk2 to universe"
15:39:58 <slangasek> why is that preferable over re-enabling the binary build in the existing source?  Is it because the code has been dropped?
15:40:25 <seb128> gtk2 support has been dropped
15:40:32 <slangasek> ok
15:40:38 <seb128> they said they would get ride of all their ton of ifdefs and legacy code after the LTS
15:40:48 <slangasek> so definitely needs to be a separate source package, which someone who needs it can resurrect from the archive without too much difficulty
15:40:58 <seb128> right
15:41:14 <seb128> just take the precise version, drop the gtk3 binary and put it under a different source name
15:41:19 <Laney> in the meantime all affected flavours have dropped it from their seeds
15:41:22 <seb128> the protocol didn't change
15:41:54 <seb128> ..
15:41:54 <slangasek> Laney: they've preferred this over picking up the old code branch?
15:41:59 <skaet_> knome, astraljava, scott-work, gilir ^ who is taking point on getting this done.  wasn't clear from status emails.
15:42:06 <gilir> indicator-applications is the easiest one, as it's not using any gtk3 specific code
15:42:12 <Laney> slangasek: no, it's just an interim solution
15:42:15 <slangasek> ok
15:42:22 <Laney> someone (sorry, I forgot who) told me they were working on bringing it back
15:42:50 <gilir> skaet_, xubuntu dev is working on indicator-application re-upload
15:43:14 <gilir> do we need FFe for this ?
15:43:30 <gilir> just to know what paperwork we need to bring this back
15:43:32 <slangasek> I wouldn't think so
15:43:34 <gilir> ..
15:43:44 <skaet_> gilir,  having a bug for tracking this though,  would be good.
15:44:01 <skaet_> (not a FFe, but rather making sure we all know who's working on it, etc.)
15:44:09 <skaet_> ..
15:44:49 * skaet_ looks around to see if other questions?
15:45:02 <scott-work> none from me
15:47:07 <Daviey> can we go home?
15:47:12 <skaet_> yup.  :)
15:47:19 <skaet_> #endmeeting
15:47:22 <popey> \o/
15:47:23 <popey> thanks
15:47:28 <xnox> thanks all.
15:47:32 <balloons> lol
15:47:33 <Laney> THE BOT DISAGREES
15:47:36 <skaet_> Thanks popey, brendan, scott-work, smartboyhw, seb128, gilir, arosales, slangasek, gilir, Laney, xnox, jibel, gema, ScottK.
15:47:41 <scott-work> bye
15:47:44 <slangasek> thanks all
15:47:51 <skaet> #endmeeting