#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by Laney at 14:01:21 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-27-14.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Review of action items *micahg to document the zentyal packageset (Laney, 14:03:19) *micahg to ping beuno regarding CC discussion on whether upload rights should confer membership (Laney, 14:03:35) *stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights (Laney, 14:05:51) *stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights (Laney, 14:06:27) *remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC (Laney, 14:06:49) *Laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets (Laney, 14:07:15) ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/ which other ones are a concern? (Laney, 14:07:32) ''ACTION:'' laney to delete network-manager packageset (Laney, 14:09:08) ''ACTION:'' laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset (Laney, 14:09:17) ''ACTION:'' laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed (Laney, 14:09:29) *Per-Package Uploader application: Keng-Yu Lin ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keng-YuLin/PPU (Laney, 14:10:41) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule (kengyu, 14:42:58) ''ACTION:'' stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts (Laney, 14:55:48) *AOB *next chair ''ACTION:'' next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed) (Laney, 14:58:00) Meeting ended at 14:58:03 UTC. == Votes == * Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * laney to delete network-manager packageset * laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset * laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed * stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts * next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed) == Action items, by person == * cody-somerville ** next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed) * stgraber ** stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts * tumbleweed ** next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed) * **UNASSIGNED** ** laney to delete network-manager packageset ** laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset ** laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed == People present (lines said) == * Laney (70) * kengyu (24) * meetingology (19) * micahg (17) * tumbleweed (13) * bdrung (9) * barry (6) * ScottK (3) * stgraber (0) * cody-somerville (0) == Full Log == 14:01:21 #startmeeting 14:01:21 Meeting started Mon Aug 27 14:01:21 2012 UTC. The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 14:01:21 14:01:21 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 14:01:34 who's here? 14:01:38 o/ 14:01:46 o/ 14:01:47 * bdrung is here, but ill. 14:01:51 o/ 14:02:23 is the agenda current? 14:02:38 * Laney is looking at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-13-19.09.html and seeing things not on there 14:03:04 Laney: it is now :) 14:03:10 heh 14:03:11 #topic Review of action items 14:03:19 #subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset 14:03:21 pending? 14:03:24 yeah 14:03:35 #subtopic micahg to ping beuno regarding CC discussion on whether upload rights should confer membership 14:03:47 done - yokozar started it 14:04:12 we got some +1s - should be able to finish with this before the next meeting? 14:04:21 sounds likely 14:04:28 ok 14:04:39 yeah, if everyone could please respond (DMB members, myself included) 14:04:47 will someone get the CC to decide? 14:04:49 I'll +1 14:05:16 well, the idea was we (DMB) decide and the CC only acts if we're deadlocked 14:05:30 oh, so we can just go ahead 14:05:31 AIUI at least :) 14:05:31 doesn't sound like we're deadlocked 14:05:33 sounds good 14:05:51 #subtopic stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights 14:06:02 I think this was done as well 14:06:17 I also believe that to be the case 14:06:27 #subtopic stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights 14:06:34 that's scott remnant fyi 14:06:38 oops 14:06:49 #subtopic remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC 14:06:56 & also done 14:07:15 #subtopic Laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets 14:07:24 I just pinged Luke about sugar 14:07:32 http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/ which other ones are a concern? 14:07:50 is unr used? 14:07:52 Which Scott? 14:07:55 I propose to contact the TB as owners to get rid of unr/netbook(/mobile?) 14:08:00 ScottK: not you :) 14:08:03 OK. 14:08:03 27/08 15:06:34 that's scott remnant fyi 14:08:07 ScottK: keybuk 14:08:25 tumbleweed provided the critical part of the answer to my question. 14:08:43 cyphermox just said in #-desktop that networkmanager is unused 14:09:03 Laney: schooltool and mobile 14:09:08 #action laney to delete network-manager packageset 14:09:08 * meetingology laney to delete network-manager packageset 14:09:17 #action laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset 14:09:17 * meetingology laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset 14:09:29 #action laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed 14:09:29 * meetingology laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed 14:09:33 ok? 14:09:39 sounds good 14:10:33 #topic Per-Package Uploader application: Keng-Yu Lin 14:10:41 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keng-YuLin/PPU 14:10:53 kengyu: Hey, that's you ;-) 14:11:03 hello all. /wave 14:11:10 kengyu: Can you introduce yourself and your application please? 14:11:50 I am a Canonical employee; I work in the Hardware Enablement team, we are responsible for the Ubuntu preloads for OEMs. 14:12:20 I am from Taipei, Taiwan, and am also a Ubuntu user for long time. :-) 14:12:44 I am applying the PPU for fwts... 14:13:20 Can you quickly explain for the laymen here what fwts is about? 14:13:55 because it is part of HWE team's project, and we offer the software for a various uses (certification, OEM, UEFI plugfest, etc). 14:14:50 it's suite of tests focusing on BIOS (or firmware in others words) and UEFI hardware (we are still working on this). 14:15:25 kengyu: what does fwts stand for? 14:15:51 "FirmWare Test Suite" 14:16:45 the current tests fwts has in documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/fwts 14:18:05 kengyu: I noticed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwts/0.24.21 you switched from dh-autoreconf to autoreconf, could you please explain why that was done? 14:19:27 it's just because that Lucid does not have dh-autoreconf and Lucid was the LTS at that time, so I decided to keep the latest code working on Lucid. 14:22:41 kengyu: were you aware that dh-autoreconf did more than just the configure step? 14:24:15 kengyu: also, since I assume you weren't uploading to the archive, dh-autoreconf was available in lucid-backports 14:27:56 micahg, I think dh-autoreconf does not cleaning work. But my original intention was not to "revert" the use of dh-autoreconf and use hand-made 'autoreconf' commands in debian/rules... 14:29:15 I added the dh-autoreconf support in a previous patch. But had another one to use autoreconf because of Lucid support. 14:29:24 kengyu: right, which would be fine, but there are two parts and I only saw the configure part in that changelog 14:29:45 s/changelog/diff/ 14:30:30 micahg, it's good to know that it is in Lucid-backports. at the time I just noticed the build failure in the PPA. 14:31:42 kengyu: right, the more important part though is only implementing a partial manual rule in its place 14:33:20 micahg, Yes, thanks for this. This will be something I will work on. :-) 14:33:28 thanks 14:33:33 does anybody have any other questions? 14:33:51 sure 14:33:56 kengyu: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=hwe/fwts.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca9a4ac791265e0e4e945c2472aee6650b078d7d 14:34:09 does that mean it's ging to get upstream releases soon? 14:34:15 *going 14:36:05 tumbleweed, it's the plan. at least releasing as a tarball eases the pain for packaging for other distros (we've seen bug reported from gentoo too). 14:36:17 yeah 14:36:24 can we expect to see it in Debian, too, then? 14:37:29 I have that as my plan. But it takes some more time before issuing the ITP. the ACPICA code (is in fwts) from Intel has some legal/copyright issue. 14:37:58 there will be some more discussion I expect. 14:38:05 * tumbleweed looks forward to that at some point 14:39:34 kengyu: Quick question about the Ubuntu release cycle 14:39:49 kengyu: Do you know what Feature Freeze is and how it would impact any uploads of fwts you might perform? 14:40:32 Laney, yes, after that freeze any upload will require the FFE. 14:41:34 kengyu: Where can you find out whethere we are in feature (or any other) freeze? 14:41:53 also, it's not quite 'any' upload — only ones which contain new features (i.e. aren't purely bug fix) 14:42:31 from wiki.ubuntu.com there is a schedule table. 14:42:58 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule 14:43:42 kengyu: thanks, that's it from me 14:43:45 bdrung: go 14:44:35 kengyu: fwts will fail to build twice in the row once you switch to the "3.0 (quilt)" source format 14:45:42 bdrung, really! I did not notice that. 14:46:02 kengyu: the source package content changes after one build: http://paste.debian.net/185847/ 14:46:26 that's what micahg was getting at with the autoreconf questions 14:46:44 kengyu: there might be no difference if you use the same autotools version 14:47:39 brendand, ok, I will look at this. there should be more cleaning. 14:47:57 it's what dh_autoreconf_clean would do for you if you used that 14:48:12 kengyu: do you check the lintian report including experimental before the upload? lintian found some typos in the source. 14:50:19 bdrung, no, I did check the lintian error/warning. But I just check the ones from pbuilder-dist... 14:50:57 kengyu: lintian has experimental and pedentic tags that are useful to check, too 14:51:32 running out of time, let's move on 14:51:34 barry: got anything to ask? 14:51:42 bdrung, this is nice to know. I will check it next time. :-) 14:51:47 Laney: no, my questions have already been asked by others 14:51:51 thanks 14:51:52 anyone else? 14:52:20 nothing important 14:52:33 education can continue elsewhere afterwards 14:52:54 #vote Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts 14:52:54 Please vote on: Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts 14:52:54 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 14:53:08 #voters bdrung Laney barry micahg tumbleweed stgraber cody-somerville 14:53:08 Current voters: Laney barry bdrung cody-somerville micahg stgraber tumbleweed 14:53:31 +1 14:53:31 +1 received from tumbleweed 14:53:38 +1 14:53:38 +1 received from barry 14:53:46 +1 14:53:46 +1 received from bdrung 14:53:58 +1 good endorsements, good review process upstream 14:53:58 +1 good endorsements, good review process upstream received from Laney 14:54:34 * Laney peers at micahg 14:54:40 +1, would love to see this in Debian soon 14:54:40 +1, would love to see this in Debian soon received from micahg 14:55:09 #endvote 14:55:09 Voting ended on: Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts 14:55:09 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 14:55:09 Motion carried 14:55:16 congratulations! 14:55:41 thanks. :-) 14:55:48 #action stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts 14:55:48 * meetingology stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts 14:55:54 #topic AOB 14:56:47 silence is good 14:56:52 #topic next chair 14:57:01 who is it? 14:57:03 I lost track 14:57:08 cody-somerville :) 14:57:44 or? 14:57:46 probably me, in practice 14:57:51 ok 14:57:52 i think so 14:58:00 #action next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed) 14:58:00 * meetingology next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed) 14:58:02 cheers 14:58:03 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)