#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by pleia2 at 17:01:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-16-17.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda (pleia2, 17:01:47) *Ubuntu Membership Board GMT+ catchup ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu is still accurate at first glance (sabdfl, 17:08:58) ''ACTION:'' czajkowski to look into into getting the /Membership wiki page translated (pleia2, 17:14:50) ''ACTION:'' Membership board to look into writing simplified membership page (pleia2, 17:17:38) *Any other business ''ACTION:'' YokoZar to email DMB ~ membership not being required for PPU rights (YokoZar, 17:27:24) ''ACTION:'' YokoZar to push new branch of CoC update based on latest Etherpad (YokoZar, 17:27:46) Meeting ended at 17:30:50 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * czajkowski to look into into getting the /Membership wiki page translated * Membership board to look into writing simplified membership page * YokoZar to email DMB ~ membership not being required for PPU rights * YokoZar to push new branch of CoC update based on latest Etherpad == Action items, by person == * czajkowski ** czajkowski to look into into getting the /Membership wiki page translated * YokoZar ** YokoZar to email DMB ~ membership not being required for PPU rights ** YokoZar to push new branch of CoC update based on latest Etherpad == People present (lines said) == * pleia2 (37) * cyphermox (20) * YokoZar (19) * czajkowski (19) * sabdfl (14) * hggdh (11) * micahg (9) * meetingology (7) * cjohnston (4) * Laney (2) * Gwaihir (1) * ejat (1) == Full Log == 17:01:03 #startmeeting 17:01:03 Meeting started Thu Aug 16 17:01:03 2012 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:01:03 17:01:03 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:01:19 Community Council meeting :) welcome all 17:01:23 aloha 17:01:28 allo allo 17:01:47 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda 17:01:48 o/ 17:02:20 so I think the only thing we really have on the agenda is catching up with the 12:00 membership board 17:02:28 #topic Ubuntu Membership Board GMT+ catchup 17:02:37 who all is here from that board? 17:02:41 o/ 17:02:47 cyphermox: hey there 17:02:48 * cjohnston is from 2200, but I'm here 17:03:01 the boards are rather fluid anyway, all welcome 17:03:04 czajkowski: hi :) 17:03:11 * micahg is GMT- (US) 17:03:23 o/ 17:03:32 o/ 17:03:39 we pretty much just take this opportunity to check in, make sure there aren't any problems or blockers, ask for nice stories :) 17:03:42 * hggdh is flexible 17:03:43 * micahg doesn't quite understand how GMT+ is descriptive of a time 17:04:18 pleia2: it seems to me as though the new split of the boards is working pretty well to both get good time coverage, and avoid meetings without quorum 17:05:00 the biggest issue I've noticed (and it wasn't all that much, just complicated) was for some applicants in Myanmar IIRC who can't sign the CoC. 17:05:13 I'm not certain of the current status of that 17:05:30 cyphermox: I asked the user to let us know exactly what steps they were taking 17:05:41 there's also an issue of people not realizing that significant and sustained contributions are required for membership 17:05:50 indeed 17:06:00 but I think this has always been the case 17:06:07 so launchpad could look into it and possibly see if another keyserver should be used. 17:06:23 micahg: what do you mea? 17:06:32 are people applying too soon or not tracking their work ? 17:06:42 Possibly both. 17:06:45 imo 17:06:56 Or either 17:06:57 yeah 17:07:37 agree. We've had some (few) applications for membership thought of as a permission to contribute, basically 17:07:56 * pleia2 nods 17:08:17 I think we did a good job at explaining the idea though; and it was well received and understood 17:08:58 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu is still accurate at first glance 17:09:14 perhaps exhaustingly so :) 17:09:16 The issue I think is that we can hardly make it clearer on the wiki, so yes we're dependent on people actually reading the pages 17:09:33 cyphermox: That worries me about some unseen portion of people not contributing because they don't want to bother applying for membership 17:10:00 YokoZar: I wonder if that would really stop people from contributing? 17:10:09 even https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards does link to the membership guidelines, and that's the page they add their name to, so it is at least seen (if not read) 17:10:12 Perhaps it's a thing of making "Ubuntu Membership" a more visible concept than "contribute to ubuntu" 17:10:21 (for some instances) 17:10:39 pleia2: sabdfl: perhaps we could like to ContributeToUbuntu from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership 17:11:14 well, who to apply for rights is wrong on that wiki page (I don't think I've ever seen that page before :)) 17:11:27 on the ContributeToUbuntu page that is 17:11:27 cyphermox: maybe something like "Not ready for membership yet? Learn more about how you can ContributeToUbuntu" 17:11:29 but I don't think it's going to change all that much; I'm afraid there will always be a portion of people who don't read or don't understand what we mean, due to the language barrier maybe. 17:11:50 cyphermox: agreed 17:12:13 I think it's far fvrom being a moajority of the applications that really run into this kind of problem, we can always explain in more detail during the meeting 17:12:20 well we could ask the community to help translate the pages? 17:12:31 that would be nice 17:12:33 cjohnston: yes 17:12:36 woops 17:13:03 cyphermox: :) 17:13:21 ok I'll look into getting the membership age translated if folks want 17:13:39 pleia2: sabdfl YokoZar that seem like a good ide? 17:13:43 *idea 17:13:45 yes, thanks :) 17:13:53 I can spend some time to translate it to French, perhaps 17:14:02 pleia2: action me that and will sort that out monday 17:14:07 or tomorrow before I leave 17:14:50 #action czajkowski to look into into getting the /Membership wiki page translated 17:14:50 * meetingology czajkowski to look into into getting the /Membership wiki page translated 17:15:26 perhaps we just need a simplified version in the local language? 17:16:14 or perhaps a simplified version also in English, pointing to the full version 17:16:26 where we only hightlight the points 17:16:52 hggdh: +1 17:17:38 #action Membership board to look into writing simplified membership page 17:17:38 * meetingology Membership board to look into writing simplified membership page 17:17:41 there :) 17:18:14 heh 17:18:26 anything else? 17:18:46 not from me, I am happy as a drunken clam 17:19:03 thanks for coming, we'll invite you guys back on September 20th if other members wish to join us at a meeting then 17:19:16 cheers 17:19:20 (might even plan to follow up on how this membership page stuff is going) 17:19:36 #topic Any other business 17:19:38 * hggdh goes for a lunch 17:19:51 anyone have anything else they wish to announce or bring up during this CC meeting? 17:20:13 just the CoC review 17:20:33 any update YokoZar ? 17:20:51 Is it just waiting on me now? 17:21:06 Or are there still sections we needed to redo in other ways 17:21:11 YokoZar: can you have a look at the etherpad and update language/grammar issues? 17:21:26 then dholbach will check in the changes and we'll review again 17:21:44 Yeah. I was holding off a bit on a couple sections cause I thought we might redo them to mean something different. 17:21:53 But I'll take a hack at it today then. 17:22:13 we're pretty much set, just give me a nudge if you're unsure about any sections (I think it could use a little cleanup) 17:22:22 Sorry I got disconnected for last 10 minutes somehow :/ 17:22:50 o/ 17:23:06 Anyway there was something I wanted to discuss (that micahg brought up earlier) :) 17:23:09 * ejat sorry im late, just arrive home from work .. 17:23:33 * micahg puts his DMB hat on 17:23:39 Yup 17:24:03 The idea is pretty simple: Remove the instant grant of membership that being granted upload rights has. 17:24:16 and in so doing remove the requirement that an uploader be a member 17:24:44 beuno was supposed to send an email to the DMB board list to discuss that, but he's been quite busy 17:24:46 Noting that uploading could in itself be a kind of significant/sustained contribution that could one day grant membership 17:24:50 can you? 17:24:53 Sure 17:24:56 in the name of accelerating upload permissions for promising contributors who don't yet meet the "substantial and sustained" test? 17:25:08 sabdfl: yes, exactly 17:25:14 sounds sensible 17:25:17 sabdfl: precisely. Maybe someone is trusted for a single package that they upload once a year or something. 17:25:35 oh, i thought we did this when we introduced per-package-uploads, and package sets? 17:25:46 the meeting it was discussed and action item are from early july: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/TeamReports/12/July 17:25:49 it sounds like a nice idea, but don't we already look for significant/sustained contributions to grant upload rights? 17:26:05 cyphermox: not so much for PPUs 17:26:13 ah; right 17:26:45 cyphermox: for general "I am Ubuntu developer and can upload to all of universe" we would though 17:27:09 yes, I understand the issue is far more specific to PPU rights :) 17:27:14 * cyphermox goes to lunch 17:27:24 #action YokoZar to email DMB ~ membership not being required for PPU rights 17:27:24 * meetingology YokoZar to email DMB ~ membership not being required for PPU rights 17:27:42 thanks :) 17:27:46 #action YokoZar to push new branch of CoC update based on latest Etherpad 17:27:46 * meetingology YokoZar to push new branch of CoC update based on latest Etherpad 17:27:51 \o/ 17:28:15 All right then 17:28:21 ok, anything else? 17:28:22 can normal people like me see this branch and pad? ;-) 17:28:41 Laney: we will be making the branch public after this 17:29:03 and we won't publish formally until we have the community review again 17:29:09 yup 17:29:12 same as before 17:29:15 which worked out well 17:29:17 Laney, please do look at it to see if it reflects our UDS session 17:29:30 I'd like to, that's why I'm asking where it is 17:29:31 i will do a review once there's a delta 17:29:36 cool, thank you Laney 17:29:37 we fixed the "ubuntu is more important than your husband and dog" part :) 17:29:58 but yeah, we'll get it publich asap 17:30:07 published too 17:30:16 i liked Rick's framing - "contribute to Ubuntu with the intention of making it better for its users" 17:30:21 cool 17:30:25 thanks all 17:30:31 thanks everyone 17:30:50 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)