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14:13:09 <smartboyhw> Okay, hi
14:13:24 <stochastic> hi
14:14:00 <smartboyhw> #topic Report on Ubuntu Studio
14:14:22 <stochastic> hi holstein
14:14:28 <smartboyhw> If anyone had anything to say about Ubuntu Studio development or progress, please o/
14:14:34 <holstein> stochastic: \o/
14:14:44 <holstein> o/
14:15:01 <smartboyhw> holstein: PLease
14:15:36 <smartboyhw> holstein: Go ahead
14:16:51 <holstein> i was just saying im present... if Len-nb has something, that would be relavant
14:17:26 <stochastic> Len-nb, you were saying about the commits that need pushing?
14:17:41 <stochastic> before FF hits
14:18:15 <smartboyhw> len-nb: Are you here?
14:18:16 <Len-nb> -look -settings and the seeds/metas need to get done too.
14:18:36 <Len-nb> takes time to type smartboyhw
14:18:40 <smartboyhw> Sorry
14:18:47 <smartboyhw> You haven't o/ed
14:18:58 <stochastic> o/
14:19:19 <smartboyhw> Please, stochastic
14:19:22 <Len-nb> I had thought there was another but it is for 12.04.1 and it looks it won't get used.
14:19:46 * stochastic doesn't understand the o/ system
14:19:59 * Len-nb too
14:20:12 <smartboyhw> o/ in first sight means that you are present
14:20:24 <smartboyhw> o/ now means you want to bring up a topic
14:20:58 <smartboyhw> ..
14:21:29 <holstein> smartboyhw: re-link the meeting agenda, and lets go from there
14:21:54 <Len-nb> stochastic, the seeds to meta stuff seems to not work acourding to micahg. He will work on it when time permits
14:22:01 <holstein> we can see if Len-nb has time to report on progress today, and try and give ScottL time to show
14:22:38 <stochastic> michag only has 10 days before FF
14:22:41 <holstein> Len-nb: is that in 12.10?.. how about 12.04.1 or whatever... is that all good?
14:22:53 <smartboyhw> So guys, do you think we can meet the 23/8 schedule of releasing Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1?
14:23:25 <Len-nb> holstein, as far as I know we are not really doing anything for 04.1
14:23:53 <holstein> Len-nb: hopefully, its just a matter of testing... and i think some folks were testing for US
14:24:04 <holstein> i know the xubuntu team always helps US out
14:24:13 <smartboyhw> Yep, just finished testing 12.04.1 image for 64-bit
14:24:20 <smartboyhw> Reported on ISO QA Tracker
14:24:38 <holstein> smartboyhw: cool.. thanks... i think thats all we'll have to do for 12.04
14:24:41 <Len-nb> There is a -settings commited that could be used tha fixes minor menu details, but Scott doesn't seem enthused
14:25:19 <Len-nb> I have done a few 12.04.1 i386 tests too
14:25:32 <smartboyhw> Len-nb does 32-bit, me does 64-bit
14:25:34 <stochastic> excellent, so I think we should make a motion to push for image testers for 12.04.1 just to make sure everything is all good.  A call on the mailing list or something similar
14:25:47 <Len-nb> second
14:25:49 <smartboyhw> Len-nb: You know astraljava took over coordination of testing?
14:25:51 <holstein> i have done some unofficial FW tests with ailo
14:26:21 <smartboyhw> #action Len-nb and smartboyhw to find more people to test 12.04.1 daily images
14:26:21 * meetingology Len-nb and smartboyhw to find more people to test 12.04.1 daily images
14:26:22 <Len-nb> FW = ?
14:26:24 <holstein> yeah... just an email letting everyone know testing is needed...
14:26:29 <holstein> Len-nb: firewire
14:26:41 <Len-nb> Ah! right
14:26:52 <stochastic> holstein, how'd they turn out?
14:27:26 <holstein> stochastic: so far so good... im actually still personally running 10.04 on my production machine, but i will upgrade to 12.04 when i have time
14:27:52 <Len-nb> I still miss gcdmaster
14:27:53 <stochastic> Ok, I think busniess for 12.04.1 is sorted as much as we can for now
14:27:56 <holstein> stochastic: seems better all the time actually.. especially without the *-realtime kernel.. i find that less and less manditory
14:28:02 <holstein> Len-nb: me too :/
14:28:17 <stochastic> or should we discuss release announcement for 12.04.1?  Is one needed?
14:28:45 <Len-nb> stochastic, on the website when released
14:28:51 <holstein> stochastic: i think someone should mention it to scottL, and one of us can offer to help make on if needed
14:28:54 <smartboyhw> stochastic: Let us write an email to users list
14:29:48 <Len-nb> The main thing with 12.04.1 is it save upgrading about 200 packages at install for late adopters
14:29:52 <stochastic> someone with knowledge of the changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1 needs to draft a couple explanation notes
14:30:22 <holstein> stochastic: maybe we could just look at the main ubuntu ones and copy/edit a bit
14:30:24 <smartboyhw> Question: Who has that knowledge?
14:30:32 <holstein> or xubuntu...
14:30:49 <stochastic> ok
14:30:49 <Len-nb> holstein, you have it right
14:31:25 <holstein> i bet the xubuntu ones are pretty much exactly ours... since we didnt change any studio specific stuff
14:31:52 <smartboyhw> So we can transfer Xubuntu to Ubuntu Studio!
14:31:59 <Len-nb> I am not if they made changes either, vanilla may cover it.
14:32:13 <stochastic> I'll volunteer to draft one up for us and post it.
14:32:23 <smartboyhw> stochastic: I agree
14:32:31 <Len-nb> the big thing is xfce4.10 which 12.10
14:33:05 <smartboyhw> #action: stochastic to write a draft for changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1
14:33:05 * meetingology : stochastic to write a draft for changes between 12.04 and 12.04.1
14:34:10 <stochastic> so on to 12.10 chat, any big things need squishing before FF?  let's get at least one action item hammered out for 12.10
14:34:46 <Len-nb> firefox branding, publishing meta
14:35:20 <Len-nb> Hmm, the people I need to ask are not here
14:35:21 <stochastic> holstein, do you have upload privileges?
14:36:19 <holstein> stochastic: to the site? i dont think so... but ScottL does ...i havnet checked to see if my old creds work on the official site
14:36:28 <holstein> stochastic: i'll help sort that out though...
14:36:42 <smartboyhw> holstein: Thanks
14:36:44 <stochastic> holstein, not to the site, I have those, I mean to the repos?
14:37:13 <stochastic> to help push commits through
14:37:14 <holstein> stochastic: nah... that would be scott or one of the motu's... i think we can just ask someone for help
14:37:35 <stochastic> persia is usually pretty good at helping out, also TheMuso
14:38:01 <smartboyhw> Who should we select?
14:38:07 <stochastic> Len-nb, can you talk to those gents to see if you can get the commits published?
14:38:14 <holstein> yup... if we put the word out, i think we can get a hand.. let me know if you need help tracking someone down stochastic
14:38:21 <Len-nb> I will try that
14:38:33 <stochastic> excellent, sounds like an action item
14:38:47 <smartboyhw> So what should we write for action?
14:39:21 <smartboyhw> #action holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs
14:39:21 * meetingology holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs
14:39:40 <smartboyhw> Anyone saw the action item? So many people quit
14:39:53 <holstein> smartboyhw: netsplit
14:40:03 <stochastic> please post the action item again
14:40:24 <smartboyhw> #action holstein and Len-dt to find someone for pushing commits
14:40:24 * meetingology holstein and Len-dt to find someone for pushing commits
14:40:54 <smartboyhw> Is this one OK?
14:40:56 <stochastic> The firefox branding, where are we on that, is a fix committed?
14:41:04 <stochastic> smartboyhw, looks great
14:41:12 <smartboyhw> Thanks, stochastic
14:41:19 <Len-nb> I need to find out if I should do more or less.
14:41:52 <Len-nb> so far I have home page. but that will have to come off.
14:42:01 <Len-nb> I have bookmarked our site
14:42:16 <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Nice job!
14:42:19 <Len-nb> but the blueprints seem to suggest more bookmarks
14:42:39 <stochastic> baby steps are still good steps :)
14:43:05 <smartboyhw> Maybe we can bookmark Wiki pages and how to contribute?
14:43:10 <stochastic> I'd be happy to chat after the meeting with you Len about the intricacies of the branding?
14:43:30 <Len-nb> I can commit what I have or add more. xchat is stuck right now
14:43:45 <smartboyhw> Uh oh, Len-nb.
14:44:26 <Len-nb> I may just add a menu item that starts xchat on #ubuntustudio
14:44:37 <smartboyhw> #ubuntustudio-devel also
14:44:42 <Len-nb> No
14:44:48 <smartboyhw> OK
14:45:06 <stochastic> dev is for active volunteers
14:45:20 <smartboyhw> Ok, so only #ubuntustudio
14:45:23 <Len-nb> This would be right below the help item
14:45:41 <smartboyhw> #action: Len-nb to add menu item on xchat that starts #ubuntustudio
14:45:41 * meetingology : Len-nb to add menu item on xchat that starts #ubuntustudio
14:45:42 <stochastic> cool
14:45:59 <Len-nb> I think it will use the studio logo
14:46:23 <smartboyhw> It should
14:47:03 <stochastic> ok
14:47:19 <stochastic> what other major projects are we looking at in the next 10 days?
14:47:31 <smartboyhw> Major...Hmm...
14:47:37 <Len-nb> There is a new publishing meta.
14:47:38 <stochastic> or minor
14:48:01 <stochastic> have all the packages been screened/approved or is it just a rough draft still?
14:48:10 <Len-nb> I was just looking at our web page and it suggests we are shipping libreoffice
14:48:25 <smartboyhw> Len-nb: I agree we should ship it.
14:48:34 <Len-nb> I have not added office to the meta
14:48:42 <smartboyhw> So... ?
14:48:47 <Len-nb> It is quite large
14:48:49 <holstein> i could argue we shouldnt, but im with you guys
14:49:16 <holstein> its a full featured suite of tools that does not directly address anything ubuntustudio is about
14:49:16 <smartboyhw> So, action item on adding LibreOffice to Ubuutu Studio?
14:49:18 <Len-nb> The is an icon for extra software that maks it easy to load
14:49:40 <Len-nb> no ... or not yet
14:49:59 <smartboyhw> OK, so maybe we can ship it in future 12.10 releases...
14:50:09 <stochastic> Len-nb is there a package list I can take a look at?
14:50:15 <Len-nb> I am thinking maybe the website should be changed
14:50:24 <stochastic> which website page?
14:50:31 <smartboyhw> ubuntustudio.org?
14:50:32 <Len-nb> feature tour
14:50:42 <Len-nb> publishing
14:50:52 <smartboyhw> OK
14:50:57 <holstein> i remember arguing about libreoffice though...
14:51:10 <smartboyhw> So no LibreOffice or so?
14:51:11 <holstein> seems like it might be that it is supposed to be there
14:51:26 <Len-nb> I'll ask scott
14:51:27 <holstein> i would run it by ScottL first...
14:51:31 <smartboyhw> Ok
14:51:41 <holstein> i will go with whatever you guys go with...
14:51:41 <smartboyhw> So what's the action item for this?
14:51:50 <stochastic> Len-nb, right at the top of the feature tour page it reads "Allthough not everything is preinstalled, powerful tools for book publishing are at your fingertips, installable from the repo using Software Center."
14:51:53 <Len-nb> The other app mentioned is calibre
14:52:22 <smartboyhw> OK
14:52:26 <Len-nb> Ok, I will not worry about office then
14:52:33 <smartboyhw> So, ignore LibreOffice?
14:52:34 <stochastic> I don't think Calibre or LibreOffice should be shipped
14:52:35 <stochastic> personally
14:52:51 <smartboyhw> Action Item: Ignore office software?
14:53:16 <stochastic> is there a publishing meta that is being created for this release?
14:53:20 <Len-nb> Right. Ok, I think we worked out the workflow pretty good on the list
14:53:26 <Len-nb> It is commited
14:53:42 <Len-nb> Photography has been split and commited
14:53:47 <stochastic> ok
14:53:59 <Len-nb> so two new metas
14:54:06 <smartboyhw> GREAT!
14:54:12 <stochastic> so this falls under the pushing commits through subject that we already covered with the action item
14:54:19 <stochastic> :)
14:54:26 <smartboyhw> Action Item?
14:54:30 <Len-nb> Yup.
14:54:38 <smartboyhw> What should we write?
14:54:55 <holstein> asking scottL about libreoffice
14:55:29 <stochastic> smartboyhw, we already covered this meetingology> ACTION: holstein and Len-nb to find someone to publishing committs
14:55:36 <Len-nb> scott and ailo also have some workflow stuff they are working on for the bottom panel
14:55:36 <holstein> stochastic: i could go there too.. i think they dont fit in.. but i remember someone convincing me on the issue of publishing
14:55:40 <smartboyhw> Oh, that one
14:56:12 <smartboyhw> Anything more to say apart from this?
14:57:27 <smartboyhw> Anyone have more to say?
14:57:36 <stochastic> I'd like to say that I think the overall direction of graphics and publishing should be given someone to take the reigns.  Maybe not now.
14:58:04 <stochastic> maybe there already is
14:58:09 <holstein> stochastic: you mean, a team member who is into grahpis?
14:58:14 <holstein> graphics*
14:58:29 <smartboyhw> On stochastic's question, any volunteers?
14:58:32 <stochastic> or has a solid concept of where US should help publishers and graphic artists
14:58:54 <holstein> i think we have a lot of audio folks, and thats great, but it would be nice to cultivate a person or 2 for graphics and/or video
14:59:10 <stochastic> is troy_s ever around anymore?
14:59:12 <holstein> someone to come here like we are and say what works and what doesnt and why
14:59:15 <smartboyhw> Who will do graphics and video publishing?
14:59:20 <holstein> stochastic: havent seen him in a while
14:59:22 <stochastic> or Corey?
14:59:31 <Len-nb> Having the apps to make US interesting to these people may come first
14:59:39 <smartboyhw> Len-nb: I agree
14:59:41 <stochastic> agreed
14:59:50 <holstein> i think someone will materialize... ScottL does a lot of video actually
15:00:05 <stochastic> I can help slightly in the future with this planning
15:00:12 <stochastic> maybe not in the next 10 days
15:00:19 <smartboyhw> Maybe we should send a request along teh dev mail list for volunteers of helping graphics and video
15:00:38 <holstein> stochastic: i think that email needs to be well thought out
15:00:41 <Len-nb> Been done... in various ways
15:00:45 <holstein> some folks dont come to the IRC...
15:00:58 <holstein> stochastic: that was for smartboyhw ^^
15:01:48 <smartboyhw> That e-mail will be a job advertisement:)
15:01:55 <holstein> just be careful how you "ask" for help... we dont need more differing opinions, and folks doing work that we cant include.. we really need one person to "take the reigns" as stochastic suggested
15:01:57 <Len-nb> Part of the reason I am hesitant to add much more SW right now, is that I would like to see how big The ISO
15:02:04 <smartboyhw> OK
15:02:14 <smartboyhw> Len-nb: Make it under 2GB
15:02:26 <Len-nb> Too late already
15:02:33 <holstein> its over 2 now... and we have lots of "why dont we have this" emails on the list
15:02:44 <stochastic> Len-nb let's not add too much on this release, just get the ball moving
15:02:48 <smartboyhw> Make it under 4.7GiB (DVD capacity)
15:02:58 <smartboyhw> stochastic: +1
15:03:12 <holstein> swsure, but folks with limited bandwidth complain
15:03:18 <holstein> smartboyhw: ^
15:03:30 <holstein> you literally cant please everyone
15:03:33 <Len-nb> I am thinking If the seeds/metas get updated I will be able to see where we are
15:04:17 <holstein> i like the workflows idea.. a nice comfortable default, and you can click on "publishing" and install whatever is designated automagically
15:04:30 <Len-nb> scott was talking about adding kdenlive... but I am not sure... and knowing how big we are now would help
15:04:56 <smartboyhw> yeah, we are a small team
15:05:00 <Len-nb> holstein, that needs a ubiquity plugin
15:05:01 <stochastic> okay, for an action item, how about a graphics/publishing sub-committee is formed to polish the current release and shape the 13.04 release plan for these metas
15:05:25 <holstein> Len-nb: could be after the install, for all i care
15:05:43 <smartboyhw> stochastic: I agree. Everyone: Agree?
15:05:58 <smartboyhw> who will be in that sub-commitee?
15:06:05 <holstein> yeah.. i think thats a great goal
15:06:09 <stochastic> I'll join
15:06:09 <Len-nb> There is the live experience to look at
15:06:16 <smartboyhw> I'll join too
15:06:16 <holstein> gives some time for someone to step up
15:06:33 <Len-nb> I would use the list to set it up
15:06:35 <smartboyhw> Who's the chair of the sub-committee for now?
15:07:08 <stochastic> we'll sort out the members later, including the chair, we just need to have someone willing to organize the people interested
15:07:17 <smartboyhw> OK, so action item:
15:07:50 <smartboyhw> #action : stochastic and Len-nb and holstein and smartboyhw to set up a graphics and publishing sub-committee for teh abovementioned metas
15:07:50 * meetingology : stochastic and Len-nb and holstein and smartboyhw to set up a graphics and publishing sub-committee for teh abovementioned metas
15:07:57 <holstein> i think any of us can help shape that
15:08:02 <smartboyhw> Yep
15:08:58 <smartboyhw> So, anymore to say, guys?
15:09:26 <stochastic> I think we covered most things that need attention over the near future
15:09:44 <stochastic> and the meeting is starting to hit the 60min mark
15:09:56 <Len-nb> done
15:10:00 <smartboyhw> Good, so end meeting, everyone? o/ to agree
15:10:07 <stochastic> o?
15:10:09 <stochastic> o/
15:10:12 <Len-nb> o/
15:10:28 <smartboyhw> #endmeeting