#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by tumbleweed at 14:09:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-06-04-14.09.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Review of previous action items *Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron *MOTU Applications - Jeremy Bicha *Any other Business? Meeting ended at 15:07:16 UTC. == Votes == * MOTU for jbicha For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 1 == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * tumbleweed (34) * jbicha (28) * stgraber (26) * Laney (18) * meetingology (14) * micahg (12) * barry (10) * dholbach (6) * xnox (3) * ScottK (1) == Full Log == 14:09:03 #startmeeting 14:09:03 Meeting started Mon Jun 4 14:09:03 2012 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 14:09:03 14:09:03 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 14:09:33 #topic Review of previous action items 14:10:13 stgraber to give cfalco PPU for btpd and mame 14:10:22 that's done 14:10:23 micahg to add cfalco to ubuntu-dev 14:10:31 done 14:10:39 micahg to create LP team related to the new packageset 14:10:42 done 14:10:47 stgraber to create the packageset and make the new team the uploader of it 14:10:49 done 14:10:53 micahg to document the packageset 14:10:56 not yet 14:11:05 stgraber to review the freeze process with bencer 14:11:24 poked highvoltage about it, not sure of exact status 14:11:29 micahg to add bencer to zentyal packageset 14:11:50 tumbleweed to chair the next meeting <- doing 14:12:01 tumbleweed to fix membership monitoring script <- done 14:12:09 bencer has been added to the zentyal packageset 14:12:09 added to packageset (done) 14:12:15 cody-somerville and bdrung to vote in early meeting poll 14:13:19 * tumbleweed doesn't have the link for that to hand 14:13:52 they aren't here, so it probably doesn't matter to much :P 14:13:58 too 14:14:11 aha, bt appears only cody-somerville still needs to 14:14:17 ok, on to applications 14:15:00 #chair stgraber 14:15:00 Current chairs: stgraber tumbleweed 14:15:19 * tumbleweed hands the chari to stgraber while I run down the road to a pub. will pick up from there 14:15:45 right, so applications (/me loads the agenda) 14:16:13 #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications - Juan Negron 14:16:14 jbicha first, I think 14:16:18 oh, too late :) 14:16:58 negronjl: around? 14:17:42 * stgraber gives negronjl a minute, then will go with jbicha 14:18:29 #topic MOTU Applications - Jeremy Bicha 14:18:46 jbicha: around? 14:18:50 hi! 14:19:32 hey, can you introduce yourself quickly? (I think we all know you, but still ... :)) 14:19:42 I help package GNOME with the Ubuntu Desktop Team and I maintain ubuntu-docs. 14:21:16 I'm applying for MOTU because some GNOME-related stuff is in universe & not really suitable for the desktop-extra packageset 14:22:07 MOTU also is nice for getting new stuff into Ubuntu, and for the other interesting universe packages 14:22:11 hrm, unofficial stuff I guess? 14:22:22 Nothing you'd need for the new flavour, for example/ 14:22:23 yes 14:23:26 the new GNOME flavor if approved would probably overlap with the desktop-extra set 14:23:58 I hope we can keep it contained within main + desktop-extra 14:24:03 but there will still be universe stuff I'm interested in that won't be in either of those two sets 14:24:07 sure 14:24:37 jbicha: how much experience have you had with non-GNOME related packaging 14:24:58 what I mean is that I'm not sure we need the desktop-extra set if we have a "gnomebuntu" set 14:25:00 well, also, if there's a new flavor, there's a new seed metapackage (and desktop-extra might disappear) 14:26:27 if it comes with a fancy auto generated package set, that is very possible 14:27:55 micahg: most of what I've worked on has been GNOME, but I've occasionally worked with other things 14:28:51 my first Ubuntu upload was for moodle for instance & I worked with the kabikaboo maintainer to get that into Debian & then Ubuntu 14:29:16 kabikaboo is a python app for writing novels and such 14:30:30 the GNOME stuff usually uses cdbs but I'm fairly comfortable with dh7 as well 14:32:33 jbicha: is there any reason why you only have one endorsement? 14:33:55 micahg: I didn't do a good job of finding endorsements 14:34:16 for universe stuff, it looks like dholbach did most of the sponsoring 14:34:58 * dholbach hugs jbicha :) 14:35:35 as long as i can remember I never had to ask jbicha to re-do any of his work 14:35:54 it was AFAICR tip top work 14:36:08 jbicha: Do you think you'll get involved with other stuff MOTU does? 14:36:12 and he has had upload rights for desktop related stuff for quite a while 14:36:12 * ScottK feels comfortable with jbicha as MOTU as well. 14:36:26 Laney: what other stuff? 14:36:29 mentoring initiatives, sponsoring and stuff like that 14:36:49 QA activities especially nearer the release 14:37:17 * tumbleweed returns 14:37:56 yes I'd like to sponsor more stuff, getting new contributors included is important 14:39:18 I look at the nbs and ftbfs trackers and try to fix things where I can 14:39:22 the active team is pretty small these days, so people are always needed to pitch in with the leg work 14:39:32 jbicha: what's the best python build helper to use these days? 14:39:43 barry: dh_python2 :) 14:40:24 jbicha: good answer :) from a technical (not process) point of view, how would you convert from say py_support or py_central to dh_py2? 14:41:06 I basically follow the checklist at http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2 14:41:56 remove pycentral and pysupport from debian/control and fix debian/rules 14:42:13 jbicha: two-for-two :) from a process point of view, how would you handle cases where the debian package uses pysupport or pycentral, but the ubuntu version wants to use dhpy2? 14:43:26 generally I'd try to get the change into Debian first 14:44:24 jbicha: what if the debian maintainer doesn't want to use dhpy2, or doesn't respond after a reasonable amount of time? 14:46:29 well python-support and pycentral are deprecated so the Debian maintainer ought to consider switching 14:47:11 unless the package is shipped on a CD, I don't think dhpy2 alone is worth having a diff from Debian 14:47:13 jbicha: do you know how to tell if images are affected by your uploads? (MOTU can break everything except for Desktop and Kubuntu ATM) 14:47:56 jbicha: you're applying for motu, but do you think main v universe influences that decision? 14:48:00 I've just learned to use seeded-in-ubuntu for that 14:49:15 barry: yes, I don't think we want pysupport or pycentral in main at all and we would diverge from Debian to make that happen 14:49:27 jbicha: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce and reading it at least daily? 14:49:28 jbicha: thanks for your answers 14:49:52 stgraber: yes, I'm on too many mailing lists :) 14:50:07 * barry thinks you can never be on too many mailing lists :) 14:50:21 * micahg subscribes barry to lkml 14:51:00 jbicha: good. Also, would you be allowed to upload non-critical changes to a seeded package in quantal today? 14:51:57 stgraber: it's probably a bad idea since we're trying to get Alpha 1 out the door this week 14:53:10 good :) 14:55:54 vote? 14:56:31 sounds good 14:56:39 go go co-chair 14:56:54 #vote MOTU for jbicha 14:56:54 Please vote on: MOTU for jbicha 14:56:54 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 14:56:58 +1 14:56:58 +1 received from stgraber 14:57:03 +1 14:57:03 +1 received from Laney 14:57:35 +0, would've liked to have seen more endorsements and more non-GNOME related work 14:57:35 +0, would've liked to have seen more endorsements and more non-GNOME related work received from micahg 14:57:47 +1 14:57:47 +1 received from barry 14:58:53 waiting a bit longer for tumbleweed to reappear 14:58:56 +1 14:58:56 +1 received from tumbleweed 14:59:34 #endvote 14:59:34 Voting ended on: MOTU for jbicha 14:59:34 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 14:59:34 Motion carried 15:00:12 \o 15:00:24 thank you! 15:00:29 jbicha: congrats! 15:01:08 added to the team 15:01:19 dholbach: get the publicity out! 15:01:24 #topic Any other Business? 15:01:31 negronjl still appears to be missing 15:01:38 yeehaw 15:01:41 congratulations 15:01:55 ~rodrigo-moya appears to have expired from ubuntu-dev 15:01:57 well there isn't much time left anyway =) 15:02:01 stgraber: can you remove his PPU rights? 15:02:10 xnox: we have a nasty habit of running over 15:02:17 * Laney warms the fire for xnox next time 15:02:18 tumbleweed: yep 15:02:20 (by an hour or so) 15:02:46 next chair: stgraber? 15:02:52 * xnox notes down to bring olive oil and herbs for Laney 15:03:03 sounds good 15:03:06 tumbleweed: sure 15:03:26 anything else? 15:03:32 xnox: are you cooking for us? maybe we should make that a requirement for all applicants 15:04:02 barry: I believe Laney is setting me on fire, during the next meeting.... 15:04:04 tumbleweed: maybe I'm blind but I'm not seeing any PPU for jbicha, only membership in -desktop and -desktop-extra-dev 15:04:18 stgraber: rodrigo-moya 15:04:24 tumbleweed: ah! 15:04:44 * stgraber should read more than just the hilights 15:05:08 * tumbleweed mailed the list, abou tit 15:05:14 tumbleweed: rodrigo is also still in ubuntu-desktop 15:06:02 right. but he was in ubuntu-dev for PPU, so either we re-instate him into ubuntu-dev or remove the PPU rights 15:06:40 ok, removed 15:06:57 he just had two, couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb 15:07:01 great, thanks 15:07:16 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)