23:00:09 <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting 23:00:09 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed May 23 23:00:09 2012 UTC. The chair is bodhi_zazen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 23:00:09 <meetingology> 23:00:09 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 23:00:22 <bodhi_zazen> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda 23:00:42 <bodhi_zazen> Light schedule this month ;) 23:00:59 <s-fox> yay 23:01:05 <Iowan> +1 23:01:05 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] ARchiving Forums 23:01:12 <s-fox> thanks again bodhi_zazen for chairing this meeting 23:01:24 <bodhi_zazen> Did we ever come up with a policy for this ? 23:01:46 <s-fox> o/ 23:01:57 <cariboo907> I think we are still discussing it, some are for it and some are against 23:03:05 <bodhi_zazen> do we want to discuss this and determine if we can come to a consensus ? 23:03:38 <s-fox> Does anyone object to archiving seriously old posts? 23:03:49 <CharlesA> Not I. 23:03:51 <s-fox> very black and white, but just to punt it out there 23:04:10 <cariboo907> nope, I thought we decide on two year old threads, but I may be wrong 23:04:11 <bodhi_zazen> No, I think we should archive posts / threads which have become inactive for what __ months ? 23:04:14 <bodhi_zazen> 6-12 ? 23:04:21 <CharlesA> +1 23:04:24 <Iowan> Someone will object - but that someone is not me... 23:04:30 <CharlesA> 12 months seems reasonable imho 23:04:36 <s-fox> i would like to cover lts bodhi_zazen 23:04:51 <cariboo907> In the +1 forum they expect it every 6 months :) 23:04:58 <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]Archive threads inactive for > 12 months , every 6 months (in sync with release cycles) 23:04:58 <meetingology> Please vote on: Archive threads inactive for > 12 months , every 6 months (in sync with release cycles) 23:04:58 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 23:04:59 <CharlesA> heheh 23:05:07 <bodhi_zazen> +1 23:05:07 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen 23:05:10 <cariboo907> +1 23:05:10 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 23:05:11 <CharlesA> +1 23:05:11 <meetingology> +1 received from CharlesA 23:05:12 <s-fox> -1 23:05:12 <meetingology> -1 received from s-fox 23:05:15 <bodhi_zazen> LTS is not static though s-fox 23:05:27 <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE] 23:05:27 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Archive threads inactive for > 12 months , every 6 months (in sync with release cycles) 23:05:27 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 23:05:27 <meetingology> Motion carried 23:05:30 <Iowan> +0 23:05:41 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: how many fc members are here? 23:05:47 <Iowan> o/ 23:05:50 <coffeecat> o/ 23:05:52 <s-fox> o/ 23:05:53 <bodhi_zazen> o/ 23:05:57 <cariboo907> o/ 23:06:04 <s-fox> 5 ? 23:06:07 <CharlesA> Oopsie 23:06:10 <s-fox> okay :) just checking 23:06:25 <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on archiving ? 23:06:38 <s-fox> can you elaborate on lts bodhi_zazen ? 23:06:58 <s-fox> i don't mind the 12 moths, but stuff relevant for lts should not be archived 23:07:02 <bodhi_zazen> Well, even though LTS is supported for longer, some things get fixed 23:07:07 <cariboo907> 12.04 is supported for 5 years 23:07:08 <nothingspecial> I'm with s-fox on this one 23:07:26 <bodhi_zazen> So it seems reasonable to have the same policy - If a thread is inactive -> archive 23:07:31 <bodhi_zazen> it is still readable 23:07:44 <s-fox> forgive me but what is "inactive" ? 23:07:48 <bodhi_zazen> And after a year, who knows if it is still a problem or not 23:07:58 <cariboo907> +1 for even an LTS thread being archived if inactive 23:07:58 <bodhi_zazen> Inactive means no new posts 23:08:00 <s-fox> a black and white answer would be great 23:08:13 <s-fox> from when to when ? 23:08:26 <cariboo907> no posts for 6 months? 23:08:29 <s-fox> 6 , 12, 18 months/ 23:08:30 <s-fox> ? 23:08:33 <bodhi_zazen> From now (time of searcing data base ) - 12 months 23:08:46 <s-fox> i do not mind guidelines, providing they are clear :) 23:08:48 <bodhi_zazen> 12 seems to be the consensus 23:09:11 <cariboo907> +1 for 12 23:09:20 <s-fox> is the fc happy with 12? 23:09:23 <s-fox> +1 23:09:25 <bodhi_zazen> So every 6 months we archive threads with no posts for the last 12 months 23:09:29 <Iowan> 12 months from first post - or last? 23:09:34 <bodhi_zazen> last 23:10:28 <Iowan> should help w/ necromancy... 23:10:35 <bodhi_zazen> So a thread that was last posted on 8 months ago would not be archived now, but probably will be 6 months from now 23:10:47 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: suggest we move on ;) 23:10:59 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New theme 23:11:12 <s-fox> yay technoviking 23:11:15 <bodhi_zazen> Technoviking has been working hard on the new theme 23:11:16 <CharlesA> \o/ 23:11:20 <nothingspecial> +1 23:11:25 <cariboo907> +1 to yay TV 23:11:26 * Iowan likes 23:11:27 <coffeecat> +1 23:11:34 <bodhi_zazen> It is still in development, so send suggestions to 23:11:47 * s-fox is okay with it since font fix for non ubuntu users 23:11:49 <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1981875 23:12:17 <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on theme ? 23:12:19 <CharlesA> It still looks odd on an XP box with no Ubuntu font installed, but it looks ok. 23:12:22 <CharlesA> IMHO at least 23:12:28 * bodhi_zazen would still like a dark theme 23:12:31 <CharlesA> SAme bodhi_zazen 23:12:45 <s-fox> i know i played devils advocate, but felt i had to. so sorry if tv felt frustrated by lack of perceived support. i tried to be contructive with irc chats with him 23:13:13 <bodhi_zazen> It is a big chunk of code and AFIK too many cooks ... 23:13:28 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: +1 23:13:30 <CharlesA> yep, unfortunately 23:13:32 <s-fox> to dark theme 23:13:34 <Iowan> i's evolving nicely 23:13:35 <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977732 23:14:20 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Wiki team 23:14:30 <bodhi_zazen> Anyone here from the wiki team ? 23:14:36 <wildmanne39> o/ 23:14:42 <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11959014&postcount=49 23:15:07 <bodhi_zazen> I just wanted to thank all the members of the wiki team, it is a great working group 23:15:14 <bodhi_zazen> #ubuntu-wiki is now logged 23:15:17 <s-fox> shame hobgoblin is not here , he has been working really hard at making it work 23:15:40 <nothingspecial> +1 thanks elfy 23:15:42 <wildmanne39> nice 23:15:46 <bodhi_zazen> And we will start with askubuntu once the team gets any additional kinks worked out 23:15:46 <s-fox> +1 23:16:17 <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments for wiki team ? 23:16:28 <cariboo907> the only complaint I have, is that bodhi_zazen 's script doesn't work well on heavily formatted posts 23:16:29 <nothingspecial> Please people join 23:16:32 <s-fox> +0 askubuntu, that sayd i gave support in previous months but not really got involved ;) 23:16:53 <nothingspecial> it is a n easy way to start contributing to Ubuntu 23:17:02 <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: anything in particular that can be scripted ? 23:17:05 <bodhi_zazen> let me know 23:17:33 <s-fox> cariboo907: perhaps the script could be refined ? 23:17:34 <cariboo907> I'll look at it again, but this was a special case I think. 23:17:40 <bodhi_zazen> but yes, some of the posts on the forums are works of art, and as they are not all uniform, outliers are not going to script 23:18:13 <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://bodhizazen.net/tweaks/ubforums2ubwiki.sh.txt 23:18:40 <cariboo907> is that the same as last week, as I have a copy here? 23:18:41 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: while i remember, i have a small item that is not on the agenda atm. i would like to get some consensus from my fellow council members 23:18:46 <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: you can always PM me a link and I will look at it 23:19:04 <bodhi_zazen> no changes in last week cariboo907 23:19:13 <bodhi_zazen> what topic s-fox ? 23:19:18 <s-fox> i also have general message to the forum community which i would like to relay 23:19:31 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: spam bans on automated welcome email 23:19:32 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]General Message 23:20:06 <s-fox> may i speak bodhi_zazen ? 23:20:14 <bodhi_zazen> yes, please s-fox 23:20:59 <s-fox> I would just like to publicaly thank everyone for their support in my application for a seat on the ubuntu membership board, it was really touching to see everyone commenting positive things 23:21:11 <s-fox> </end> 23:21:16 <bodhi_zazen> \o/ 23:21:29 <nothingspecial> \o/ 23:21:32 <bodhi_zazen> When is the board going to be selected ? 23:21:34 * JonEdney claps 23:21:35 <moergaes> Most der 23:21:36 <s-fox> i thought i might get 3 or 4 +1's. i am at over 20 23:21:39 <moergaes> deserved 23:21:46 <s-fox> it has been incredible 23:22:34 <s-fox> hey moergaes :) 23:22:41 <sandyd> good job :) 23:23:04 <moergaes> s-fox: Hey! 23:23:28 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New Staff 23:23:53 <bodhi_zazen> I have to apologize for this, I know we talked about it ... 23:24:13 <s-fox> +1 on adding, but tz specific. i don't think we are suffering in europe or usa. i think asia / oz needs more on board 23:24:24 <bodhi_zazen> but I sort of got cold feet, I am not sure we have enough UFMembers yet for an election process 23:24:42 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: i have some good candidates, but none are uf members 23:24:51 <bodhi_zazen> So I am going to suggest we add 2 or 3 now, and look at 12.10 release for possible electiosn 23:24:59 <s-fox> bureaucracy appears to be winning 23:25:08 <s-fox> which i am not for 23:25:10 <bodhi_zazen> We can discuss candidates later 23:25:16 <s-fox> hey overdrank :) 23:25:25 <bodhi_zazen> 'lo overdrank =) 23:25:34 <Iowan> o/ 23:25:35 <JonEdney> question! 23:25:35 <overdrank> Sorry I am late and hey s-fox 23:25:48 <bodhi_zazen> Is it on topic JonEdney ? 23:25:49 <bodhi_zazen> then ask 23:26:04 <bodhi_zazen> Otherwise wait for open floor 23:26:14 <JonEdney> Thank you. Is there a link or any reading on what you are expecting from a staff member? I'm interested. 23:26:38 <s-fox> JonEdney: you mean a criteria ? 23:26:40 <bodhi_zazen> Good point, but no we do not have one 23:26:45 <JonEdney> Yes. 23:27:25 <bodhi_zazen> Generally they have to have thick skin, it is all fun and games until the trolling starts, and staff have big targets painted on their avatars 23:27:33 <JonEdney> Okay, no worries. I will help where I can, and go from there in the future. 23:27:54 <bodhi_zazen> They have to be Ubuntu Forums Members 23:28:10 <bodhi_zazen> So that sort of covers the kind / helpful / active on the forums part 23:28:18 <s-fox> JonEdney: i personally would expect a level of maturity , an active account on the forums and of course established forums community member 23:28:30 <s-fox> but that is just me and may not reflect the entire fc 23:28:43 <JonEdney> Of course. Thank you for the information. :) Carry on. 23:28:49 <bodhi_zazen> personally , at least aware of IRC helps 23:29:05 <bodhi_zazen> again, not necessarily reflective of entire FC 23:29:25 <bodhi_zazen> What do you want to do next ? 23:29:31 <bodhi_zazen> New members or open floor ? 23:29:41 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: how about the dev sub forum ? 23:29:54 <s-fox> mhall119: are you around ? 23:30:05 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Application development forum 23:30:40 <s-fox> i relayed some of the staff concerns on the topiic, mhall119 was going to provide answers :) 23:30:44 <s-fox> heard nothing since 23:31:09 <overdrank> I did not see this on the agenda so I am lost 23:31:13 <bodhi_zazen> OK, well if mhall119 comes in later we can probably take action, otherwise a reminder e-mail ? 23:31:26 <s-fox> +1 email reminder 23:31:29 <bodhi_zazen> overdrank: nope, did not get added to agenda 23:31:39 <s-fox> overdrank: i posted in the scc thread about my actions 23:31:41 <bodhi_zazen> OK, so new members or open floor ? 23:31:46 <Iowan> members 23:31:54 <cariboo907> new members I would think 23:31:57 <overdrank> Ok s-fox will search :) 23:32:03 <s-fox> +1 new members :) 23:32:05 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]New Members 23:32:11 <s-fox> overdrank: i will relay a link if you like 23:32:22 <overdrank> Its ok I will find :) 23:32:27 <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=404 23:32:41 <bodhi_zazen> roffiscoder you here ? 23:32:58 <s-fox> +1 to all except the one we discussed ;\0 23:33:28 <bodhi_zazen> roffisserver does not meet criteria, not active on the forums long enough 23:33:39 <s-fox> +1 bodhi_zazen 23:33:40 <bodhi_zazen> do we want to vote on that , ir just take action ? 23:34:02 <s-fox> i thought member had been pm'd 23:34:11 <coffeecat> Yes - my pm exchange: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1976954 23:34:14 <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]roffiscoder to come back after contributing to community 23:34:14 <meetingology> Please vote on: roffiscoder to come back after contributing to community 23:34:14 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 23:34:15 <cariboo907> That's what I thought too 23:34:19 <bodhi_zazen> +1 23:34:19 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen 23:34:27 <Iowan> 1 23:34:28 <s-fox> +1 23:34:28 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 23:34:32 <overdrank> +1 23:34:32 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 23:34:34 <Iowan> +1 23:34:34 <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan 23:34:34 <cariboo907> +1 23:34:34 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 23:34:38 <coffeecat> +1 23:34:38 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 23:34:46 <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE] 23:34:46 <meetingology> Voting ended on: roffiscoder to come back after contributing to community 23:34:46 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 23:34:46 <meetingology> Motion carried 23:34:54 <bodhi_zazen> OK 23:34:57 <s-fox> boom :) 23:35:04 <bodhi_zazen> Primefalcon you here ? 23:35:18 <s-fox> guess not 23:35:18 <bodhi_zazen> Anyone wish to speak for Primefalcon ? 23:35:42 <s-fox> i kept out of the discussion thread, as per my obligation as a fc member and having a valid vote 23:35:55 <s-fox> but generally i am +1 23:36:09 <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]Primefalcon for membership 23:36:09 <meetingology> Please vote on: Primefalcon for membership 23:36:09 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 23:36:13 <bodhi_zazen> 0 23:36:13 <meetingology> 0 received from bodhi_zazen 23:36:15 <s-fox> +1 23:36:15 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 23:36:23 <cariboo907> 0 23:36:23 <meetingology> 0 received from cariboo907 23:36:24 <overdrank> +1 23:36:24 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 23:36:25 <coffeecat> 0 23:36:25 <meetingology> 0 received from coffeecat 23:36:31 <Iowan> +1 23:36:31 <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan 23:36:41 <s-fox> hmm, lots of neutrals 23:36:58 <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE] 23:36:58 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Primefalcon for membership 23:36:58 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3 23:36:58 <meetingology> Motion carried 23:37:09 <s-fox> that surely is a tie 23:37:35 <bodhi_zazen> you have to -1 to tie 23:37:37 <coffeecat> s-fox, no. An abstention is an abstention. 23:37:44 <s-fox> :) 23:37:44 <bodhi_zazen> 0 and +1 carries vote 23:37:51 <bodhi_zazen> hakermania here ? 23:38:17 <bodhi_zazen> Anyone wish to speak for hakermania ? 23:38:24 <s-fox> guess not 23:39:00 <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE]hakermania for membership ? 23:39:00 <meetingology> Please vote on: hakermania for membership ? 23:39:00 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 23:39:00 <s-fox> vote bodhi_zazen ? 23:39:08 <s-fox> +1 23:39:08 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 23:39:09 <bodhi_zazen> +0 23:39:09 <meetingology> +0 received from bodhi_zazen 23:39:10 <overdrank> +1 23:39:10 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 23:39:12 <Iowan> +1 23:39:12 <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan 23:39:12 <cariboo907> 0 23:39:12 <meetingology> 0 received from cariboo907 23:39:14 <coffeecat> +1 23:39:14 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 23:39:26 <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE] 23:39:26 <meetingology> Voting ended on: hakermania for membership ? 23:39:26 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 23:39:26 <meetingology> Motion carried 23:39:49 <bodhi_zazen> OK, and sandyd could not make it 23:40:13 <bodhi_zazen> sandyd: ping - sorry for the "dad joke" there 23:40:14 <cariboo907> I thought I saw her log on earlier 23:40:26 <sandyd> here 23:40:28 <Iowan> WAS here! 23:40:36 <s-fox> hello sandyd :) 23:40:45 <sandyd> s-fox: hi :) 23:41:26 <bodhi_zazen> Anyone wish to say a few words in support of sandyd ? 23:41:48 <s-fox> does +1 count? ;) 23:41:49 <Iowan> Is it necessasry? :) 23:41:52 <bodhi_zazen> LOL 23:42:00 <bodhi_zazen> [VOTE] sandyd for membership 23:42:00 <meetingology> Please vote on: sandyd for membership 23:42:00 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 23:42:01 <nothingspecial> goes without saying 23:42:04 <overdrank> +1 23:42:04 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 23:42:08 <bodhi_zazen> no, but it is sort of nice if they show up 23:42:08 <s-fox> +1 yes, no doubt 23:42:08 <meetingology> +1 yes, no doubt received from s-fox 23:42:08 <cariboo907> +1 23:42:08 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 23:42:09 <bodhi_zazen> +1 23:42:09 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen 23:42:09 <Iowan> +1 23:42:09 <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan 23:42:13 <coffeecat> +1 23:42:13 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 23:42:19 <Iowan> can I vote twice? 23:42:26 <overdrank> +1 23:42:26 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 23:42:34 <bodhi_zazen> [ENDVOTE] 23:42:34 <meetingology> Voting ended on: sandyd for membership 23:42:34 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 23:42:34 <meetingology> Motion carried 23:42:47 <sandyd> THANKS! :) 23:42:49 <matt_symes> Congrats sandyd 23:42:54 <cariboo907> congrats sandyd 23:42:55 <overdrank> Congrats sandyd 23:42:58 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Division of labor 23:43:06 <bodhi_zazen> congrats sandyd 23:43:30 <cariboo907> who did what last month? 23:43:38 <s-fox> i have an item 23:43:38 <overdrank> Is spam banning enough labor 23:43:39 <bodhi_zazen> OK anyone want to volunteer for stuff this month ? 23:43:44 <s-fox> ^ bodhi_zazen 23:43:48 <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: I have not been tracking, lol 23:44:18 <s-fox> i could do with advice from fc, re: spam ban on welcome email 23:44:22 <coffeecat> I'll volunteer for ML. About time I learnt the ropes. 23:44:27 <Iowan> What needs vollunteered (that I can't mess up?) :) 23:44:28 <cariboo907> I'll do the welcome message, if s-fox doesn't want to 23:44:39 <bodhi_zazen> s-fox: can it wait for open floor ? 23:44:51 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: sure, but providing not forgotten :) 23:45:31 <bodhi_zazen> I am looking for my list, lol 23:45:40 <bodhi_zazen> 1. Mailing list - 23:45:42 <bodhi_zazen> 2. Froums - Admin thread and RC 23:45:43 <bodhi_zazen> 3. Monthly report 23:45:45 <bodhi_zazen> 4. Membership 23:46:10 <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: s-fox: I'm here now 23:46:24 <bodhi_zazen> OK mhall119 23:46:34 * s-fox wants membership 23:46:36 * bodhi_zazen puts coffeecat for ML 23:46:43 <bodhi_zazen> s-fox for membership 23:46:49 <cariboo907> I'll give the monthly report a try, as last month s-fox did it before I could even have a look :) 23:47:03 * s-fox was so bad ;) 23:47:04 <bodhi_zazen> OK, thanks 23:47:11 <overdrank> 2 for overdrank ? 23:47:20 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] dev forums 23:47:25 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: you are up 23:47:47 <mhall119> I was just here to answer any questions or concerns the FC had about our request for a new App Developer forum 23:48:07 <mhall119> s-fox: do you still have that list? 23:48:07 <bodhi_zazen> Did you get the email from s-fox ? 23:48:19 <mhall119> let me find it 23:48:35 <s-fox> mhall119: not right now no, sorry 23:49:00 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: two issues I recall 23:49:05 <bodhi_zazen> moderators ? 23:49:46 <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: dpm and I will moderate, and we will recruit someone from the ARB and possibly consumer apps as well 23:49:58 <bodhi_zazen> Staff can help, of course, but we were sort of hoping you had 1 or 2 willing to help set the tone and establish the forums, answer questions as they come up, be active on in the forums 23:50:01 <mhall119> we discussed with the ARB during UDS, and they were positive about it 23:50:23 <mhall119> dpm and I will take the lead on moderation 23:50:32 <bodhi_zazen> OK, can you send that to the FC mailing list , with forums accounts names =) 23:50:45 <mhall119> I don't know about dpm, I'm most likely mhall119 23:50:47 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: i recall licensing and not posting support questions on the forum as being issues that needed answers for 23:50:56 <bodhi_zazen> The rest of us can help with daily tasks, trolling / spam 23:51:28 <bodhi_zazen> Second issue, I just wanted licensing to be clear 23:51:29 <moergaes> What is ARB? 23:51:49 <mhall119> ARB is the app review board, they review and approve FLOSS apps that are submitted through developer.ubuntu.com 23:51:51 <bodhi_zazen> From time to time we get people who want to delete posts, argue over ownership of content ... 23:52:06 <bodhi_zazen> With app development, having a clear policy on ideas / code posted ... 23:52:32 <moergaes> thanks 23:52:44 <mhall119> you mean people posting code snippets that they don't have permission to post? 23:52:54 <mhall119> that kind of thing? 23:53:02 <bodhi_zazen> We need to consider how to manage potential feuds over who posted what , who modified the code ... etc 23:53:18 <mhall119> how is that handled in the other forums? 23:53:20 <bodhi_zazen> Developer A posts code A 23:53:31 <bodhi_zazen> Developer B then modifies code 23:53:52 <bodhi_zazen> Dev A & B then start feuding over licensing issues ... 23:54:11 <bodhi_zazen> Forums posts are covered by CC 23:54:44 <mhall119> ok, so wouldn't that also apply to this new forum? Anything you post is CC 23:54:50 <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy 23:55:12 <bodhi_zazen> All public forum data is released under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License and should be attributed to The Ubuntu Forums (ubuntuforums.org). 23:55:21 * s-fox is big on tc / policy issues 23:55:28 <bodhi_zazen> Do you all want such attribution to be added to code ? 23:55:35 * s-fox is bored enough to read them thoroughly ;) 23:55:44 <bodhi_zazen> Or a policy all code is GPL unless noted ? 23:56:02 <mhall119> I don't imagine there will be a significant amount of code posted, mostly example snippets or "why isn't this working???" kind 23:56:27 <bodhi_zazen> Yea, but a clear policy for when problems arise need to be in place 23:56:29 <mhall119> if we're going to assign a code license, I'd rather something more liberal 23:56:34 <bodhi_zazen> Judging from previous spats 23:56:36 <s-fox> forums posts are creative commons arbitration 3 bodhi_zazen , just to add another spin :) 23:57:24 <mhall119> let me check with others on the code licensing concern, as it's not really my strong suit 23:57:32 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: OK, so yes, we need to assign a code license , if not it would be CC v3 23:57:38 <mhall119> but I'd rather see apache or bsd style 23:57:41 <bodhi_zazen> sounds great 23:57:47 <s-fox> cc v3 +! bodhi_zazen 23:57:52 <bodhi_zazen> some people feud about policy, lol 23:58:00 <mhall119> CC v3 might even be enough, for the small amount of code I imagine being posted 23:58:18 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: have you ever seen me feud? 23:58:20 <s-fox> ;) 23:58:26 <bodhi_zazen> The "works for us", so long as it works for you, I think checking is reasonable 23:58:34 * bodhi_zazen pleads the 5th 23:58:52 <overdrank> seing double 23:59:58 <mhall119> I remember their being a question about using AskUbuntu for support questions 00:00:16 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: some people have asked about how you see working with forums / askubuntu 00:00:21 <mhall119> we have already been using and promoting askubuntu for app developers to ask for help with coding/packaging, etc 00:00:30 <bodhi_zazen> I am active on askubuntu, so personally see no problems 00:00:39 <bodhi_zazen> but other staff are not as active on askubuntu 00:00:45 <mhall119> but askubuntu isn't a good place to seek advice, and it has no social interaction 00:01:12 <mhall119> the primary reason for an app developer forum is to give them somewhere for form as a community 00:01:15 <s-fox> mhall119: why do you want to create a section on the ubuntu forums, but have all technical questions directed to askubuntu ? 00:01:20 <bodhi_zazen> http://askubuntu.com/users/35795/bodhi-zazen 00:01:26 <s-fox> it seems very odd medium 00:01:44 <mhall119> well AskUbuntu can't do it, and we haven't really gotten much acivity on the IRC channel 00:02:03 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: explain AU, and how forums integrates with discussion 00:02:04 <mhall119> every other developer portal (android, windows, etc) has a forum for their app developer community 00:02:39 <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: basically AU would be used for "How do I do X" and "Why isn't Y working?" 00:03:08 <mhall119> but questions like "What's the best IDE to use?" or "Should I use Gtk or Qt?" would be directed to the forums 00:03:11 <bodhi_zazen> So Forums gain - Visibility for developers , and a place for discussion 00:03:15 <mhall119> anything social would happen on the forums 00:03:20 <bodhi_zazen> AU is not so great with discussion 00:03:24 <mhall119> right, AU is just a knowledge base 00:03:26 <coffeecat> mhall119, sending app developers only to askubuntu for technical support limits their choice. They can ask technical questions on the forum as well. 00:03:55 <mhall119> coffeecat: they can, and they will (people still ask developer help on IRC too) 00:04:04 <bodhi_zazen> AU community tends to use SE chat, not IRC 00:04:14 <mhall119> but in general we want to build up the amount of support information in AU 00:04:26 <mhall119> SE chat? I didn't know there was such a thing 00:04:39 <bodhi_zazen> http://chat.stackexchange.com/ 00:05:09 <bodhi_zazen> When I log in there, I get a list of the AU rooms 00:05:12 <mhall119> well thats......yeah... 00:05:25 <bodhi_zazen> http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/201/ask-ubuntu-general-room 00:05:33 <bodhi_zazen> and on 00:05:51 <bodhi_zazen> A few AU members are active on IRC, most are in chat rooms 00:06:08 <bodhi_zazen> Any other questions about AU ? 00:06:12 * mhall119 has yet another place to lurk 00:06:52 <mhall119> there was one more, but I don't remember it, and I can't find the email 00:06:53 <s-fox> does au allow for community links mhall119 ? 00:07:01 <mhall119> s-fox: community links? 00:07:02 <bodhi_zazen> AU tends to direct discussion to forums, forums are more "social" that way 00:07:31 <mhall119> s-fox: we're going to link to the forums on http://developer.ubuntu.com/community/ 00:07:35 <bodhi_zazen> AU also has meta - http://meta.askubuntu.com/ 00:07:38 <s-fox> we recently linked to other areas of the ubuntu community mhall119 , such as askubuntu and launched answers, it would be nice to see the link exchange returned 00:08:03 <bodhi_zazen> AU links to forums commonly 00:08:07 <mhall119> s-fox: I don't know about AU, but I plan on heavily promoting the use of the app developer forums 00:08:26 <bodhi_zazen> The netiquette , however, on AU is to re-post forums post with link 00:08:51 <bodhi_zazen> AU does not like it when you answer with a link to wiki or forums, and no content 00:08:59 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: i was thinking akin to our nab bar menu items 00:09:00 <s-fox> :) 00:09:10 <s-fox> nab 00:09:13 <s-fox> nav 00:09:14 <bodhi_zazen> We could ask on meta 00:09:27 <bodhi_zazen> http://meta.askubuntu.com/ 00:09:42 <bodhi_zazen> meta is sort of the place to ask for that s-fox 00:09:54 <bodhi_zazen> but AU community makes fairly heavy use of forums 00:09:56 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: i could speak with jorge 00:10:02 <bodhi_zazen> so they would probably be open to it 00:10:12 <bodhi_zazen> That too s-fox 00:10:28 <bodhi_zazen> posting on meta either b4 or after would help ;0 00:10:47 <bodhi_zazen> Other questions for mhall119 ? 00:10:55 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: do you have questions for us ? 00:11:15 <bodhi_zazen> Next up - open floor - although s-fox has a topic 00:11:27 <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Open floor 00:11:27 <mhall119> is there a way to make a link that will create a new forum thread if one by that name doesn't already exist? 00:11:34 <bodhi_zazen> s-fox: topic 00:11:51 <bodhi_zazen> I do not think so mhall119 00:12:38 <cariboo907> there is an option to search if there is something similar, when creating a new thread 00:12:40 <bodhi_zazen> Anyone else have any questions or issues ? 00:12:42 <mhall119> ok, I would like to make a new thread for any new tutorials we add, I guess I can just make them manually and add the link 00:13:04 <bodhi_zazen> mhall119: tutorials on wiki or askubuntu ? 00:13:05 <s-fox> i request guidance on replies to the welcome message. i have been receiving 10ish email per day quoting message and then a series of stars. i assume this is spam filter in action, would it be okay to ban users who send these type of message ? 00:13:11 <mhall119> bodhi_zazen: on developer.u.c 00:13:24 <mhall119> dpm is putting together a collection of tutorials there 00:13:29 <bodhi_zazen> OK 00:13:45 <overdrank> s-fox +1 00:13:46 <cariboo907> s-fox, I did, when I handled the welcome message 00:14:06 <bodhi_zazen> s-fox that is one of the joys with welcome message =) 00:14:16 <bodhi_zazen> If it seems like spam, I will ban 00:14:30 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: it bites 00:14:34 <s-fox> :) 00:14:37 <bodhi_zazen> Who will take welcome message this month ? 00:14:48 <cariboo907> I will 00:14:48 <coffeecat> As a general point, I'm uncomfortable with using the censor list for spam domains. It removes the evidence. 00:14:52 * s-fox thinks we should have a welcome bot 00:14:57 <Iowan> With THAT kind of promo? 00:15:06 <s-fox> seriously, noone should reply to welcome message 00:15:28 <bodhi_zazen> cariboo907: do you know how to make that change in the admincp ? 00:15:37 <cariboo907> Yes I do 00:15:45 <bodhi_zazen> \o/ 00:16:01 <bodhi_zazen> OK, teach overdrank or Iowan or some other admin to do it 00:16:05 <s-fox> bodhi_zazen: welcome bot to send all welcome messages ? 00:16:13 <bodhi_zazen> Part of rotating tasks is getting everyone up to speed 00:16:15 <cariboo907> Sure, no problem 00:16:31 <bodhi_zazen> Thank you 00:16:38 <bodhi_zazen> Any other topics 00:16:50 * bodhi_zazen adds Welcome message to monthly chores 00:16:50 * s-fox wants 4 weeks off adminny type things 00:16:52 <s-fox> :) 00:17:12 <Iowan> cariboo907: Show me... 00:17:26 <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting