15:01:20 #startmeeting 15:01:20 Meeting started Wed Apr 11 15:01:20 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. 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Almost there. 15:08:37 Launchpad bug 977812 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Precise) "package downloader doesn't follow redirects" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/977812 15:08:37 Merged openssl for a VPAES fix. 15:08:40 Lots of installer translation updates. 15:08:42 Fixed EFI System Partition autodetection on GPT (bug 972122). 15:08:45 .. 15:08:45 Launchpad bug 972122 in partman-efi (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity pops out a warning message from partman-partitioning on UEFI BIOS when there is a EFI system partition existed." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972122 15:08:51 Very short week, was off on Friday and Monday 15:08:51 - Installer 15:08:51 - Fixed bug 772470 and added support for Windows 8 15:08:51 - ISO tracker 15:08:51 - Finished python module, wrote basic API doc/example 15:08:54 - New bugfix release of ISO tracker now in production 15:08:55 Launchpad bug 772470 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "os-prober doesn't detect Windows partition but the recovery partition instead" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772470 15:08:56 - Containers 15:08:59 - Minor LXC fixes 15:09:01 - Networking 15:09:04 - Uploaded fix for isc-dhcp bug 974284 15:09:05 Launchpad bug 974284 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "invoking dhclient3 with -1 causes issue if no dhcp server available" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/974284 15:09:06 - Gstreamer 15:09:09 - Fixed bug 964926 15:09:10 Launchpad bug 964926 in cheese (Ubuntu) "Cheese can't find vp8enc" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964926 15:09:11 - Working on bug 966294, bisecting gstreamer to figure out what broke it 15:09:13 Launchpad bug 966294 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Ubiquity loops forever from ubiquity_webcam_play" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/966294 15:09:14 - TODO this week (today/tomorrow) 15:09:17 - Hopefully find the source of bug 966294 and fix it 15:09:19 - Look at bug 873468 15:09:21 Launchpad bug 873468 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "Update to latest Release failed for overloaded mirrors with no descriptive error message" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873468 15:09:22 - Spend any remaining time on installer bugs. 15:09:24 I'll be off Friday, Monday and Tuesday, back on Wednesday. 15:09:27 (DONE) 15:10:00 - short week (two bank holidays) 15:10:00 - final python 2.7.3 upload 15:10:00 - icedtea-web fixes and upload, and bug triage 15:10:00 - openjdk-6 update (currently in unapproved) 15:10:00 - openjdk-7 update with the ARM assembler interpreter (built) 15:10:01 - buildd watching, armhf will the first arch to finish the test rebuild 15:10:03 (done) 15:10:15 short week due to vacation last week; upstream python 2.6.8 final release; python 3 transition blueprint work, almost done with first pass through http://tinyurl.com/73tl8ca but please don't edit it yet! i'll look again at bug 848915. done. 15:10:18 Launchpad bug 848915 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "Partial upgrade results in cryptic traceback because $DISPLAY is not set" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848915 15:10:24 ohh, and started on a Linaro gcc merge 15:10:57 - Short week; holiday on Friday and Monday. 15:10:57 - Work on implementing Matthew's mockup of the crash database statistics site 15:10:59 (to become http://daisy-stats.ubuntu.com): 15:11:00 - http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/error-reports.jpg 15:11:02 - http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/most-common-problems.png (ignore 15:11:03 the first seen field - that's now a version number). 15:11:03 - Filed RT 51954. 15:11:12 - Built on top of Django, as this will be far more involved than the WSGI 15:11:12 services that handle crash and core file submission. 15:11:14 - Build out a set of Cassandra functions to retrieve needed information. To 15:11:15 be folded back into oops-repository soon. 15:11:17 - Create a 'most common problems' page based on Matthew's design. 15:11:18 - Use AJAX to get bug numbers for listed crashes. 15:11:19 - Use YUI3's datatable to provide sorting of columns and cell formatting. 15:11:20 - Use the logarithmic scaling from d3.js to help craft the frequency 15:11:21 chart. 15:11:26 - Cowboyed fixes for retracing onto production with help from the webops team. 15:11:27 - Organized going over to Acunu's offices this Friday to chat about their 15:11:28 analytics platform. 15:11:29 - Tackled the problem of slow retraces in production (bug 973494). We're 15:11:31 currently only pushing through about 3 retraces per minute, which is 15:11:32 definitely not going to scale to meet our needs. 15:11:34 - Part of this was dumping the large core dump during apport-retrace, rather 15:11:34 Launchpad bug 973494 in whoopsie-daisy (Ubuntu) "Retracing is way too slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/973494 15:11:35 than persisting it to disk again and carrying it into memory. 15:11:38 - Another part was not building a new apt.Cache and calling update() on it 15:11:39 every time we ran install_packages: 15:11:40 https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/973494/+merge/101353 15:11:41 - Finally, massive improvements were gained by adding a persistent sandbox 15:11:42 for the unpacked debs: 15:11:43 https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/cache_extracted_debs/+merge/101400 15:11:51 - We've since discovered that this last patch will break on packages that 15:11:51 use breaks/replaces to provide an alternative version of a binary, such as 15:11:51 libjpeg-turbo or apache2-mpm (the last installed package always wins). 15:11:52 15:11:53 I'm working on a fix that removes any packages that are in breaks/replaces 15:11:54 from the download cache. This will also need to handle virtual packages as 15:11:55 well. 15:11:55 - Fixed cleaning up of old .upload and .uploaded files with help from Marc. 15:11:56 - Shopped around Matthew's mock up to a few engineers. Trying to do this in 15:11:57 small groups so I don't get absolutely buried in feedback. I'll hopefully 15:11:58 send it to private-platfound@ before the end of the day. 15:11:59 - Disabled Wubi from the Windows autorun page. 15:12:03 - Fixed the autorun page not showing because Windows silently fails when a 15:12:04 --option is present in autorun.inf. Yay! 15:12:05 - Patching activity-log-manager's privacy page to run initctl start/stop 15:12:07 whoopsie when enabling/disabling crash reporting, pointing the dbus service 15:12:08 configuration at the right path, and providing a parameter on the end of the 15:12:09 privacy policy (so that we can update that, if need be). 15:12:10 * ev breathes (done) 15:12:20 you really expect us to read all that ? 15:12:22 :) 15:12:26 done: 15:12:26 * merged compiz GLES patch as well as compiz-plugins-main GLES patch 15:12:26 * wasted hours on getting the above right in the bzr branches (compiz has 77 15:12:26 branches, none but the UDD one carries upstream and packaging in the same 15:12:26 branch, updating to a new upstream (as happened today) means to shuffle 15:12:27 together branches and bits manually to get a proper diff (yes, i'm a whiner)) 15:12:29 * uploaded fixed version of the pvr driver which is in multiverse now 15:12:31 (should we consider using restricted for it ?) 15:12:31 you damn well better! I wrote it all :-P 15:12:33 * jockey support for the OMAP4 pvr driver is in the archive now as well 15:12:35 * sadly the branch mess ate a lot of my time so that i have to postpone 15:12:37 finishing of partman-uboot to next week 15:12:39 * vacation days here on the 6th and 9th so it was a pretty short week 15:12:42 todo: 15:12:43 * finish peer reviews 15:12:45 * finish partman-uboot 15:12:47 * finish ubuntu-core wikipage rewrite 15:12:51 * look into fsck slowdown 15:12:53 UDS: 15:12:55 * have a spec about adding subarch support properly to dh_quilt_patch/unpatch 15:12:57 (done) 15:13:49 subarch / dh_quilt_*> I think that would be better discussed in a bug report against Debian quilt 15:13:59 that way you're talking with somebody who's actually worked on the code before 15:14:22 cjwatson, sure, that should definitely be coordinated work 15:14:53 currently you have to hack around in debian/rules with overrides ... i would like to get rid of that 15:14:55 ogra_: I don't see it as a spec discussion at all. 15:14:56 well, I mean unless Raphael's there I don't think it's even worth discussing it at UDS, because we'll just all be sitting around making stuff up :) 15:15:07 ah, k 15:15:18 the implementation's confined to one package, so it'd be better just as a bug report 15:15:19 then lets call it a bug :) 15:15:26 ogra_: It's a flat out wishlist bug to JFDI, I see no downsides, and hence no need to bikeshed for an hour. 15:15:42 yeah, right you are 15:15:53 bdmurray: was 972933 the cause for the spike in initramfs-tools reports, then? 15:16:01 doko: Linaro gcc merge> targeted for q, I hope? 15:16:32 slangasek, yeah, and preparing one for -proposed to fix two ICEs 15:16:43 doko: ok 15:17:19 slangasek: no there was only one where /tmp was full, some of the others are where /cdrom is full on a persistent media. I'll have a change for apport to stop reporting those this week 15:17:53 doko: I may need to take your -proposed one and mangle it for -release if we have a 0-hour armhf ld.so change. I don't want to ship a compiler that generates the wrong PI headers. 15:18:03 bdmurray: ok. that doesn't seem like something that's changed recently to cause a bug reporting spike, though? 15:19:08 slangasek: right, I think the spike was just due to more people using precise with beta 2 being out 15:19:49 infinity, sure, if you get the rm approval, you know I'm not that trust worthy ;) 15:20:02 I happen to know a few RMs. 15:20:05 * swatted the last obsolete conffiles in the core; after eglibc gets uploaded, server should have a clean bill of health from jenkins 15:20:08 * followed through on 15:20:10 * fixed plymouth to switch back to vt1 when it exits, instead of leaving server users on VT7 (bug #913731) 15:20:12 Launchpad bug 913731 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "non-X installs still have vt.handoff=7" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/913731 15:20:13 * follow through on the new update-notifier interface, cleaning up a few small bugs that have been reported (bug #977178, #975426) 15:20:15 Launchpad bug 977178 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "After upgrading to 12.04, flash doesn't seem to be installed to Firefox even though the package is." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/977178 15:20:16 * fix an upgrade issue with nfs-utils (bug #954619) 15:20:17 Launchpad bug 975426 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "flashplugin-installer failed to install during system installation: no alternatives for mozilla-flashplugin." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/975426 15:20:18 Launchpad bug 954619 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "package nfs-common 1:1.2.5-3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954619 15:20:19 * improved cross-build support in apt, and made the libs multiarch-capable again 15:20:22 * Upcoming: cross-distro call to try to finalize an armhf linker path 15:20:37 ogra_: multiverse> I could've sworn I put pvr-omap4 to restricted... but the binaries went elsewhere. Let me fix that. 15:20:54 thx 15:20:57 The number of times I've used "finalize" in relation to that topic... 15:21:36 slangasek: the apt cross bug where it fails to resolve [] limitations with respect to the correct architecture is still outstanding, isn't it? 15:21:44 cjwatson: yes, it is 15:21:47 right 15:22:15 slangasek: done? 15:22:23 jodh: yes, sorry 15:22:27 * [misc]: 15:22:27 - Off Friday+Monday due to Easter. 15:22:27 - In London tomorrow. 15:22:30 * [boot]: 15:22:30 - upstart: Fixed bug 974147. 15:22:33 - plymouth: working on bug 553745. 15:22:35 Launchpad bug 974147 in upstart (Ubuntu) "/lib/init/upstart-job should not start/restart a job which is disabled." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/974147 15:22:36 * [planning]: 15:22:37 Launchpad bug 553745 in plymouth (Ubuntu Maverick) "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553745 15:22:40 - uds: Wrote blueprint 15:22:43 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-dpkg-pristine-conffiles 15:22:46 - upstart: 15:22:49 - exploring service readiness problem. 15:22:52 - discussions and investigations on session management + multiseat. 15:22:54 ⟃ 15:22:58 15:24:21 any other questions? 15:25:00 jodh: you're coming to Millbank tomorrow? 15:25:05 ev: yo! 15:25:11 speaking of blueprints... UDS is less than a month away now. As you think of things that we should be discussing for next cycle, get blueprints created and targeted to uds-q 15:25:23 jodh: wor 15:25:25 word 15:25:54 jodh: thanks for tweaking the restart behavior for 974147; I'll pick that back up again for merge review today 15:26:14 slangasek: np - thanks! 15:26:43 [TOPIC] Bugs 15:26:56 ideally - none :) 15:27:03 but there's always something... 15:27:23 I was thinking of bug 942539 and was wondering if we should implement a hack for that 15:27:24 Launchpad bug 942539 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity desktop icon text looks messy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942539 15:27:30 I'm working on bug 941676, albeit in spare time as it's powerpc 15:27:31 Launchpad bug 941676 in ppl (Ubuntu Precise) "ppl ftbfs in precise on powerpc" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941676 15:27:43 the hacks for that aren't translation-safe, AFAIK 15:28:01 slangasek: i just set you as approver of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-q-python-versions 15:28:21 cjwatson: could we not batch-update the translations when making the change? 15:28:24 can't we sit on the desktop team to get that fixed properly? :) 15:28:24 barry: ack 15:28:47 slangasek: I mean intrinsically unsafe since we need to determine experimentally how each individual translation wraps, including for each different flavour 15:29:19 oh 15:29:47 bdmurray: can you revisit that with seb128? 15:30:01 sure 15:30:14 the only hack we could do that I think is safe would be to remove the version altogether 15:30:15 and if he's not going to have time (which is likely), maybe ask pitti if someone else on the team can take it 15:30:25 but UI freeze ... 15:30:52 cjwatson: well, my assumption had been that if we replace the period with one nautilus handles word breaks for correctly, we could do that in both the English and in translations 15:31:36 oh, well that one is substituted dynamically anyway 15:31:58 ok 15:32:06 so wouldn't that be translation-safe after all? 15:32:35 the bug is simply that nautilus is word-breaking wrong on '.'; we don't really want to micromanage the word-wrapping in general 15:32:41 yeah, that hack probably would be. Is there a Unicode character with identical appearance to "." which isn't actually U+002E? 15:32:54 I was referring to things like the \n hack 15:33:12 ah yes 15:33:28 jodh suggested middle-dot, which isn't perfect 15:33:41 we could render the whole version number in double-width chars :P 15:34:15 well, getting nautilus fixed is obviously still preferred 15:34:49 I really think it should be identical in appearance 15:34:57 yep 15:34:59 at least in the default font 15:35:19 I'll take a sweep through Unicode; but we should try to just get nautilus fixed 15:35:56 oh here we go, U+2493 :P 15:36:12 heh 15:36:14 bdmurray: anything else? 15:36:19 cjwatson: is http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/ff0e/index.htm any use? 15:36:32 bug 838091 15:36:34 Launchpad bug 838091 in ntfs-3g (Ubuntu Precise) "should link fsck.ntfs -> ntfsfix/ntfsck" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838091 15:36:46 there's U+FE52, which seems to have some odd width properties 15:37:03 phillw: fullwidth is problematic 15:37:41 I like the idea of putting the ubuntu logo glyph (U+E0FF) in the middle :) 15:37:56 a tad big, but memorable! :) 15:38:43 anyone know how safe ntfsfix is? :P 15:39:10 bug log says it's not really 15:39:14 I'm not sure, but I guess I can look at that bug 15:39:27 a link may not be the right approach; we may just need to silence the warning some other way 15:39:28 so I think linking fsck.ntfs is probably the wrong answer 15:39:42 mountall honors the 'check' field in /etc/fstab, right? 15:40:00 er, the 'pass' field I mean 15:40:08 I thought we zeroed that for ntfs, but I'll need to check 15:40:12 ok 15:40:24 ntfs-3g was updated in precise - bug 920545 15:40:26 Launchpad bug 920545 in ntfs-3g (Ubuntu) "[update request] NTFS-3G, new STABLE Version 2012.1.15 [Precise]" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/920545 15:40:44 yes, that was a fairly routine merge 15:41:11 it didn't add a fsck.ntfs link 15:41:50 or an implementation that would be worth linking to, presumably 15:42:15 I'm not comfortable enough with my NTFS knowledge to make that decision independently of the Debian maintainer 15:42:21 for precise, I'd rather just shut up the warning 15:42:34 we seem to set pass=0 for ntfs, so I guess I can look into it some more 15:42:48 cjwatson: mountall respects the pass field 15:42:53 it mightn't be unreasonable to special-case ntfs in mountall, so that even if pass is non-zero it won't complain if fsck.* is missing 15:42:57 so that points to the installer 15:43:08 or to user error when adding the fstab entry 15:43:29 partman-basicfilesystems (63ubuntu2) karmic; urgency=low 15:43:29 * Don't check NTFS at boot, since we have no fsck.ntfs right now 15:43:29 (LP: #441242). 15:43:29 -- Colin Watson Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:44:55 +0100 15:43:36 hmm 15:43:39 we have no upgrade handling for that 15:44:09 tjaalton also reported that this didn't happen in 11.04, strangely 15:44:14 and I'd be more comfortable with a mountall hack than trying to rewrite fstab on upgrade 15:44:28 fair enough 15:44:40 maybe something in the mountall stack got stricter 15:44:52 I'm happy to look into this; assigned the bug to myself 15:45:04 okay, thanks 15:45:39 Does anybody, mvo, know if the apt tasks in bug 659438 are necessary? 15:45:41 Launchpad bug 659438 in apt (Ubuntu) "Installation/Removal fails because of package which could not be located (failure in apt.Cache.required_download)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659438 15:46:05 it's our hottest bug and the aptdaemon task was recently fixed so it'd be nice to get it off the list 15:46:20 * mvo looks 15:47:26 bdmurray: I can't mark it invalid myself, apt times out, but I do believe that the aptdaemon fix is sufficient 15:47:51 mvo: okay, I can take care of closing it then 15:47:55 \o/ 15:48:17 mvo: while you're here... bug #938116 is assigned to you 15:48:19 Launchpad bug 938116 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in DescriptionList()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/938116 15:48:50 mvo: seb128 did it, not me ;) Are you going to get to that bug for 12.04, or should we have someone else take a look? 15:50:49 hm, I have a vague idea what might be causing this, but it requires some serious effort to look deeper, one simple workaround would be to always refresh the cache when software-properties was run and returns a exit-state that indicates that something changes 15:51:01 oh, hey, looking at bug 441242 I see that mvo added support to update-manager to convert people's fstabs 15:51:04 Launchpad bug 441242 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity generates bad fstab with NTFS partitions" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441242 15:51:07 so apparently some deeper issue here 15:51:39 I did? excellent! 15:52:51 maybe there is a bug in that code then? (also it looks like it has a proper test) 15:53:17 I suspect it's something entirely different 15:53:21 will need to reproduce or something 15:55:13 bdmurray: any other bugs? 15:55:23 slangasek: not today 15:55:37 mvo: can you stash that workaround suggestion on the bug, and we can run with it? 15:55:48 [TOPIC] Patch Piloting 15:56:11 so our hit rate of patch piloting was much better for March than for February 15:56:15 but not perfect :-P 15:56:23 * ogra_ is up tomorrow ... 15:56:57 * barry is up next tuesday 15:57:09 so dholbach is threatening to withhold alcohol from me at UDS if we don't shape up 15:57:18 lol 15:57:30 * ogra_ would like to see him manage that 15:57:52 if something comes up that you can't do your scheduled day, you can always reschedule.. but please reschedule, don't just let it pass 15:58:09 slangasek: should we fear sober managers? 15:58:13 I'm piloting today... 15:58:16 barry: I would! 15:58:20 :) 15:58:28 [TOPIC] AOB 15:58:30 anything else? 15:58:38 * dholbach hugs slangasek 16:00:02 #endmeeting