#title #ubuntu-meeting: Lubuntu Team Meeting Meeting started by gilir at 20:01:22 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-04-04-20.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting *phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda (MrChrisDruif, 20:05:53) *kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team *gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda (amjjawad, 20:14:23) *amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team *MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team *MrChrisDruif - Offline documentation, wanted? ''ACTION:'' MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily (gilir, 20:50:15) *Any Other Business ''ACTION:'' phillw to update the agenda page about updates (gilir, 20:52:06) Meeting ended at 20:55:56 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily * phillw to update the agenda page about updates == Action items, by person == * MrChrisDruif ** MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily * phillw ** phillw to update the agenda page about updates == People present (lines said) == * gilir (55) * MrChrisDruif (49) * amjjawad (33) * phillw (29) * wxl (17) * kanliot (12) * Myrtti (8) * jmarsden|work (6) * meetingology (5) * Unit193 (4) * bioterror (3) * Yorvyk (3) == Full Log == 20:01:22 #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 20:01:22 Meeting started Wed Apr 4 20:01:22 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:01:22 20:01:22 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:01:36 hi 20:01:43 \o 20:01:48 Coffee break. 20:01:50 o/ 20:01:51 Aloha gilir 20:01:51 o/ 20:01:59 phillw! 20:02:06 Hi Everyone! 20:02:08 0/ 20:02:21 o/ 20:02:46 o/ 20:02:57 #topic gilir - Review ACTIONS from the last meeting 20:03:15 MrChrisDruif, thanks for the calendar update :) 20:03:29 Yup, you're welcome 20:03:44 As we all know already I've finished my action 20:03:55 no other action item from previous meeting, let's start thsi one 20:04:13 MrChrisDruif, good, that's not always the case for me :p 20:04:29 #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team 20:04:34 nice and sweet from me, kernel freeze goes in tomorrow. but it will be delayed by 24 hours owing to some issues on upgrades. 20:05:18 kanliot: will be the lubuntu rep at the weekly QA meetings while I'm away. 20:05:53 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:06:16 the Beta 2's are rock solid, so we do not expect any breakages betwen now and release. but do keep your eyes peeled & please test 20:06:23 end of report. 20:06:42 thanks phillw 20:07:09 we are very close to final freeze, changes should be minimum at this point 20:07:45 #topic kanliot - Weekly report - Update from comms team 20:07:56 mario has had the osuosl team put up a temporary website so we can update lubuntu.net 20:07:57 a volunteer has completely translated the lubuntu.net website into french!! 20:07:57 more progress with facebook. Tons more users 20:07:57 end of report 20:08:22 Q? 20:08:35 nice to have french translation :) 20:08:41 MrChrisDruif, yes ? 20:08:54 Is Facebook only viewed as an Communication channel or also as help channel? 20:09:10 imho both 20:09:27 MrChrisDruif: amjjawad is best to answer that. 20:09:45 amjjawad; your view on this? 20:09:52 MrChrisDruif: both but I tend to use it MORE for comms than help 20:10:30 That is what I've been noticing, but that answers my question 20:10:33 ^_^ 20:10:39 Facebook doesn't have the 'experinced needed users' for support and help while other channels have 20:10:46 MrChrisDruif: as you do, I try to answer an question with a link to our wiki area. 20:11:18 that is why it is BETTER to use it as a Comms Tool for Updates, News and some Tips :) 20:11:28 end of my humble personal opinion :D 20:11:58 facebook is fantastic right now. so much happy people and energy 20:12:21 add to that great feedback so far on the page. I'm reading amazing stories over there 20:12:22 Anyhow, my question is answered. Shall we move on? 20:12:27 ok here now. prolly missed everything. :) 20:12:44 wxl; Yes, you did ;-) 20:12:46 another question ? 20:13:05 Not now gilir 20:13:11 ok, thanks kanliot 20:13:25 #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams 20:13:58 most of the fixes I had in mind are now in precise 20:14:09 gilir: you skipped me but that is fine 20:14:23 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:14:30 still a couple of fixes to upload tonight 20:14:41 amjjawad, arf sorry, didn't refresh the page :/ 20:14:50 it is ok gilir carry one 20:14:52 on* 20:14:53 I'll go back to you after this one 20:15:05 gilir: take your time ;) 20:15:41 gilir: Do you see any chance something will happen about the install disk size check issue, and installing to 4GB SSDs? 20:16:00 after this week-end, we should almost ready for testing almost final images :) 20:16:25 jmarsden|work: Does it not work with alt? 20:16:29 jmarsden|work, I don't think so :( we still need to advertise people to install with alternate 20:16:45 Unit193: Using alternate works, using live cd does not work. 20:17:19 jmarsden|work: r we talking about any drive with 4GB?? 20:17:25 coz I did this today and it worked: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4 20:17:40 amjjawad: Yes, but few working PCs ahve 4GB mechanical hard drives these days :) 20:17:41 I installed on 3.7GB from LiveUSB and it worked. 20:18:06 amjjawad, and it doesn't block ths installation on the size requirement page ? 20:18:19 gilir: never 20:18:23 amjjawad: OK... then maybe something changed... that did not work previously. 20:18:26 it worked perfectly 20:18:26 do i hear we need others to test on <=4gb drives? i've got one 20:18:41 How big swap did you have? 20:18:43 wxl: Sure, go for it. 20:18:45 I can do as much tests as u guys want 20:18:57 Yorvyk: me? it's is showen on here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11817117&postcount=4 20:19:14 Yorvyk: 303MB 20:19:19 Yorvyk; swap is advised but a dependency 20:20:16 I did sudo apt-get upgrade after that and installed lubuntu res extra and I sitll have 1.5GB Free Space!!! 20:20:17 gilir: I have been nagging the release team.... who knows, maybe it worked :) 20:20:25 I'll also test it on a vm, to double check this 20:20:48 gilir: do u need me to do more tests?? 20:20:59 and for the record, swap is not mandatory if you don't want to use hibernate 20:21:12 +1 gilir 20:21:34 amjjawad, just the usual tests with the candidate images, but I'll do a mail about this later 20:21:40 If th eother drive has swap space then it installs into >4GB OK 20:22:01 any other questions for dev report ? 20:22:41 #topic amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team 20:23:14 I'm looking forward to create a simple beginner guide about Lubuntu. For new comers mailny - that is a next project 20:23:49 That's support and not wiki/docs because...? 20:23:50 as for other support stuff, nothing special except one case I'm working on and if I need help, I know someone on the forum and he is the right one for that job coz it has to do with GRUB2 and an old machine 20:24:09 amjjawad: liase with MrChrisDruif, he's up next fior docs. 20:24:19 guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:24:37 phillw: and MrChrisDruif check this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:24:52 amjjawad; your point with that link is? 20:24:53 don't update the agenda so lately ;) 20:24:56 amjjawad: I do have it open :) 20:25:06 OMG 20:25:19 just keep me at the end and stop nagging :( 20:25:24 MrChrisDruif: please 20:25:28 go a head 20:25:35 gilir: +1, should be closed 24 hours before meeting 20:26:05 MrChrisDruif, my fault, we will go to doc/wiki just after this one 20:26:17 gilir: no, pass it on please! 20:26:21 * gilir skiped amjjawad point 20:26:58 ... 20:27:03 gilir: #action me to make that clear on the Agenda page 20:27:10 #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team 20:27:20 gilir: just ignore everything related to my edit - now excuse me, I must leave 20:27:47 you guys can carry on and if there is something urgent, I shall send an email. IRC is not my cup of tea and will never be, sorry gilir 20:27:51 o/ 20:28:01 o7 20:28:20 Anyhow, but to subject 20:28:53 phillw, let's finish MrChrisDruif, I'll go back to you after 20:29:00 We had a new team member for maybe an hour for about an hour or so 20:29:44 It was "littlegirl" (IRC name) but right after I had spoken to her I had to go offline to get to bed 20:30:21 After I left the conversation continued and it had a funny twist somewhere and she decided to leave again. 20:30:43 I've send her an email tonight and hope she'll reply to that. 20:31:03 She came with the idea for my next item anyway. 20:31:51 MrChrisDruif, ok, we will discuss it after this point, anything to add ? 20:31:58 I've noticed that people started to translate the Lubuntu wiki to Spanish, but I've got to get some contact with those people so we are all on one line 20:32:18 MrChrisDruif: as i'm sure you've noticed they all seem to be on the facebook group 20:33:06 wxl; yup, but I'd like them to be in the launchpad group as well, so we can talk more easily and also show the "world" that I'm not doing this gig alone 20:33:59 I can't think of anything to add to this topic. 20:34:09 Q's? 20:34:11 MrChrisDruif: you will get used to phrase "like trying to herd cats" 20:34:23 thanks MrChrisDruif 20:34:28 o/ 20:34:33 phillw; ? 20:34:41 go phillw 20:35:25 I'd like to let the 'team' know that I had a a chat about MrChrisDruif becoming an wiki admin person. 20:35:52 Ah right, didn't think about that 20:36:13 it went well, and I am confident that Lubuntu will have 2 wiki admins out of a total of 13 :) 20:36:32 end of report. 20:36:39 that would be cool :) 20:37:10 gilir: just part of the master plan for lubuntu to take over the world :D 20:37:27 don't talk about that here 20:37:32 phillw, it's a secret ;) 20:37:51 #topic MrChrisDruif - Offline documentation, wanted? 20:38:12 Yes, littlegirl suggested this one actually 20:38:16 MrChrisDruif, let's introduce your topic, I'll add my point after :) 20:39:01 MrChrisDruif, is it a copy of the wiki documentation available offline, or another documentation source ? 20:39:01 Offline documentation is something for people who want to install Lubuntu on computers without internet connection 20:40:00 Use-case: If I'd install Lubuntu on one of my grandparents computer e.g. 20:40:33 They would just "use" it without trying to install new software 20:41:04 would that offline documentation be localized? how about images? 20:41:30 But if they have questions that aren't answered by the man-pages (if I could even explain to them how to get there) then this would come in handy 20:41:49 To add to that are man-pages pretty technical most of the time 20:42:29 bioterror; I don't know what you mean with images, but that offline documentation should be localized ideally 20:42:55 The current kubuntu-docs was about 45MB if I remember correctly what littlegirl mentioned 20:43:40 MrChrisDruif: i think if i understand bioterror he means that traditionally localized documentation would be in the form of man pages which are pretty much incompatible with images and a lot of formatting that is to be expected with wiki pages 20:43:46 gilir: could 45MB be squeezed on? 20:44:08 phillw, space is not a problem on our CD 20:44:13 the only way i could see getting around that would be using html 20:44:25 somehow it would have to be integrated in such a way that it would be clear how to get help 20:44:30 Not for this release of course, but this item on the gauge interest in this 20:44:33 my main concern is to maintain another source of documentation, disconnected from the wiki 20:44:35 bioterror: in practice that is for the local respins/remixes to do and include on the installation media, it could be packaged as a lubuntu-documentation- whatever in the repos for downloading and the documentation included with the CD in the other flavours has AFAIK been HTML 20:44:49 a .desktop under System Tools perhaps 20:44:58 wxl: Mac comes with 'view internal help'. Love them or hate them, having that facility there is a plus. 20:45:00 After that I'll have to look into how to make it happen 20:45:03 although my memories on the subject go back to 2006 20:45:11 and then how to syn? 20:45:13 sync i mean 20:45:23 i guess the only way for that to happen is it would have to be a package 20:45:24 well IMHO, right now we have 0 offline documentation. We could start with a little documentation. like a few pages. Can we make that happen? 20:45:34 Myrtti, if I remember right finns has own spin? I think I'll check it one day ;) 20:45:46 yup 20:45:59 and on the back end someone would have to maintain the package, i.e. turn the raw wiki pages into a package for distribution 20:46:02 kanliot; I think so, maybe not for this release but just accumulate over time 20:46:19 i love this idea, don't get me wrong, but it's not just a simple easy thing to do i don't think 20:46:47 sounds like a job for LaTeX/other similar markup language 20:46:50 wxl; I'm not say it'll be easy, but this item is just to gauge interest 20:46:53 I've forgotten their names 20:47:04 After that I'd have to look into how to make it happen 20:47:25 can we agree to make the docs, not specific to any distribution, so we don't have to update it for each version? 20:47:25 wxl: in the past few months, we have been quietly getting all support to wiki. Exporting wiki to CD is not a major problem :) 20:47:30 MrChrisDruif: well sometimes interest is not sufficient :D the docs team is not composed of package maintainers (tho i'd be happy to take on the task!) 20:47:34 MrChrisDruif, the interest is real for everyone, just need a good way to do / maintain it 20:47:56 i hear many users in #lubuntu asking for help with this or that due to the lack of an internet connection 20:48:06 think of what a pain it must be for them to get online to ask! 20:48:19 and then imagine all the other folks that don't have that other option… 20:48:21 wxl: We can export our wiki area. 20:48:53 Al right, I'll get in touch with kubuntu with how they do things. Hopefully they can teach us how to do it 20:49:04 I do not mean it is an easy task, but it is do-able. 20:49:48 i don't like this project. it's too vague 20:50:04 kanliot: ? 20:50:06 kanliot: talk to me later :) 20:50:15 #action MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily 20:50:15 * meetingology MrChrisDruif to discover how to do offline documentation easily 20:50:43 Thanks gilir, I just *love* ACTIONS ^_^ 20:50:51 ;) 20:51:14 let's see how technicaly it's do-able, we will discuss it after :) 20:51:23 Agreed 20:51:32 #topic Any Other Business 20:51:45 gilir: can you #action me to update the Agenda page to state 24 hours notice is required... else I will forget!] 20:52:06 #action phillw to update the agenda page about updates 20:52:06 * meetingology phillw to update the agenda page about updates 20:52:17 thanks for the reminder :) 20:52:20 I think Ali needs to learn that teams can make their own guidelines 20:52:21 thnx :) 20:52:52 Just as a note on one of his suggestions 20:53:13 No Other Business from me 20:53:28 MrChrisDruif: he is still a rough diamond, as is kanliot. Both have caused me to have 'discussions'. 20:53:41 ok, let's end this meeting then 20:53:41 ya 20:53:43 IRC team? 20:53:59 Myrtti, Unit193 told me there was nothing to report 20:54:06 right 20:54:10 Myrtti: Unit193 had nothing to report, unless you do? 20:54:14 you want to add something ? 20:54:54 Silverlion resigned. 20:54:59 thanks, Myrtti. 20:55:18 np 20:55:43 ok, thanks for the info 20:55:56 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)