#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by slangasek at 16:02:34 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-07-16.02.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Thunder and lightning round *Bugs *AOB Meeting ended at 16:56:51 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * cjwatson (50) * ubottu (43) * slangasek (41) * stgraber (30) * bdmurray (30) * ogra_ (27) * jodh (26) * doko (17) * ev (14) * meetingology (3) * mvo (1) == Full Log == 16:02:34 #startmeeting 16:02:34 Meeting started Wed Mar 7 16:02:34 2012 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:02:34 16:02:34 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 16:03:03 * stgraber waves 16:04:56 [TOPIC] Thunder and lightning round 16:05:35 $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson) 16:05:38 jodh ogra slangasek stgraber cjwatson doko barry ev bdmurray infinity 16:05:41 $ 16:05:52 * This week: 16:05:52 * [dpkg] bug 927993: Started to investigate, but mvo identified the 16:05:52 problem+fix. 16:05:52 almost immediately. Thanks mvo! 16:05:54 Launchpad bug 927993 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "ordering code may mark a package for configure before its unpacked" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/927993 16:05:55 * [boot/upstart] bug 940290: Isolated issue, finished code, and updated 16:05:56 Launchpad bug 940290 in upstart "console log consumes fds upon job restart/respawn" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940290 16:05:58 tests. Pending code review. 16:06:01 * [boot/upstart] bug 936667: Created a basic fix. Pending review. We'll 16:06:03 Launchpad bug 936667 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Upstart early job logging causes boot failure for systems with no initramfs (error is "No available ptys")" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936667 16:06:05 need to consider this scenario carefully should we introduce an 16:06:08 initramfs-less boot experience for some for 12.10 though. 16:06:11 * [upgrade/do-release-upgrade] bug 883618: Fixed. Problem cause was 16:06:12 Launchpad bug 883618 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Console upgrade useless.. XSet warnings all over the screen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883618 16:06:14 identified using a generic dpkg-divert(8) script I wrote: 16:06:19 http://is.gd/H6iPus 16:06:19 * [packaging/eglibc] bug 508083: Fix identified - currently reworking 16:06:20 Launchpad bug 508083 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "cron crashed with SIGSEGV in __pthread_initialize_minimal_internal()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508083 16:06:22 maintainer scripts. 16:06:25 * TODO: 16:06:28 * [packaging/eglibc] bug 508083: Complete work and test very carefully. 16:06:32 * [boot/upstart] Early job logging code review and upstream merge. 16:06:35 ⌂ 16:06:38 jodh: almost immediately is a bit of a overstatement, but I'm really happy that its found and fixed 16:06:38 16:06:41 16:07:03 intramfs-less boot experience \o/ 16:07:31 done: 16:07:31 * more weeding out of the rotting ubuntu-arm bugs 16:07:31 * fixed a bug in fixrtc that made it set the clock in any case in any direction 16:07:31 * merged a bunch of alsa fixes from tobin 16:07:31 * merged a bunch of flash-kernel bugfixes 16:07:32 * fixed sound on ac100 netbooks, finally works by default now 16:07:34 * didnt get much done wrt oem-config this week, will prioritize for next week 16:07:36 todo: 16:07:38 * oem-config ! 16:07:40 * stopwatch initrdless boot 16:07:42 * start looking at delay caused by fsck on boot 16:07:44 * more ubuntu-arm rotten bug cleanup 16:09:35 jodh: mvo is also asking for help getting a test case out of bug #930396 that he can reproduce; can you put this to the top of your list? 16:09:36 Launchpad bug 930396 in Zim "No menu on upper desktop panel. Ubuntu 11.10." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930396 16:10:08 slangasek: will do. 16:10:11 ta 16:10:51 slangasek: is that bug number correct? 16:10:59 apparently not ;) 16:11:08 bug #940396 16:11:09 Launchpad bug 940396 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "lucid -> precise main all failed to upgrade: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kde-runtime" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940396 16:11:14 jodh: that one is :) 16:11:41 slangasek: thanks. I've assigned myself. 16:11:48 * RELEASE MEETING: working on bug #901638; build-time testing confirmed, could use verification from Kubuntu folks that it still actually works 16:11:50 Launchpad bug 901638 in soprano (Ubuntu Precise) "Remove iodbc2 (causes upgrade failure from Oneiric to Precise)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901638 16:11:51 * discussions around Wubi 16:11:53 * looking into fixing upstart's fork-tracking handling 16:11:56 * gconf merge for full multiarch support; now chasing regressions related to upgrade order & triggers (bug #948294) 16:11:57 Launchpad bug 948294 in gconf (Ubuntu) "package gconf2 3.2.3-3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 250" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948294 16:11:59 * merged a package from Debian over the weekend for the Ubuntu Global Jam to fix an RC bug we still had (revelation) 16:12:02 * acpi-support uploaded to work around lightdm not writing to utmp (bug #933626) 16:12:03 Launchpad bug 933626 in acpi-support (Ubuntu) "acpi-support should use ck-list-sessions to determine active X display and X user" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/933626 16:12:05 ¢ 16:12:19 cjwatson: ^^ is that a suitable tagging for release-meeting stuffs? 16:12:44 * stgraber quickly looks for anything release-meeting worthy before pasting 16:13:08 I figured we'd see what people came up with in this meeting and settle for the best :) 16:13:14 Bugs, bugs, bugs... 16:13:15 - Networking 16:13:15 - Tweaked netcfg to follow the expected workflow for wireless, bug 36426 16:13:17 - Fixed resolvconf support in casper, bug 946215 16:13:18 Launchpad bug 36426 in netcfg (Ubuntu) "Can't skip configuring wireless network" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36426 16:13:20 Launchpad bug 946215 in casper (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 not set nameserver in pxe boot ( resolvconf or dhcp client bug)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946215 16:13:20 - Worked on converting isc-dhcp to upstart and support IPv4/IPv6 by default, bug 944849 16:13:21 Launchpad bug 944849 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "[FFe] converting isc-dhcp from sysvinit to upstart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944849 16:13:23 - Started investigating bug 919068 (bridge_ports all not working at boot time) 16:13:24 Launchpad bug 919068 in bridge-utils (Ubuntu) "bridge_ports all doesn't work at boot time" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919068 16:13:27 - Installer 16:13:29 - A bunch of ubiquity bugs (bug 942030, bug 944614, bug 942560, bug 926493, bug 830946) 16:13:32 - Tried to reproduce bug 924511 without success, might have been fixed lately 16:13:33 Launchpad bug 942030 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "'Take a photo' preview pane not showing live preview" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942030 16:13:35 Launchpad bug 944614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in keyboard_variant_timeout(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'apply_keyboard'" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944614 16:13:35 - Fixed a race condition in casper when using persistent storage (bug 940908) 16:13:36 Launchpad bug 942560 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "keyboard layout screen - Keyboard navigation broken" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942560 16:13:37 Launchpad bug 926493 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[UIFe] The installer still says your picture will be used on the login screen" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926493 16:13:38 - Containers 16:13:41 - Started looking at the new apparmor but it's currently broken, causing bug 947617 16:13:42 Launchpad bug 830946 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "Nothing displayed on embedded terminal." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830946 16:13:43 Launchpad bug 924511 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity tells me my computer name already exists on the network - hostname lookup can be slow" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924511 16:13:44 - Wrote about how to start a 12.04 system from a VM in a LXC container instead: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/03/04/booting-an-ubuntu-12-04-virtual-machine-in-an-lxc-container/ 16:13:44 Launchpad bug 940908 in casper (Ubuntu Precise) "Keyboard layout, oem-config not set on persistent USB image" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940908 16:13:45 Launchpad bug 947617 in lxc (Ubuntu) "After update, lxc does not start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947617 16:13:48 - Other 16:13:50 - Expecting LTSP 5.3.4 upload soonish (bugfix release) including converting to upstart (to actually start at the right time) 16:13:53 - Updated LTTng stack, will blog about it soon 16:13:56 - TODO this week 16:13:58 - Look at James' friendly-recovery branch, merge and ask for a FFe 16:14:01 - Get LXC working again with apparmor 16:14:03 - Upload the new isc-dhcp 16:14:06 - Continue working on bugs 16:14:08 (DONE) 16:14:49 oh, and I'd really appreciate it if an archive admin could process bug 931809 16:14:51 Launchpad bug 931809 in ust (Ubuntu) "Please remove the old LTTng packages from the Ubuntu archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931809 16:15:24 I won't blog about lttng until that's done as having both stacks in the archive would just confuse everyone ;) 16:15:53 For release meeting: 16:15:53 * Sorted out most of the remaining dpkg-maintscript-helper upgrade bugs. 16:15:57 * Fixed a couple of biosdevname-related problems (bug 948546, bug 948559). 16:16:00 Launchpad bug 948546 in bridge-utils (Ubuntu) "eth* device names hardcoded in debian/bridge-utils.sh" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948546 16:16:00 * Ported grub2 to GCC 4.6, and tried to disable the cursor earlier on boot (bug 861048). 16:16:01 Launchpad bug 948559 in vlan (Ubuntu) "eth* NIC names hardcoded" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948559 16:16:02 Launchpad bug 861048 in The Ubuntu Flicker-Free Boot Project "have really quick '_' on boot before first purple screen" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861048 16:16:04 Everything else: 16:16:06 * Various syncs and merges from Debian (especially ntfs-3g), and a few build failure fixes. 16:16:09 * Dealt with various grub2 build failures and regressions. 16:16:12 * Fixed bug 939278 which broke the d-i GTK frontend. 16:16:13 Launchpad bug 939278 in kickseed (Ubuntu) "GTK mini-iso can't start X" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/939278 16:16:14 * Writing parted tests in an attempt to track down bug 856826. 16:16:15 Launchpad bug 856826 in partman-base (Ubuntu Precise) "'guided resize' partioning leaves Mac unbootable" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856826 16:16:17 * Enormous mail catchup. Still ~200 messages behind in my inbox alone. 16:16:19 .. 16:16:43 Week of Thursday, March 1st, 2012 16:16:43 - At the Strata conference Tuesday through Thursday. 10 hours on a plane 16:16:45 Friday. 16:16:46 - Crafted this (and a long companion email to James, Robert, and Lucio): 16:16:48 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/ServerArchitecture 16:16:49 - Call with Robert to discuss the status of the crash database and get his 16:16:51 feedback on the backend design. 16:16:52 - Work on implementing the missing bits from /ServerArchitecture. 16:16:54 - Chat with Colin and Steve about the future of Wubi. 16:16:55 - Joined the QA sprint for a day at the reqest of Pete and discussed their 16:16:56 proposed high level test harness. 16:16:57 (done) 16:17:37 bug triage of iso-testing and ubiquity bug reports 16:17:37 bug triage of foundations-bugs receiving duplicates 16:17:37 creation of a bug heat chart that compares packages 16:17:51 the heat chart is http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/foundations-bugs-packages-hottest-bugs.html 16:18:07 * doko is back again 16:18:09 reported apport bug 944078 regarding missing information 16:18:09 investigation into aptdaemon bugs 858707 and bug 659438 16:18:09 investigation into team assigned bug 556293 and other apt proxy issues 16:18:10 Launchpad bug 944078 in apport (Ubuntu) "bugs reported by apport missing essential information" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944078 16:18:13 Launchpad bug 858707 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) ": E:I wasn't able to locate a file for the upnp-router-control package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/858707 16:18:15 Launchpad bug 659438 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installation/Removal fails because of package which could not be located (failure in apt.Cache.required_download)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659438 16:18:16 Launchpad bug 556293 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt/aptitude need to take global proxy settings into account" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556293 16:18:23 closed apt-xapian-index bug 631215 (foundations-bugs high heat bug) that seems fixed 16:18:23 Launchpad bug 631215 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "update-apt-xapian-index crashed with DatabaseCorruptError in buildIndex()" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631215 16:18:26 closed update-notifier high heat bug 467875 (closed and bug pattern removed) 16:18:26 Launchpad bug 467875 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "apt_check.py crashed with SIGSEGV in pkgCache::FindPkg()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/467875 16:18:31 added procfb to the linux apport package hook 16:18:31 update-manager bug fixes for bug 946539 and bug 940196 16:18:31 participated in global bug jam and worked on evince bugs 16:18:32 Launchpad bug 946539 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "gnome-session removed during partial upgrade to Precise Beta1" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946539 16:18:34 Launchpad bug 940196 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "cdromupgrade from Oneiric to Precise no network failed: The package 'unity-2d-places' is marked for removal but it's in the removal blacklist" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940196 16:18:53 done 16:23:11 doko: any status to report? 16:24:00 - GCC 4.6.3 packages, including gcj and gnat. 16:24:00 - GCC 4.7.0~rc1 packages (ubuntu-toolchain-r/test PPA) 16:24:00 - icedtea-web update from the 1.2 branch, fixed some issues 16:24:00 with the packaging. 16:24:00 - openjdk-6 update, revert an ARM optimization which should 16:24:00 have landed in a PPA only. 16:24:02 - trying to the gcc-4.7 branch imported in LP for Linaro 16:24:04 - address eglibc testing from a PPA with gema (follow-up 16:24:06 at UDS is likely, not before, no more uploads planned) 16:24:08 - get ARM patches for dragonegg (LLVM backend for GCC) 16:24:10 working on ARM. 16:24:12 - started updates for the final python 2.7.3 and 3.2.3 16:24:14 releases, but didn't finish today. 16:24:16 todo this week: MIRs 16:24:28 done 16:24:32 thanks 16:25:24 some grub bugfixes, and looking into bugs #911436 and #876626, and fiddling with fpc and ghc. 16:25:27 Launchpad bug 911436 in p11-kit (Ubuntu) "https crashed with SIGSEGV in lookup_or_create_bucket()" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911436 16:25:28 Launchpad bug 876626 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Unlocking the second crypto disk (/home) echos password on console" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876626 16:25:47 and that should be it for the status round 16:25:49 any questions? 16:26:32 [TOPIC] Bugs 16:27:36 stgraber and I were talking about bug 942539 and removing the version from the icon 16:27:37 Launchpad bug 942539 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity desktop icon text looks messy" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942539 16:27:54 we weren't sure if there was a design reason for having it 16:28:53 cjwatson, ev? 16:28:54 the change would probably be done in casper to avoid messing with the translations (doing s/RELEASE// in the adduser script) 16:28:54 IIRC it was there so that we could refer to it on CD sleeves, and because we couldn't guarantee people would understand the icon 16:29:09 but couldn't nautilus be fixed to wrap this correctly 16:29:09 ? 16:29:24 oh, wait, you said the version, not the whole text, I misunderstood 16:29:37 right, so having it say just "Install Ubuntu" 16:29:41 it was "Install Ubuntu" at one point actually, so let me see if I can dig through archives 16:29:47 IIRC higher-ups told me to change it 16:30:04 in the example it's splitting "12.04" in the middle 16:30:10 which seems to be a nautilus bug 16:30:30 * stgraber is happy to re-assign to desktop for a nautilus fix :) 16:30:57 hmm, looks like it was changed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/154506 16:30:59 Launchpad bug 154506 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing" [Low,Fix released] 16:31:06 but I definitely think the wrapping is a nautilus bug 16:31:12 or something in that stack 16:32:09 I don't think there's any good reason for that weird wrapping, having nautilus render it as "Install Ubuntu\n12.04 LTS" would be fine 16:32:31 might even be gtk/pango 16:32:48 so move the bug to desktop and if they can't get it fixed for 12.04, then drop the version number for final? 16:33:44 Are we allowed to say "Install Ubuntu Precise"? Seems that it considers the period a sentence end so is wrapping it there. 16:34:30 jodh: I don't think so and that would likely cause some confusion 16:34:49 "Ubuntu Precise" isn't a proper way to refer to the final release 16:35:54 so assign to the desktop team then? 16:36:01 I wonder if you could "fool" the wrapping code then by using a UTF-8 'middle-dot' ('·' (0x00B7)) rather than a basic ASCII one? 16:36:08 bdmurray: yeah 16:36:09 and reassign the bug to nautilus, yes 16:36:22 there might be a way to fix it with pango attributes 16:36:31 splitting on a dot without whitespace after it is obviously wrong 16:36:39 okay, then bug 947236 - that won't be done this release will it? 16:36:40 Launchpad bug 947236 in base-files (Ubuntu Q-series) "Please provide /etc/os-release" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947236 16:36:43 but it likely won't be accessible from a desktop file so it will have to be fixed in the desktop stack anyway 16:37:11 I don't know that I object to doing os-release for P; it's not intrusive 16:37:12 pango has a "nowrap" mode iirc 16:38:09 fwiw the middle-dot trick works ;) 16:38:43 okay, then assign it to the team? 16:39:15 yeah 16:40:07 when I was looking at apt proxy bugs I found bug 24061 16:40:08 Launchpad bug 24061 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) "GPG error with apt-get/aptitude/update-manager behind proxy (BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24061 16:40:22 its in progress but not assigned 16:41:21 I'm not sure why that's in progress; for updated status you probably need to talk with mvo and/or DonKult 16:42:03 bdmurray: apols for the delay. That was a bug fix for a papercut. I'll try to find it. 16:42:25 ev: colin found it 16:42:45 cool 16:43:23 then slangasek and I were looking at bug 484499 yesterday 16:43:24 Launchpad bug 484499 in grub2 (Ubuntu Lucid) "[MASTER] syntax errors in /etc/default/grub break upgrades" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484499 16:43:37 Is there anything actionable there? 16:43:59 have something like visudo ? 16:44:09 the only thing we could do would be to have a debconf check for validity 16:44:09 but thats rather a task for UDS discussion 16:44:21 I strongly suspect that people would continue to file bugs anyway after breaking their configuration files 16:44:35 particularly because there are circumstances in which a debconf prompt won't show up 16:44:41 (noninteractive upgrades) 16:44:42 it causes a lot of noise though 16:44:52 it does, but we can't prevent it completely 16:44:55 every bit we can cut from that would help 16:45:05 I'm not even convinced we can prevent it mostly 16:45:54 visudo - mm, except that all the forums/blog/etc. advice people are following recommends editing the file directly 16:46:05 my initial suggestion to bdmurray had been to close that as non-actionable 16:46:07 and people will get equivalently confused if they're prevented 16:46:09 sure, it will have a transition time 16:46:16 he countered that we could at least put a warning comment in the file 16:46:28 * doko is leaving now for the Python language summit 16:46:33 but people also edit sudo without visudo ... still there is the header in the file 16:46:34 people observably don't read any commentary in grub configuration files 16:46:43 I don't think it's truly actionable, but if we close it, it will just get reopened 16:46:53 or new dups opened 16:46:59 s/sudo/sudoers/ 16:47:09 but in general, I don't think we should consider it in scope for us to prevent users from breaking package upgrades by breaking config files 16:47:30 (also, I don't want to change that file unnecessarily because it leads to conffile merge prompts) 16:47:41 bdmurray: should we leave the bug open then, but exclude it somehow with a tag? 16:47:58 slangasek: exclude it from the bug heat graph? sure 16:48:08 I'm not being wilfully obstructive here btw, I've just thought about this in the past and concluded that there isn't really much useful I can do ... 16:48:18 bdmurray: and from any other graphs / reports we're using to track bugs of importance 16:48:55 aren't a lot of duplicates of it automatically reported? we could so something there at least 16:49:02 cjwatson: right, users following bad advice they get on the Internet and breaking their /etc/default/grub is a social problem, not a technical one 16:49:02 s/so/do/ 16:49:46 if there's some way to automatically guide people through fixing it, that would be good 16:50:15 doesnt it need an update-grub run ? 16:50:20 after you edited ? 16:50:25 yes 16:50:31 so that could have a check 16:50:33 it does 16:50:35 it fails 16:50:41 aww, ok 16:50:47 I'm not prepared to let the package install anyway under those circumstances, though 16:50:51 that's just asking for trouble later 16:50:54 * slangasek nods 16:51:43 (the bad advice is often unintentional, BTW - unicode quotes and the like - but it's bad advice nonetheless) 16:51:57 that's all I have 16:52:46 cjwatson: realistically, what's the next step with this bug? If it's just going to sit open until someone gets around to writing "some way to automatically guide people through fixing it", that's the same as doing nothing 16:54:07 well, let's take that off-line I think :) 16:54:08 how about having it automatically included in /var/backups ... ? 16:54:09 [TOPIC] AOB 16:54:17 that's the only plausible next step that I can think of, so I guess if you think that bdmurray or I or somebody should be actioned to fix it ... 16:54:20 so you can at least easily roll back 16:54:49 anything else people want to talk about today? 16:56:24 cjwatson: I think it's going to be a lot of work to produce something (either wiki page or program) that gets people out of the mess in a semi-automated fashion, and I don't think that's a priority right now, no 16:56:51 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)