21:02:29 #startmeeting 21:02:29 Meeting started Wed Feb 29 21:02:29 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:02:29 21:02:29 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 21:03:23 [TOPIC] FC Members - division of labor 21:03:39 I think bodhizazen wants to rotate it 21:03:46 +1 to rotation 21:03:49 Anything more than that bodhizazen? 21:04:01 Identify who will do what next month 21:04:17 So, who wants to do the mailing list this month? I did it last month 21:04:29 I will! 21:04:47 OK, who wants to send the welcome message to new users ? 21:04:53 [ACTION] Mailing list = Iowan 21:04:53 * meetingology Mailing list = Iowan 21:05:00 And who will do the team report this month ? 21:05:10 I'll do the welcome message 21:05:14 I'll do the message to new members 21:05:21 to late :) 21:05:23 I will help you learn team reports, but I would like to rotate it 21:05:35 If you want it go ahead cariboo907 21:05:36 I'm still looking for pattern/uide for reports 21:05:57 OK, thanks s-fox 21:06:04 [ACTION] Welcome message = cariboo907 21:06:04 * meetingology Welcome message = cariboo907 21:06:05 Iowan: It is very easy 21:06:19 Easy if you know how/what... 21:06:23 I'll help with the report if anyone wants 21:06:37 I keep fighting with Wiki login. 21:06:39 Done it before 21:06:48 Iowan me and you do it? 21:06:51 Iowan: there is a template, we can show you later 21:07:08 Works for me. 21:07:28 Is tere a template for the welcome message too? 21:07:31 there 21:07:32 [ACTION] Forum report = Iowan and s-fox 21:07:32 * meetingology Forum report = Iowan and s-fox 21:07:34 I will do Ubuntu membership this month 21:07:49 cariboo907 all you need do is change the send from field. dead easy 21:07:59 you just tend to see some spam replies cariboo907 21:08:07 Then await the spam replies??? 21:08:15 >:) 21:08:20 * Iowan slow again 21:08:29 I've been dealing with some on the mailing list too 21:08:41 spam replies have fallen off =) 21:09:11 Would we all be prepared to agree we all 'muck in' with the rc, even though it is fairly quiet these days ? 21:09:28 I try... 21:09:34 OK here. 21:10:00 We're averaging about 3 days between complaints, which isn't bad for a forum with 1.5 million members.... 21:10:23 I guess we just aren't trying hard enough :) 21:10:30 [ACTION] RC = Everyone 21:10:30 * meetingology RC = Everyone 21:10:57 It is the 3 strikes / anti trolling policy, it has paid off in spades 21:11:01 As an FYI to the rest of the council, I am now bug supervisor thingy on launchpad for the council 21:11:08 If it starts going unnoticed, we can assing/volunteer someone. 21:11:19 +1 Iowan 21:11:31 (assign...) 21:11:35 +1 Iowan 21:12:00 Any other duties I've missed? 21:12:14 IP bans? 21:12:18 probably...;) 21:12:23 Watch staff thread - Stuff that needs an admin ASAP 21:12:48 Who fancies monitoring the admin thread ? 21:12:55 * coffeecat will 21:13:37 [ACTION] Admini thread = coffeecat 21:13:37 * meetingology Admini thread = coffeecat 21:13:40 Thanks to all for inserting the IP bans in numerical order... 21:14:00 Iowan, ? 21:14:05 Iowan: If it gets messy - I sort them in a terminal =) 21:14:24 I think the database does that, cause I just added them to the bottom of the list 21:14:30 I'm not yet that advanced 21:14:40 New topic time 21:14:45 They got moved cuz I moved 'em 21:14:56 [TOPIC] UF Banner community 21:15:04 Hi, that's me. 21:15:10 I was told on this: 21:15:11 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929888 21:15:15 thread to put that here. 21:15:26 * bodhizazen looks 21:15:37 Hello overdrank :) 21:16:20 michael_rawson, okay please explain why we should change it periodically :) 21:16:47 I think it is a good idea, but I do not know how easy (or hard) it will be 21:16:57 Okay, I thought it would be a bit of fun for the community, for special events, and to give the forum a bit of a change every so often. 21:17:06 Once the forums are upgraded there is a ton of stuff like that to be done 21:17:13 I agree 21:17:22 * bodhizazen changes the banner to gentoo 21:17:30 We do have another upgrade coming soon. 21:17:42 Well, I guess only as difficult as an admin with upload rights...but okay, wait until forums upgrade. Hehe, bodhi. 21:17:59 okay, that's me until forums upgrade. Thanks for having me! 21:18:04 I think having special milestone banner would be good :) 21:18:19 thank you, s-fox. 21:18:58 As a compromise, what if we agree that if it is easy to do then we should. For example we should hit 2m members later this year 21:19:14 Thoughts from the forum staff ? 21:19:18 There's 1st April as well! 21:19:28 Pivit point will be difficulty - and who can do it. 21:19:39 Sounds like a good idea. 21:19:41 Personally, I would go further than that 21:19:41 Well April 1st it'll be a Windows 8 banner 21:20:17 We could get in bother for that Merk42 21:20:19 I like the idea 21:20:34 michael_rawson: Although we are admins on the forums, we do not have full access to the server 21:20:35 Just not change is as often as Google. 21:20:40 Windows 9? 21:20:52 Windows 95? :/ 21:21:02 bodhizazen we could speak with the community council, sort of thing they might like to see 21:21:02 of course. Although *somebody* must have an ssh password. 21:21:09 moergaes: anything other than every other day then 21:21:11 yep 21:21:29 It doesn't hurt to ask. I can get in touch with rt if needed 21:22:14 [VOTE] If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions 21:22:14 Please vote on: If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions 21:22:14 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:22:24 +1 21:22:24 +1 received from Iowan 21:22:25 +1 21:22:25 +1 received from s-fox 21:22:28 +1 21:22:28 +1 received from coffeecat 21:22:28 +0 21:22:28 +0 received from overdrank 21:22:29 +1 21:22:29 +1 received from cariboo907 21:22:29 +1 21:22:29 +1 received from Merk42 21:22:29 +1 21:22:29 +1 received from bodhizazen 21:22:42 + 21:22:44 1 21:22:46 overdrank 21:22:59 +1 21:22:59 +1 received from moergaes 21:22:59 waves 21:23:09 overdrank vote ;) 21:23:19 overdrank did 21:23:20 Wow, thanks folks. 21:23:23 s-fox: overdrank +0 21:23:23 He did 21:23:24 oh wait, i see 21:23:29 :p 21:23:31 [END VOTE] 21:23:49 http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo 21:23:56 [ENDVOTE] 21:23:56 Voting ended on: If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions 21:23:56 Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:23:56 Motion carried 21:24:02 Syntax is everything 21:24:04 haha 21:24:19 http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/ubuntu-white-and-orange-on-aubergine.gif 21:24:25 Who wants to contact the cc ? 21:24:31 congrats michael_rawson :) 21:24:36 bodhizazen overdrank? 21:24:48 :) 21:25:16 Personally I would wait for upgrade, ask TV how easy / hard it will be, if hard -> rt with canonical 21:25:32 Okay, that sounds like a plan to me. 21:25:37 agree 21:25:56 http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/brand-extensions-2.gif 21:26:02 question: is there a schedule for forum upgrades? 21:26:15 [ACTION] Pick this up after upgrade 21:26:15 * meetingology Pick this up after upgrade 21:26:26 michael_rawson: Yes, upgrade is due to be complete no later then 7/1/2000 21:26:47 which year? 21:26:49 michael_rawson we have another upgrade soon :-) we had one during the week 21:26:51 and yes, that date is correct 21:26:56 bodhizazen: Okay, I get the point. :D 21:27:07 " 21:27:37 michael_rawson: It is a big database and we want a smooth transition, our inbox was filled with bug reports over the weekend, so it is in progress, but somewhat unpredictable 21:27:43 [TOPIC] Custom BBCodes 21:27:48 yup, appreciate what you're doing. 21:27:52 coffeecat, you're up 21:27:54 Not much to add to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1925310 OK to go ahead? 21:27:54 :) 21:28:12 +10000 21:28:35 +100001 21:28:45 that pretty much sez it 21:28:46 +9000 21:28:48 Looks good, wait until after upgrade 21:28:52 :) 21:28:52 +00000 21:29:07 I'm happy to wait until after upgrade. 21:29:19 +1 21:29:26 [ACTION] Custom BBCodes after upgrade 21:29:26 * meetingology Custom BBCodes after upgrade 21:30:00 [TOPIC] Outstanding Ubuntu Memberships (2) 21:30:26 +1 to both 21:30:28 I think we all voted in the staff thread. I think we just need to formalise it 21:30:31 Just two ? 21:30:41 Just two. 21:30:51 That is just sad 21:30:58 lechien73 and josephmills. 21:31:24 How many members do we have in total? 21:31:24 Isn' the subforum closed at the minute to new requests ? 21:31:34 I don't think so. 21:31:41 no 21:31:58 I think 21:32:01 Thought there were some apps that hadn't been processed 21:32:03 :/ 21:32:04 No - and I changed the wiki page to read rolling applications. 21:32:15 Okay, well either way we need to formalise the voting. 21:32:28 moergaes: there are 48 members via forum it seems 21:32:34 [VOTE] lechien73 for ubuntu membership 21:32:34 Please vote on: lechien73 for ubuntu membership 21:32:34 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:32:38 +1 21:32:38 +1 received from s-fox 21:32:43 +1 21:32:43 +1 received from coffeecat 21:32:44 +1 21:32:44 +1 received from Merk42 21:32:44 +1 21:32:44 +1 received from overdrank 21:32:48 +1 21:32:48 +1 received from cariboo907 21:32:49 +1 21:32:49 +1 received from bodhizazen 21:32:59 +0 21:32:59 +0 received from Iowan 21:33:10 [ENDVOTE] 21:33:10 Voting ended on: lechien73 for ubuntu membership 21:33:10 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:33:10 Motion carried 21:33:34 |0? 21:33:48 Just unfamiliar... 21:33:55 [VOTE] josephmills for ubuntu membership 21:33:55 Please vote on: josephmills for ubuntu membership 21:33:55 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:34:00 +1 21:34:00 +1 received from overdrank 21:34:01 + 21:34:02 +1 21:34:02 +1 received from coffeecat 21:34:04 +1 21:34:04 +1 received from cariboo907 21:34:10 +1 21:34:10 +1 received from Merk42 21:34:18 +1 21:34:18 +1 received from bodhizazen 21:34:54 +1 21:34:54 +1 received from s-fox 21:35:05 [ENDVOTE] 21:35:05 Voting ended on: josephmills for ubuntu membership 21:35:05 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:35:05 Motion carried 21:35:45 Who wants to sort launchpad / bean images out ? 21:35:49 I will add those two in, probably in a day or two 21:36:04 [ACTION] bodhizazen to sort new ubuntu members out 21:36:04 * meetingology bodhizazen to sort new ubuntu members out 21:36:29 [TOPIC] Reverse mjp29 ban 21:36:33 Unless someone else wants to learn the ropes, in which case I will help 21:36:44 is mjp29 here ? 21:36:53 Iowan ? 21:37:05 I didn't think to send an invite. 21:37:24 Was it a ban in error, or user contesting the ban? 21:37:38 If mjp29 signs (gpg) the Ubuntu Code of Conduct I would allow him back on a trial basis 21:37:40 User sent mail to list 21:37:53 That was back in 2009 21:38:06 2009/ 21:38:10 :o 21:38:22 Nasty reply - I'd rather be banned f... forever than be censored. 21:38:42 I was looking for page when I noticed time 21:39:06 Okay, I'd go with that. Personally I would leave banned after that kind of reply. 21:39:08 The user was trolling on the forums and requested a ban, lol 21:39:20 Since I was involved +0 21:39:43 Seems to have had change of heart - but wondered WHY he'd been banned. 21:39:59 Do we have a link to the infraction thread ? 21:40:00 Sounds slightly disingenuous to wonder why 21:40:03 I'd thiink he would remember a statement like that. 21:40:27 We did. I was looking for it. 21:40:42 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1334693&highlight=mjp29 21:40:51 Thanks overdrank :) 21:40:59 :) 21:41:44 That thread explains the 2 points but not the burnt beans. 21:42:20 Further down, I believe it was a private message to kiwi or I 21:42:21 As KiwiNZ put it - sounded like a request 21:42:24 seem kiwi granted a wish 21:42:28 OK 21:42:52 Would it be pudent to invite him to next meting? 21:42:53 We could unburn, but leave user on strike 2 21:43:01 +1 invite 21:43:01 People change, but I would still insist on a gpg signed CoC =) 21:43:18 We can tell him that at the next meeting bodhizazen 21:43:19 Agree with bodhizazen about gpg signing. 21:43:34 Naw, just send a response and be done with it 21:43:50 This can be managed via email 21:43:53 IMO 21:44:15 [VOTE] Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc 21:44:15 Please vote on: Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc 21:44:15 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:44:23 -1 21:44:23 -1 received from cariboo907 21:44:26 +0 21:44:26 +0 received from s-fox 21:44:30 +0 21:44:30 +0 received from Merk42 21:44:34 +0 21:44:34 +0 received from overdrank 21:44:41 +0 21:44:41 +0 received from Iowan 21:44:44 +0 21:44:44 +0 received from coffeecat 21:44:49 +1 21:44:49 +1 received from bodhizazen 21:45:01 lol 21:45:04 [ENDVOTE] 21:45:04 Voting ended on: Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc 21:45:04 Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:5 21:45:04 Deadlock, casting vote may be used 21:45:17 AI get to decide 21:45:27 +1 AI 21:46:15 But will that change anything? 21:46:31 Even if AI +1s majority are still +0 21:46:32 Nt with a +0 21:46:58 +0 means go with AI =) 21:47:25 [ACTION] Leave it up to AI to decide 21:47:25 * meetingology Leave it up to AI to decide 21:47:31 Metingology would have 2 -1 = passed 21:47:32 ;) 21:48:12 Okay,think that is it \o/ 21:48:40 Thanks s-fox 21:49:00 * cariboo907 says thanks too 21:49:01 We still need a formal chair for fc 21:49:15 me +1 for bodhizazen 21:49:18 +1 for s-fox 21:49:48 I do not mind chairing, it's fun 21:50:05 bodhizazen ? 21:50:12 co-chair ? chair and vice-chair ? 21:50:14 lol 21:50:33 woohoo that works 21:50:48 Our intention is to alternate the meeting times. some are going to be better for me , some are going to be better for you 21:51:01 Whoever it works best for on the day can be the chair 21:51:02 +1 for what bodhizazen said 21:51:06 agree? 21:51:11 +1 split 21:51:41 +1 co-chair 21:51:54 For example, I missed start of last meeting because it was at 05:00 am for me 21:52:10 In the "good old days" there was always 2 - matthew and UG, and IMO that was best, more balanced, less dictatorial 21:52:22 Okay. 21:52:38 [VOTE] bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair 21:52:38 Please vote on: bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair 21:52:38 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:52:41 +1 21:52:41 +1 received from s-fox 21:52:46 +1 21:52:46 +1 received from cariboo907 21:52:48 +1 21:52:48 +1 received from overdrank 21:52:49 +1 21:52:49 +1 received from coffeecat 21:52:54 +! 21:52:56 +1 21:52:56 +1 received from Merk42 21:52:57 +1 21:52:57 +1 received from Iowan 21:53:13 [ENDVOTE] 21:53:13 Voting ended on: bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair 21:53:13 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:53:13 Motion carried 21:53:16 +0 21:53:18 Thank you 21:53:21 lol 21:53:26 lol 21:53:29 sorry bodhizazen 21:53:33 np 21:53:51 That was the fastest vote in the west 21:53:56 Okay, i think we are done.... 21:53:58 I will continue emailing mjp29 - if he refuses CoC, decision becomes easier. 21:54:03 anything else ? 21:54:14 No good day all 21:54:17 I think that is a great idea Iowan 21:54:29 +1 Iowan 21:54:30 o/ 21:54:57 Update on forums upgrade ? 21:54:58 Okay, ending the meeting. 21:55:10 bodhizazen It is in scc 21:55:26 Thank you all for coming, great turnout 21:55:31 :) 21:55:33 Yea, but I was thinking a public update, ie minutes of this meeting, up to you 21:55:54 s-fox "scc"? 21:55:59 Just don't tell them about the super secret server =) 21:56:13 doh -) 21:56:32 michael_rawson staff discussion area away from prying eyes ;) 21:56:42 kk. ;) I didn't hear that. 21:56:42 :) 21:57:14 SCC=Steering Column Cover at work... 21:57:16 Okay, to the room in general: The upgrade is happening soon, though we don't have an exact timeframe 21:57:43 \o/ 21:57:49 Right, ending the meeting... 21:57:53 #endmeeting