21:02:29 <s-fox> #startmeeting 21:02:29 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 29 21:02:29 2012 UTC. The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:02:29 <meetingology> 21:02:29 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 21:03:23 <s-fox> [TOPIC] FC Members - division of labor 21:03:39 <s-fox> I think bodhizazen wants to rotate it 21:03:46 <bodhizazen> +1 to rotation 21:03:49 <s-fox> Anything more than that bodhizazen? 21:04:01 <bodhizazen> Identify who will do what next month 21:04:17 <s-fox> So, who wants to do the mailing list this month? I did it last month 21:04:29 <Iowan> I will! 21:04:47 <bodhizazen> OK, who wants to send the welcome message to new users ? 21:04:53 <s-fox> [ACTION] Mailing list = Iowan 21:04:53 * meetingology Mailing list = Iowan 21:05:00 <bodhizazen> And who will do the team report this month ? 21:05:10 <s-fox> I'll do the welcome message 21:05:14 <cariboo907> I'll do the message to new members 21:05:21 <cariboo907> to late :) 21:05:23 <bodhizazen> I will help you learn team reports, but I would like to rotate it 21:05:35 <s-fox> If you want it go ahead cariboo907 21:05:36 <Iowan> I'm still looking for pattern/uide for reports 21:05:57 <cariboo907> OK, thanks s-fox 21:06:04 <s-fox> [ACTION] Welcome message = cariboo907 21:06:04 * meetingology Welcome message = cariboo907 21:06:05 <bodhizazen> Iowan: It is very easy 21:06:19 <Iowan> Easy if you know how/what... 21:06:23 <s-fox> I'll help with the report if anyone wants 21:06:37 <Iowan> I keep fighting with Wiki login. 21:06:39 <s-fox> Done it before 21:06:48 <s-fox> Iowan me and you do it? 21:06:51 <bodhizazen> Iowan: there is a template, we can show you later 21:07:08 <Iowan> Works for me. 21:07:28 <cariboo907> Is tere a template for the welcome message too? 21:07:31 <cariboo907> there 21:07:32 <s-fox> [ACTION] Forum report = Iowan and s-fox 21:07:32 * meetingology Forum report = Iowan and s-fox 21:07:34 <bodhizazen> I will do Ubuntu membership this month 21:07:49 <s-fox> cariboo907 all you need do is change the send from field. dead easy 21:07:59 <s-fox> you just tend to see some spam replies cariboo907 21:08:07 <Iowan> Then await the spam replies??? 21:08:15 <s-fox> >:) 21:08:20 * Iowan slow again 21:08:29 <cariboo907> I've been dealing with some on the mailing list too 21:08:41 <bodhizazen> spam replies have fallen off =) 21:09:11 <s-fox> Would we all be prepared to agree we all 'muck in' with the rc, even though it is fairly quiet these days ? 21:09:28 <Iowan> I try... 21:09:34 <coffeecat> OK here. 21:10:00 <s-fox> We're averaging about 3 days between complaints, which isn't bad for a forum with 1.5 million members.... 21:10:23 <cariboo907> I guess we just aren't trying hard enough :) 21:10:30 <s-fox> [ACTION] RC = Everyone 21:10:30 * meetingology RC = Everyone 21:10:57 <bodhizazen> It is the 3 strikes / anti trolling policy, it has paid off in spades 21:11:01 <s-fox> As an FYI to the rest of the council, I am now bug supervisor thingy on launchpad for the council 21:11:08 <Iowan> If it starts going unnoticed, we can assing/volunteer someone. 21:11:19 <bodhizazen> +1 Iowan 21:11:31 <Iowan> (assign...) 21:11:35 <s-fox> +1 Iowan 21:12:00 <s-fox> Any other duties I've missed? 21:12:14 <s-fox> IP bans? 21:12:18 <Iowan> probably...;) 21:12:23 <bodhizazen> Watch staff thread - Stuff that needs an admin ASAP 21:12:48 <s-fox> Who fancies monitoring the admin thread ? 21:12:55 * coffeecat will 21:13:37 <s-fox> [ACTION] Admini thread = coffeecat 21:13:37 * meetingology Admini thread = coffeecat 21:13:40 <Iowan> Thanks to all for inserting the IP bans in numerical order... 21:14:00 <nothingspecial> Iowan, ? 21:14:05 <bodhizazen> Iowan: If it gets messy - I sort them in a terminal =) 21:14:24 <cariboo907> I think the database does that, cause I just added them to the bottom of the list 21:14:30 <Iowan> I'm not yet that advanced 21:14:40 <s-fox> New topic time 21:14:45 <Iowan> They got moved cuz I moved 'em 21:14:56 <s-fox> [TOPIC] UF Banner community 21:15:04 <michael_rawson> Hi, that's me. 21:15:10 <michael_rawson> I was told on this: 21:15:11 <michael_rawson> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1929888 21:15:15 <michael_rawson> thread to put that here. 21:15:26 * bodhizazen looks 21:15:37 <s-fox> Hello overdrank :) 21:16:20 <s-fox> michael_rawson, okay please explain why we should change it periodically :) 21:16:47 <bodhizazen> I think it is a good idea, but I do not know how easy (or hard) it will be 21:16:57 <michael_rawson> Okay, I thought it would be a bit of fun for the community, for special events, and to give the forum a bit of a change every so often. 21:17:06 <bodhizazen> Once the forums are upgraded there is a ton of stuff like that to be done 21:17:13 <nothingspecial> I agree 21:17:22 * bodhizazen changes the banner to gentoo 21:17:30 <s-fox> We do have another upgrade coming soon. 21:17:42 <michael_rawson> Well, I guess only as difficult as an admin with upload rights...but okay, wait until forums upgrade. Hehe, bodhi. 21:17:59 <michael_rawson> okay, that's me until forums upgrade. Thanks for having me! 21:18:04 <s-fox> I think having special milestone banner would be good :) 21:18:19 <michael_rawson> thank you, s-fox. 21:18:58 <s-fox> As a compromise, what if we agree that if it is easy to do then we should. For example we should hit 2m members later this year 21:19:14 <s-fox> Thoughts from the forum staff ? 21:19:18 <coffeecat> There's 1st April as well! 21:19:28 <Iowan> Pivit point will be difficulty - and who can do it. 21:19:39 <moergaes> Sounds like a good idea. 21:19:41 <nothingspecial> Personally, I would go further than that 21:19:41 <Merk42> Well April 1st it'll be a Windows 8 banner 21:20:17 <s-fox> We could get in bother for that Merk42 21:20:19 <hobgoblin> I like the idea 21:20:34 <bodhizazen> michael_rawson: Although we are admins on the forums, we do not have full access to the server 21:20:35 <moergaes> Just not change is as often as Google. 21:20:40 <Iowan> Windows 9? 21:20:52 <coffeecat> Windows 95? :/ 21:21:02 <s-fox> bodhizazen we could speak with the community council, sort of thing they might like to see 21:21:02 <michael_rawson> of course. Although *somebody* must have an ssh password. 21:21:09 <hobgoblin> moergaes: anything other than every other day then 21:21:11 <bodhizazen> yep 21:21:29 <s-fox> It doesn't hurt to ask. I can get in touch with rt if needed 21:22:14 <s-fox> [VOTE] If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions 21:22:14 <meetingology> Please vote on: If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions 21:22:14 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:22:24 <Iowan> +1 21:22:24 <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan 21:22:25 <s-fox> +1 21:22:25 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 21:22:28 <coffeecat> +1 21:22:28 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 21:22:28 <overdrank> +0 21:22:28 <meetingology> +0 received from overdrank 21:22:29 <cariboo907> +1 21:22:29 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 21:22:29 <Merk42> +1 21:22:29 <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42 21:22:29 <bodhizazen> +1 21:22:29 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen 21:22:42 <moergaes> + 21:22:44 <moergaes> 1 21:22:46 <s-fox> overdrank 21:22:59 <moergaes> +1 21:22:59 <meetingology> +1 received from moergaes 21:22:59 <overdrank> waves 21:23:09 <s-fox> overdrank vote ;) 21:23:19 <hobgoblin> overdrank did 21:23:20 <michael_rawson> Wow, thanks folks. 21:23:23 <bodhizazen> s-fox: overdrank +0 21:23:23 <Iowan> He did 21:23:24 <s-fox> oh wait, i see 21:23:29 <hobgoblin> :p 21:23:31 <s-fox> [END VOTE] 21:23:49 <bodhizazen> http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo 21:23:56 <s-fox> [ENDVOTE] 21:23:56 <meetingology> Voting ended on: If community council agree, periodically update forum banner for special occasions 21:23:56 <meetingology> Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:23:56 <meetingology> Motion carried 21:24:02 <s-fox> Syntax is everything 21:24:04 <s-fox> haha 21:24:19 <bodhizazen> http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/ubuntu-white-and-orange-on-aubergine.gif 21:24:25 <s-fox> Who wants to contact the cc ? 21:24:31 <nothingspecial> congrats michael_rawson :) 21:24:36 <s-fox> bodhizazen overdrank? 21:24:48 <michael_rawson> :) 21:25:16 <bodhizazen> Personally I would wait for upgrade, ask TV how easy / hard it will be, if hard -> rt with canonical 21:25:32 <s-fox> Okay, that sounds like a plan to me. 21:25:37 <overdrank> agree 21:25:56 <bodhizazen> http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/brand-extensions-2.gif 21:26:02 <michael_rawson> question: is there a schedule for forum upgrades? 21:26:15 <s-fox> [ACTION] Pick this up after upgrade 21:26:15 * meetingology Pick this up after upgrade 21:26:26 <bodhizazen> michael_rawson: Yes, upgrade is due to be complete no later then 7/1/2000 21:26:47 <Iowan> which year? 21:26:49 <s-fox> michael_rawson we have another upgrade soon :-) we had one during the week 21:26:51 <bodhizazen> and yes, that date is correct 21:26:56 <michael_rawson> bodhizazen: Okay, I get the point. :D 21:27:07 <Iowan> " 21:27:37 <bodhizazen> michael_rawson: It is a big database and we want a smooth transition, our inbox was filled with bug reports over the weekend, so it is in progress, but somewhat unpredictable 21:27:43 <s-fox> [TOPIC] Custom BBCodes 21:27:48 <michael_rawson> yup, appreciate what you're doing. 21:27:52 <s-fox> coffeecat, you're up 21:27:54 <coffeecat> Not much to add to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1925310 OK to go ahead? 21:27:54 <s-fox> :) 21:28:12 <bodhizazen> +10000 21:28:35 <nothingspecial> +100001 21:28:45 <Iowan> that pretty much sez it 21:28:46 <cariboo907> +9000 21:28:48 <s-fox> Looks good, wait until after upgrade 21:28:52 <s-fox> :) 21:28:52 <overdrank> +00000 21:29:07 <coffeecat> I'm happy to wait until after upgrade. 21:29:19 <nothingspecial> +1 21:29:26 <s-fox> [ACTION] Custom BBCodes after upgrade 21:29:26 * meetingology Custom BBCodes after upgrade 21:30:00 <s-fox> [TOPIC] Outstanding Ubuntu Memberships (2) 21:30:26 <nothingspecial> +1 to both 21:30:28 <s-fox> I think we all voted in the staff thread. I think we just need to formalise it 21:30:31 <bodhizazen> Just two ? 21:30:41 <coffeecat> Just two. 21:30:51 <bodhizazen> That is just sad 21:30:58 <coffeecat> lechien73 and josephmills. 21:31:24 <moergaes> How many members do we have in total? 21:31:24 <s-fox> Isn' the subforum closed at the minute to new requests ? 21:31:34 <coffeecat> I don't think so. 21:31:41 <nothingspecial> no 21:31:58 <nothingspecial> I think 21:32:01 <Iowan> Thought there were some apps that hadn't been processed 21:32:03 <nothingspecial> :/ 21:32:04 <coffeecat> No - and I changed the wiki page to read rolling applications. 21:32:15 <s-fox> Okay, well either way we need to formalise the voting. 21:32:28 <hobgoblin> moergaes: there are 48 members via forum it seems 21:32:34 <s-fox> [VOTE] lechien73 for ubuntu membership 21:32:34 <meetingology> Please vote on: lechien73 for ubuntu membership 21:32:34 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:32:38 <s-fox> +1 21:32:38 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 21:32:43 <coffeecat> +1 21:32:43 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 21:32:44 <Merk42> +1 21:32:44 <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42 21:32:44 <overdrank> +1 21:32:44 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 21:32:48 <cariboo907> +1 21:32:48 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 21:32:49 <bodhizazen> +1 21:32:49 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen 21:32:59 <Iowan> +0 21:32:59 <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan 21:33:10 <s-fox> [ENDVOTE] 21:33:10 <meetingology> Voting ended on: lechien73 for ubuntu membership 21:33:10 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 21:33:10 <meetingology> Motion carried 21:33:34 <bodhizazen> |0? 21:33:48 <Iowan> Just unfamiliar... 21:33:55 <s-fox> [VOTE] josephmills for ubuntu membership 21:33:55 <meetingology> Please vote on: josephmills for ubuntu membership 21:33:55 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:34:00 <overdrank> +1 21:34:00 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 21:34:01 <Iowan> + 21:34:02 <coffeecat> +1 21:34:02 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 21:34:04 <cariboo907> +1 21:34:04 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 21:34:10 <Merk42> +1 21:34:10 <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42 21:34:18 <bodhizazen> +1 21:34:18 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen 21:34:54 <s-fox> +1 21:34:54 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 21:35:05 <s-fox> [ENDVOTE] 21:35:05 <meetingology> Voting ended on: josephmills for ubuntu membership 21:35:05 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:35:05 <meetingology> Motion carried 21:35:45 <s-fox> Who wants to sort launchpad / bean images out ? 21:35:49 <bodhizazen> I will add those two in, probably in a day or two 21:36:04 <s-fox> [ACTION] bodhizazen to sort new ubuntu members out 21:36:04 * meetingology bodhizazen to sort new ubuntu members out 21:36:29 <s-fox> [TOPIC] Reverse mjp29 ban 21:36:33 <bodhizazen> Unless someone else wants to learn the ropes, in which case I will help 21:36:44 <bodhizazen> is mjp29 here ? 21:36:53 <s-fox> Iowan ? 21:37:05 <Iowan> I didn't think to send an invite. 21:37:24 <s-fox> Was it a ban in error, or user contesting the ban? 21:37:38 <bodhizazen> If mjp29 signs (gpg) the Ubuntu Code of Conduct I would allow him back on a trial basis 21:37:40 <Iowan> User sent mail to list 21:37:53 <Iowan> That was back in 2009 21:38:06 <s-fox> 2009/ 21:38:10 <s-fox> :o 21:38:22 <Iowan> Nasty reply - I'd rather be banned f... forever than be censored. 21:38:42 <Iowan> I was looking for page when I noticed time 21:39:06 <s-fox> Okay, I'd go with that. Personally I would leave banned after that kind of reply. 21:39:08 <bodhizazen> The user was trolling on the forums and requested a ban, lol 21:39:20 <overdrank> Since I was involved +0 21:39:43 <Iowan> Seems to have had change of heart - but wondered WHY he'd been banned. 21:39:59 <s-fox> Do we have a link to the infraction thread ? 21:40:00 <coffeecat> Sounds slightly disingenuous to wonder why 21:40:03 <Iowan> I'd thiink he would remember a statement like that. 21:40:27 <Iowan> We did. I was looking for it. 21:40:42 <overdrank> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1334693&highlight=mjp29 21:40:51 <s-fox> Thanks overdrank :) 21:40:59 <overdrank> :) 21:41:44 <coffeecat> That thread explains the 2 points but not the burnt beans. 21:42:20 <overdrank> Further down, I believe it was a private message to kiwi or I 21:42:21 <Iowan> As KiwiNZ put it - sounded like a request 21:42:24 <s-fox> seem kiwi granted a wish 21:42:28 <coffeecat> OK 21:42:52 <Iowan> Would it be pudent to invite him to next meting? 21:42:53 <s-fox> We could unburn, but leave user on strike 2 21:43:01 <s-fox> +1 invite 21:43:01 <bodhizazen> People change, but I would still insist on a gpg signed CoC =) 21:43:18 <s-fox> We can tell him that at the next meeting bodhizazen 21:43:19 <coffeecat> Agree with bodhizazen about gpg signing. 21:43:34 <bodhizazen> Naw, just send a response and be done with it 21:43:50 <bodhizazen> This can be managed via email 21:43:53 <bodhizazen> IMO 21:44:15 <s-fox> [VOTE] Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc 21:44:15 <meetingology> Please vote on: Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc 21:44:15 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:44:23 <cariboo907> -1 21:44:23 <meetingology> -1 received from cariboo907 21:44:26 <s-fox> +0 21:44:26 <meetingology> +0 received from s-fox 21:44:30 <Merk42> +0 21:44:30 <meetingology> +0 received from Merk42 21:44:34 <overdrank> +0 21:44:34 <meetingology> +0 received from overdrank 21:44:41 <Iowan> +0 21:44:41 <meetingology> +0 received from Iowan 21:44:44 <coffeecat> +0 21:44:44 <meetingology> +0 received from coffeecat 21:44:49 <bodhizazen> +1 21:44:49 <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen 21:45:01 <bodhizazen> lol 21:45:04 <s-fox> [ENDVOTE] 21:45:04 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Allow back on basis of gpg signed coc 21:45:04 <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:1 Abstentions:5 21:45:04 <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used 21:45:17 <Iowan> AI get to decide 21:45:27 <s-fox> +1 AI 21:46:15 <s-fox> But will that change anything? 21:46:31 <s-fox> Even if AI +1s majority are still +0 21:46:32 <Iowan> Nt with a +0 21:46:58 <bodhizazen> +0 means go with AI =) 21:47:25 <s-fox> [ACTION] Leave it up to AI to decide 21:47:25 * meetingology Leave it up to AI to decide 21:47:31 <Iowan> Metingology would have 2 -1 = passed 21:47:32 <s-fox> ;) 21:48:12 <s-fox> Okay,think that is it \o/ 21:48:40 <overdrank> Thanks s-fox 21:49:00 * cariboo907 says thanks too 21:49:01 <s-fox> We still need a formal chair for fc 21:49:15 <overdrank> me +1 for bodhizazen 21:49:18 <cariboo907> +1 for s-fox 21:49:48 <s-fox> I do not mind chairing, it's fun 21:50:05 <s-fox> bodhizazen ? 21:50:12 <bodhizazen> co-chair ? chair and vice-chair ? 21:50:14 <bodhizazen> lol 21:50:33 <overdrank> woohoo that works 21:50:48 <s-fox> Our intention is to alternate the meeting times. some are going to be better for me , some are going to be better for you 21:51:01 <s-fox> Whoever it works best for on the day can be the chair 21:51:02 <cariboo907> +1 for what bodhizazen said 21:51:06 <s-fox> agree? 21:51:11 <nothingspecial> +1 split 21:51:41 <Iowan> +1 co-chair 21:51:54 <s-fox> For example, I missed start of last meeting because it was at 05:00 am for me 21:52:10 <bodhizazen> In the "good old days" there was always 2 - matthew and UG, and IMO that was best, more balanced, less dictatorial 21:52:22 <s-fox> Okay. 21:52:38 <s-fox> [VOTE] bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair 21:52:38 <meetingology> Please vote on: bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair 21:52:38 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 21:52:41 <s-fox> +1 21:52:41 <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox 21:52:46 <cariboo907> +1 21:52:46 <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907 21:52:48 <overdrank> +1 21:52:48 <meetingology> +1 received from overdrank 21:52:49 <coffeecat> +1 21:52:49 <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat 21:52:54 <Merk42> +! 21:52:56 <Merk42> +1 21:52:56 <meetingology> +1 received from Merk42 21:52:57 <Iowan> +1 21:52:57 <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan 21:53:13 <s-fox> [ENDVOTE] 21:53:13 <meetingology> Voting ended on: bodhizazen and s-fox to co-chair 21:53:13 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 21:53:13 <meetingology> Motion carried 21:53:16 <bodhizazen> +0 21:53:18 <s-fox> Thank you 21:53:21 <bodhizazen> lol 21:53:26 <s-fox> lol 21:53:29 <s-fox> sorry bodhizazen 21:53:33 <bodhizazen> np 21:53:51 <bodhizazen> That was the fastest vote in the west 21:53:56 <s-fox> Okay, i think we are done.... 21:53:58 <Iowan> I will continue emailing mjp29 - if he refuses CoC, decision becomes easier. 21:54:03 <s-fox> anything else ? 21:54:14 <overdrank> No good day all 21:54:17 <bodhizazen> I think that is a great idea Iowan 21:54:29 <s-fox> +1 Iowan 21:54:30 <bodhizazen> o/ 21:54:57 <bodhizazen> Update on forums upgrade ? 21:54:58 <s-fox> Okay, ending the meeting. 21:55:10 <s-fox> bodhizazen It is in scc 21:55:26 <s-fox> Thank you all for coming, great turnout 21:55:31 <s-fox> :) 21:55:33 <bodhizazen> Yea, but I was thinking a public update, ie minutes of this meeting, up to you 21:55:54 <michael_rawson> s-fox "scc"? 21:55:59 <bodhizazen> Just don't tell them about the super secret server =) 21:56:13 <bodhizazen> doh -) 21:56:32 <s-fox> michael_rawson staff discussion area away from prying eyes ;) 21:56:42 <michael_rawson> kk. ;) I didn't hear that. 21:56:42 <nothingspecial> :) 21:57:14 <Iowan> SCC=Steering Column Cover at work... 21:57:16 <s-fox> Okay, to the room in general: The upgrade is happening soon, though we don't have an exact timeframe 21:57:43 <nothingspecial> \o/ 21:57:49 <s-fox> Right, ending the meeting... 21:57:53 <s-fox> #endmeeting