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16:00:19 * ScottK looks over and watches Riddell desperately scribble out his release meeting input.
16:00:33 * stgraber waves
16:00:34 <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
16:00:34 <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)
16:00:35 <skaet> Agenda can be found:
16:00:35 <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-02-24
16:00:35 <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from:
16:00:35 <skaet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/thread.html
16:00:37 <skaet> .
16:00:39 <skaet> Schedule is at:
16:00:41 <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
16:00:43 <skaet> #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
16:00:45 <skaet> .
16:00:48 <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
16:00:49 <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
16:00:50 <pitti> still roundtable today, or free-form questions?
16:00:53 <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
16:00:56 <skaet> .
16:00:58 <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
16:01:00 <skaet> � 2012/02/02 - Beta 1
16:01:02 <skaet> .
16:01:04 <skaet> Now in BetaFreeze ( as well as UserInterfaceFreeze, FeatureFreeze).  Thank you to those who got their fixes in before the Freeze.  :)
16:01:05 <arosales> Hello
16:01:07 <skaet> .
16:01:09 <skaet> Thank you from release team to stgraber for getting queuebot working on the unapproved queue last night - makes things much easier to keep on top of.  :)
16:01:12 <skaet> .
16:01:14 <skaet> CD images are oversized,  so figuring out options to cut down the size of some packages/etc. would be appreciated.
16:01:17 <skaet> .
16:01:19 <skaet> If time permits (ie. we end less than an hour), there will be a discussion at the end on some restructuring of this meeting,   possibly using an open forum for Q&A rather than explicit round table.   But for today again, we'll continue with round table.
16:01:25 <skaet> ..
16:01:28 <skaet> pitti,  still round table today.    want the discussion to happen first.
16:01:28 <pitti> o/
16:01:31 <skaet> before we switch
16:01:38 <skaet> go pitti.
16:01:55 <pitti> wrt CD size, we just got a new ffox/tbird which should save ~ 2 or 2.5 MB each
16:02:06 <pitti> skaet: will that be a topic of its own?
16:02:13 <pitti> if so, I'll just wait
16:02:14 <skaet> yes
16:02:19 <pitti> ack, ..
16:03:04 <skaet> ok, on to round table, and then if we don't figure it out during round table,  image pruning topic at end.
16:03:13 <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
16:03:19 <mlegris> [link]https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000886.html
16:03:40 <mlegris> no big updated besides checkbox changing to Qt
16:03:53 <mlegris> any questions?
16:04:01 <Riddell> mlegris: ooh where can I test that?
16:04:13 <mlegris> Riddell: yes, you can now :)
16:04:26 * skaet points Riddell to mletgis's email...
16:04:31 <Riddell> got it :)
16:05:12 <skaet> [Topic] QA team update -  jibel
16:05:16 * Riddell already got nessita to fix a problem in ubuntuone Qt :)
16:05:24 <jibel> hi
16:05:29 <jibel> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000885.html
16:06:07 <jibel> upgrade bug 940252 is caused by a very bad probe effect of the code that capture debconf prompt
16:06:08 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 940252 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "lucid -> precise main all upgrade: system upgrades but upgraded system is still lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940252
16:06:17 <nessita> Riddell: want me to fix something else? :-D
16:06:20 * nessita fixes
16:06:31 <pitti> jibel: oh, curious
16:06:58 <jibel> it is disabled for the moment and in return there a new bug with kde-runtime that fails to upgrade from lucid
16:07:10 <jibel> bug 940396
16:07:12 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 940396 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "lucid -> precise main all failed to upgrade: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kde-runtime" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/940396
16:07:24 <jibel> ..
16:07:27 <skaet> jibel,  looks like there will be some things to dig into indeed.   Thanks for flagging them now.
16:07:50 * skaet contemplates foundation team will be busy for next couple of days...
16:07:58 <Riddell> jibel: hmm interesting.  I did my smoke test on oneiric upgrade and that was fine, guess I'll need to do lucid now
16:08:53 <skaet> Thanks jibel (and mlegris).  :)
16:09:27 <skaet> [Topic] Security team update - mdeslaur
16:09:34 <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000872.html
16:09:45 <mdeslaur> apparmor upload is imminent
16:09:59 <mdeslaur> nothing further
16:10:01 <mdeslaur> any questions?
16:10:06 <mdeslaur> ..
16:10:14 <skaet> thanks mdeslaur.
16:11:08 <skaet> apw,    will next kernel after beta 1 have the upstream commit security requests?
16:11:29 * apw doesn't know off the top of his head, will look
16:11:41 <skaet> thanks
16:11:51 <skaet> [Topic] Kernel team update -apw
16:12:07 <apw> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000874.html
16:12:10 <apw> 
16:12:12 <apw> There has been a new development in the RC6 patch we applied.  An
16:12:14 <apw> additional fix has been proposed from upstream which has been confirmed to
16:12:16 <apw> resolve the graphics corruption issues seen on some Samsung model's when
16:12:18 <apw> RC6 is enabled by default.  We're still waiting on feedback if it also
16:12:20 <apw> resolves the hard shutdown issues seen on ASUS UX31E's.  We do consider
16:12:22 <apw> these critical issues to fix before release and believe it does warrant a
16:12:24 <apw> Beta Freeze exception.  This change is key to our RC6 testing as we are
16:12:26 <apw> unable to request the valid upstream combinations without it.  As such,
16:12:28 <apw> we have requested and received approval from the release team to upload.
16:12:30 <apw> The upload was done about 10 minutes ago, we will be monitoring.
16:12:32 <apw> 
16:12:34 <apw> ..
16:12:36 <apw> skaet, on the apparmor patches, i don't think we have them yet so depend when they drop ..
16:12:54 <ScottK> Kernel is accepted and building now.
16:13:00 <skaet> Thanks apw.
16:13:18 <arosales> apw:  Is the RC6 bug, 937378?
16:13:56 <arosales> looks to be so
16:14:10 <apw> that looks to be the regression yes ...
16:14:28 <apw> still waiting on testing there by the looks of it ..
16:14:58 <arosales> apw, it looks like the other one mentioned on the wiki is 935965. Any other feeback? Testers reporting good power savings? Seems like it would be pretty advantageous, thanks for adding it :-)
16:15:36 <apw> yes those who it works for are seeing 10's of percent improvement
16:15:59 <arosales> good to hear, makes my battery happy :-)
16:16:07 <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - stgraber
16:16:10 * stgraber waves
16:16:11 <Riddell> I accepted the linux uploaded a little while ago
16:16:15 <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000878.html
16:16:41 <stgraber> questions?
16:17:15 <Riddell> stgraber: nothing else for beta?
16:17:19 <stgraber> (I added a few comments to bug 926859 trying to explain why using compiz with llvmpipe by default is a bad idea)
16:17:20 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 926859 in unity "llvmpipe software rendering needs blacklisting in unity-support-test" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926859
16:17:26 <stgraber> Riddell: installer fixes ;)
16:17:47 <ScottK> Will the updated kernel also need a DI upload?
16:17:49 <stgraber> but besides that, no, I think we're pretty much done with features now that whoopsie is in
16:18:10 <stgraber> ScottK: AFAICS there wasn't an ABI bump, so no, unless we care about the RC6 fix in the netinstall images
16:18:34 * ScottK guesses we don't.
16:19:17 <skaet> Riddell,  yeah see jibel's QA email...  :)
16:19:18 <stgraber> I assumed that too, so there shouldn't be a d-i rebuilt for beta-1 (I refreshed it yesterday already)
16:19:44 <stgraber> unless something else breaks obviously...
16:19:45 <skaet> thanks stgraber good to know.
16:19:46 <stgraber> ..
16:20:09 <Riddell> a bug free ubiquity is nice for a beta
16:20:35 <skaet> dbarth,  can you comment on the compiz issues in your section...
16:20:37 <stgraber> Riddell: not sure I can promise that ;)
16:20:52 * skaet figures he wants to look up the details ;)
16:21:23 <stgraber> but all beta1 targeted installer bugs should be fixed early next week and probably a bunch more
16:21:24 <skaet> Thanks stgraber for getting the queuebot working on the unapproved queue.   MUCH APPRECIATED!.  :)
16:21:26 <stgraber> ..
16:21:58 <stgraber> skaet: np, was surprisingly easy to rewrite ;) I think I spent more time trying to find the existing code than rewriting it from scratch ;)
16:22:25 <Daviey> stgraber: you re-wrote it from scratch?!
16:22:38 <skaet> stgraber,  awsome.   Lets make sure its checked in and accessible so we don't go through this exercise again.  :)
16:22:55 <stgraber> skaet: it also allows for monitoring of other queues like New if that's something useful for #ubuntu-release
16:23:31 <stgraber> Daviey: yeah ... well, current version is < 60 lines of code, so wasn't exactly difficult ;)
16:23:34 <stgraber> ..
16:23:37 <skaet> stgraber,  yes,  that would be.   Lets talk about it in the #ubuntu-release channel after the meeting.
16:24:11 * skaet wonders if it can say who accepted the unapproved too... ?  but later.  :)
16:24:19 <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - arosales
16:24:30 <arosales> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000887.html
16:24:35 <arosales> Apologies for the late post once again. We'll get our game together soon.
16:24:42 <arosales> Not a lot of new items to report on this week. OpenStack keystone-lite will replace keystone in the next week.
16:24:53 <arosales> Any questions?
16:24:59 <Riddell> arosales: uploads in unapproved?
16:25:04 <Riddell> swift?
16:25:19 <Riddell> nova?  python-novaclient?
16:25:27 <arosales> Daviey: any updates on swift ^
16:25:36 <Daviey> Hey
16:25:54 <Riddell> there are, and we need to be told why they're important for beta
16:26:01 <Daviey> Riddell: What part of it?
16:26:01 <Daviey> (can you expand the question)
16:26:14 <Riddell> Daviey: we'll do this in #u-release
16:26:19 <pitti> they don't link to any RC bugs (or other bugs)
16:26:26 <pitti> so need a separate explanation
16:26:32 <Daviey> Riddell: right... So.. for the last few releases it's been something which has been followed.
16:26:47 <Daviey> We track usptream to completition, where they track our dev cycle.
16:27:12 <Daviey> It has a good functional and unit test suite.
16:27:32 <Daviey> If this is a process we should re-visit, then we can have that as a seperate discussion
16:27:41 <Riddell> Daviey: all fine, what's the reason to upload during beta freeze?
16:27:57 <Daviey> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20OpenStack%20Testing/ , is there to add confidence
16:28:07 <skaet> arosales,  is bug 924739 any ETA when this is likely to land?
16:28:08 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 924739 in squid3 (Ubuntu Precise) "after upgrade from oneiric to precise, previous squid config unused, cannot be used when relocated" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924739
16:28:45 <Daviey> Riddell: In retrospect, it could probably have been held back.. However, i'd quite like it to land in the beta.
16:29:21 * skaet wondering if in time for beta or if this is release note material?
16:29:22 <arosales> skaet: I need to check on an ETA with Adam, but the issue has been identified as far as the config.
16:29:27 <Riddell> ok, a cheeky late upload, you can buy me and skaet and pitti beers to get it through
16:29:50 <skaet> thanks arosales. :)
16:30:10 <arosales> skaet: I'll follow up with you later today
16:30:16 <pitti> arosales, Daviey: so you shall have it, accepted
16:31:20 <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team?   Q&A - ogra_
16:31:24 <Daviey> pitti: thanks :)
16:31:31 <ogra_> sooo ...
16:31:37 <ogra_> let me shock you guys a bit :)
16:31:42 <arosales> pitti: Riddell: skaet: thanks :-)
16:31:53 <ogra_> there was no mail for ubuntu-arm ... since there is no ubuntu-arm anymore ...
16:32:10 <ScottK> Where did it go?
16:32:14 <ogra_> from monday on it is expected that all platform teams care for their arm bits themselves
16:32:44 <ogra_> so i would like to ask Daviey to report for arm server issues, stgraber for arm foundation issues, pitti for arm desktop etc ...
16:32:56 <ogra_> the team itself got spread across platform
16:33:03 <pitti> yes, makes sense
16:33:10 * skaet nods
16:33:22 <ogra_> and indeed if you have arm issues, feel free to contact people from the former arm team during the transition time
16:33:35 <pitti> FWIW, we already tracked arm* stuff the same like x86 in stable+1 and other tracking, but of course so far we relied on the arm team to sort out the difficult failurres
16:33:54 <ogra_> theoretically every team was supposed to have an arm person during the transition ,... desktop somehow didnt get one though
16:34:01 <ogra_> right
16:34:17 <stgraber> oh, and I'd like to welcome ogra_ and infinity in the Foundations team (starting on Monday)!
16:34:24 <ogra_> the expectation is that arm doesnt get treated differently from x86 or amd64 from now on
16:34:56 <ogra_> heh, yeah, adam and i are in foundations now ... still caring for arm stuff ... but in the place where it should be cared for (platform)
16:35:06 <ogra_> not in some elite team or so :)
16:35:16 <ogra_> ..
16:35:33 * skaet is glad to see ogra_ and infinity in foundations team too.  :)
16:35:50 <Daviey> I'd rather see them in server :)
16:36:06 <skaet> Thanks ogra_!
16:36:24 <ogra_> Daviey, ask victorp, probably he can help here ;)
16:36:32 <Riddell> ogra_: so desktop should be hiring someone?
16:36:53 <pitti> well, we don't hire an amd64 person
16:36:59 <ogra_> right
16:37:00 <pitti> I guess we just need to get some arm hardware
16:37:05 <Riddell> pitti: ok but do we have the hardware and skills needed?
16:37:10 <pitti> hardware, no
16:37:12 <ogra_> yeah, your manager should approve a panda or so
16:37:18 <Riddell> pitti: I do, but I need time and help to set it up
16:37:20 <victorp> Daviey we could move you to foudations as a swap :)
16:37:24 <pitti> skills> I expect most of the difficult stuff (compiler, linux) to not live in desktop anyway
16:37:29 <ogra_> victorp, lol
16:37:32 <pitti> so far any arm issue I looked at was relatively easy
16:37:46 <ogra_> if its not LibO or mono, thats true
16:37:49 <Riddell> pitti: graphics is fiddly for arm, anything using gl
16:37:53 <ogra_> there are a bunch of nasty packages
16:37:55 <ogra_> ..
16:37:55 <Riddell> and of course qt and the qreal fun
16:38:02 <pitti> it took me two days to fix a postgresql bug, but I guess in cases like theses we can still knock on infinity's or janimo's door and ask kindly
16:38:09 <ScottK> Riddell: Those are at least easy (if tiring)
16:38:13 <ogra_> right
16:38:22 <pitti> Riddell: true that
16:38:26 <Riddell> ScottK: you can also rent out your arm machines to desktop for a suitably large fee
16:38:27 <ogra_> the arm team isnt gone, we are just in other places
16:38:49 <ScottK> Once I get a new router for that network segment.  Sure.
16:38:57 <Daviey> ScottK: Talking of which... what happend to those MOTU machines?
16:39:02 <Daviey> ScottK: you had 2 x ARM machines for MOTU use?
16:39:07 <Riddell> ScottK: new issues aren't so easy, I couldn't work out a fix for compiz
16:39:07 <Daviey> \o/
16:39:12 <ScottK> Daviey: See my previous comment about dead router.
16:39:34 <Riddell> ScottK: get jason to expense it
16:39:46 <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo
16:39:47 <Riddell> (but he's on holiday for the next week i think)
16:39:48 <ScottK> Also they aren't hardware Ubuntu supports, so I have to rework them to a more modern release.  Probably debian testing armhf.
16:40:03 <fabo_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000889.html
16:40:04 <ScottK> Riddell: It's not the cost it's the time to drive to the store.
16:40:32 <fabo_> in addition, we want to update live-build (as discussed with skaet)
16:40:52 <fabo_> after beta1 might be a good timing
16:41:22 <skaet> stgraber, pitti, ScottK, Riddell, ^ any thoughts about timing/concerns?
16:41:22 <fabo_> Thanks to Ubuntu ARM team and see you in your new assignment :)
16:41:26 <fabo_> ..
16:41:44 <skaet> thanks fabo_ :)
16:42:00 <ScottK> I'd suggest if it's ready now, sooner is better than later.
16:42:02 <pitti> skaet: linaro builds shouldn't affect us?
16:42:30 <stgraber> sorry I need a second, the linaro e-mail got on the list very late so haven't had a chance to read pre-meeting
16:42:53 <skaet> pitti, thought there might be common code,  but we can carry on the discussion in #ubuntu-release after meeting.
16:43:55 <stgraber> fabo_: would like to see some details on what's in that update live-build and how it'll impact Ubuntu, though #ubuntu-release is fine for that
16:44:12 <fabo_> stgraber: ok, np.
16:45:00 <skaet> fabo_,  any thoughts on when the smaller compiz patch (OpenGL ES2.0) will be available for review?
16:45:43 <fabo_> skaet: no ideas right now, but asap. it's a high prio
16:46:03 <skaet> fabo_,  fair 'nuf.  Thanks.
16:46:41 <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
16:46:48 <pitti> report at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000880.html
16:46:57 <pitti> st landed new firefox/tbird with an estimated 5 MB saving of CD space, leaving some 3 or 4 to be taken off
16:46:59 <pitti> option 1 (and my preferred one) is to drop python3 again by switching lsb-release back to python2; lsb-release is currently the only package using python3 on the CD, so we'd carry those 4.5 MBs just for this
16:47:01 <pitti> the default option is as always to kick off yet another langpack; we only have Spanish, Portugese, and Chinese left to sacrifice now, though
16:47:03 <pitti> ..
16:47:29 <pitti> ScottK, doko, stgraber: any opinion on python3?
16:47:31 <ogra_> skaet, i'll still take care for that patch on teh plkatform side ... no worries, i'll keep you updated
16:47:32 <ogra_> ..
16:47:49 <Riddell> pitti: any reason not to drop python3?
16:47:49 * skaet thanks ogra_ :)
16:47:54 <ScottK> pitti: Removing it would make barry very sad.
16:48:06 <pitti> I bet
16:48:09 <ScottK> Other than that, I think it's fine.
16:48:15 <pitti> but carrying it for a 20 line lsb-release script seems a bit heavy
16:48:21 * ScottK agrees.
16:48:24 <doko> pitti: apport still not using python3? lame ...
16:48:32 <pitti> doko: -ENOLAUNCHPADLIB
16:48:43 <pitti> at least from next cycle on we'll have bigger image sizes
16:49:09 <stgraber> I tend to agree carrying a full language for just a 20 lines script sounds like a waste of space, it's sad not more stuff are using python3 yet though
16:49:13 <ScottK> Dropping it would help all the images, right?
16:49:17 <pitti> yes
16:49:19 <doko> pitti: please check with barry, I'm fine with it
16:49:26 <pitti> ack
16:50:10 <skaet> Thanks pitti.   sounds like we have a decision.
16:50:26 * skaet won't bring it up at end now.... ;)
16:50:29 <pitti> I'll prepare the upload after barry acks
16:50:51 <skaet> any other questions for desktop before moving on? ...
16:51:07 <skaet> [TOPIC] Unity Framework Team Q&A - dbarth
16:51:41 <skaet> hmm... don't see dbarth in the channel...
16:52:00 <skaet> [TOPIC] Unity Services and Settings Team  Q&A - Cimi
16:52:05 <Cimi> hello!
16:52:18 <Cimi> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000884.html
16:52:39 <Cimi> Yet another intense week for the team :-)
16:52:58 <Cimi> as you can see, lots of bugs fixed
16:53:18 <Cimi> thanks to Coverity as well, nice work from the QA team and our engineer
16:53:38 <Cimi> we were able to spot new bugs and improve the quality of our libraries
16:53:49 <Cimi> on the FFe/UIFes
16:54:01 <Cimi> I've updated the list with the remaining links
16:54:17 <Cimi> I'd like to hear your feedback on this side, if there's any
16:54:58 <Cimi> especially on the the two requests of the GMenuModel in Hud, and extended support for XUL apps
16:55:21 <Cimi> we're not sure they should be considered as bugfixes or exceptions
16:56:07 <Cimi> on the UIFe, I think there shouldn't be problems for the 1st one, the 2nd I was currently working on
16:56:34 <Cimi> I'll try to make the change really subtle (and not as in the bugreport community contribution)
16:56:43 <Cimi> I'm open to all your requests
16:56:43 <Cimi> ..
16:57:38 <skaet> pitti, any concerns from desktop team on the FFes/UIFes  ?
16:57:59 <pitti> I haven't actually seen a lot from DX?
16:58:09 <pitti> we got two metric tons from online services
16:58:20 <pitti> (or I don't remember any more)
16:58:45 <Riddell> pitti: "tonnes" :)
16:58:57 <skaet> heh,  yeah its that time in the release... memory stack overflow for all.
16:59:56 <skaet> Cimi,  thanks for the details.   Will follow up after meeting.
17:00:04 <Cimi> cool
17:00:56 <Cimi> I think I'm done then, all silent means all good :-)
17:01:00 <skaet> Thanks to the team for all the bug fixes.  :)
17:01:13 <Cimi> our pleasure and our job :)
17:01:15 <skaet> yup silence is good. :)
17:01:28 <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell
17:01:55 <Riddell> hi
17:02:00 <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000888.html
17:02:16 <Riddell> still more politics than coding but kubuntu-active might appear any time now
17:02:19 <Riddell> ..
17:02:39 <skaet> Thanks Riddell.
17:03:12 * skaet figures that Riddell gets to teach the publishers about it,  if its ready for B1 - so that issue will get handled ;)
17:03:28 <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber or highvoltage
17:03:38 <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-February/000875.html
17:04:04 <stgraber> I think we're in pretty good shape for beta-1 now and don't expect much to change for this cycle
17:04:11 <skaet> :)
17:04:15 * skaet glad to hear that
17:04:21 <stgraber> we'll probably get more bugfix releases of epoptes and LTSP but both projects are in feature freeze too
17:04:39 <stgraber> ..
17:04:53 <skaet> Thanks stgraber.:)
17:05:02 <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick
17:05:53 * skaet sees madnick in the channel....
17:05:59 <skaet> any other xubuntu folk around?
17:07:04 <skaet> not seeing ubuntu studio folk either,  and lubuntu said they'll not make it.
17:07:14 <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney
17:07:36 * ScottK knows there's a GHC6 transition going on.
17:08:10 <skaet> thanks ScottK.
17:08:47 <skaet> just a reminder to all,  if an unseeded universe package/fix is ready - please highlight that on #ubuntu-release channel, so we can let it through during the beta freeze.
17:09:12 <ScottK> I'm been pushing them through as I see them.
17:09:16 <ScottK> I'm / I've
17:09:25 <skaet> thanks ScottK.  :)
17:09:29 <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business, comments,  questions?
17:09:32 <pitti> me too, yes
17:09:36 <ScottK> I'm guessing that what's in queue for the powerpc builders already will have them busy most of the weekend.  There's LO and two openjdk uploads that aren't even started yet.  Particularly since it's gcc and a kernel build in progress now.
17:09:40 <pitti> skaet: meeting format/
17:10:05 <skaet> pitti,  ok - we're over the hour, but yes..  :)
17:10:22 <Riddell> I'd rather have an open meeting
17:10:23 <skaet> Proposal on the table is to change the format of this meeting
17:10:32 <Riddell> it would encourage me to send the e-mail earlier
17:10:34 <skaet> to an open meeting,  rather than a round table.
17:10:44 <Riddell> and to read over other e-mails if skaet pinged 30 mins before the meeting :)
17:10:51 <pitti> so we'll throw in questions instead of waiting for our turn
17:11:01 <skaet> For this to work,  e-mails will need to be in 2 hours before the meeting.
17:11:04 <ScottK> Sending the mails doesn't seem to have shortened the meeting as it is.
17:11:09 <pitti> yes, the idea was to read the mails before theh meeting and then have questions ready
17:11:19 <pitti> well, it used to be 1.5 hours
17:11:21 <Riddell> the current format is too much waiting for no good reason
17:11:43 <pitti> but I guess many people do other stuff at the side, which probably slows it down as a whole
17:11:48 * pitti is guilty of that himself
17:11:51 <skaet> If folks can get their emails in we can try the open format after the initial annonce.
17:11:58 <ScottK> Could we just have a discussion on the mail list and do away with the meeting?
17:12:13 <Riddell> nah meeting is useful
17:12:20 <skaet> ScottK,  its efficient for some issues to get resolved to have this meeting.
17:12:23 <highvoltage> oops, I missed the Edubuntu part (I guess that's a problem with the waiting, you get distracted :) )
17:12:25 <Riddell> but it can be short without all the waiting
17:12:32 <Riddell> highvoltage++
17:12:39 <ScottK> OK.  Maybe people should ask their questions on the list as much as possible too.
17:12:54 <pitti> yes, I think IRC has better turnarounds
17:12:56 <skaet> ScottK ++
17:13:13 <ScottK> pitti: Sure, but let's keep the meeting to the stuff that really needs to be real time.
17:13:18 <pitti> but we could certainly do 30 intense minutes (or less in some meetings which aren't right before a beta) instead of the waiting round
17:13:21 <Riddell> skaet: can you send a reminder to send e-mails and another one 30 mins before meeting to read over them?
17:13:39 <pitti> ScottK: right, and we did resolve questions on the ML before, too (I agree, when possible that makes sense)
17:14:01 <skaet> Riddell,   its early in the morning for me,  rather this just be a self reminding cron job for folks if they need reminders.
17:14:20 * arosales will work on getting Server team update in a timely manner
17:15:18 <skaet> all in favor of having emails in 2 hours before,  and going to open forum Q&A session,  please vote  +1,  all wanting to keep with current round table -1 please.....  anyone know the runes?
17:15:45 * skaet figures there's a way to trigger the vote and get those quiet ones to weigh in..
17:15:57 <Riddell> skaet: cron is fine :)
17:15:58 <pitti> #vote
17:16:04 * skaet thanks pitti
17:16:05 <Riddell> +1
17:16:07 <stgraber> skaet: #vote subject of the vote
17:16:17 <pitti> only skaet can issue it
17:16:37 * Riddell out
17:16:39 <skaet> #vote change meeting to open Q&A rather than round table.
17:16:39 <meetingology> Please vote on: change meeting to open Q&A rather than round table.
17:16:39 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
17:16:43 <pitti> Riddell: hm, I just read them as they come in
17:16:48 <pitti> +1
17:16:48 <meetingology> +1 received from pitti
17:16:58 <mdeslaur> +1
17:16:58 <meetingology> +1 received from mdeslaur
17:17:13 <stgraber> +1 [Please send your team reports early ...]
17:17:13 <meetingology> +1 [Please send your team reports early ...] received from stgraber
17:17:45 <arosales> +1
17:17:45 <meetingology> +1 received from arosales
17:17:50 <fabo_> +1
17:17:50 <meetingology> +1 received from fabo_
17:18:28 <skaet> jibel, mlegris, apw ^ any thoughts?
17:18:45 <skaet> Cimi ^?
17:18:45 <jibel> +!
17:18:48 <jibel> +1
17:18:48 <meetingology> +1 received from jibel
17:18:50 <apw> +0
17:18:50 <meetingology> +0 received from apw
17:18:59 <skaet> +0
17:18:59 <meetingology> +0 received from skaet
17:20:12 * skaet not seeing any more votes,  but seems we probably have quorum
17:20:16 <pitti> skaet: #endvote
17:20:21 <skaet> #endvote
17:20:21 <meetingology> Voting ended on: change meeting to open Q&A rather than round table.
17:20:21 <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
17:20:21 <meetingology> Motion carried
17:20:26 * skaet thanks pitti  :)
17:21:11 <skaet> Thanks mlegris, jibel, mdeslaur, apw, stgraber, arosales, ogra_, fabo, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, Riddell,  ScottK
17:21:17 <mdeslaur> thanks skaet
17:21:17 <skaet> #endmeeting