#title #ubuntu-meeting: Lubuntu Team Meeting Meeting started by gilir at 20:02:06 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-08-20.02.log.html . == Meeting summary == *phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team ''ACTION:'' gilir to reduce size of ppc alternate daily (gilir, 20:09:57) *phillw - Weekly report - Update from comms team *Unit193 - Weekly report - Update from IRC OP's team *gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams *MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team *Yorvyk - Inclusion of clipboard manager or similar. Bug #926893 ''ACTION:'' gilir to summarize and document clipboard issue on the mailing list (gilir, 21:02:44) Meeting ended at 21:04:54 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * gilir to reduce size of ppc alternate daily * gilir to summarize and document clipboard issue on the mailing list == Action items, by person == * gilir ** gilir to reduce size of ppc alternate daily ** gilir to summarize and document clipboard issue on the mailing list == People present (lines said) == * gilir (76) * wxl (44) * MrChrisDruif (25) * leszek (25) * rafaellaguna (15) * StephenSmally (14) * phillw (13) * anliot (13) * Yorvyk (9) * Unit193 (8) * meetingology (5) * ubottu (1) == Full Log == 20:02:06 #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 20:02:06 Meeting started Wed Feb 8 20:02:06 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:02:06 20:02:06 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:02:14 * wxl just added one last item… 20:02:20 hi :) 20:02:41 o/ 20:02:46 o/ 20:02:53 :) 20:03:04 as usual, agenda available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:03:16 _/\o/\_ 20:03:19 ;) 20:03:54 and as a quick note, sorry for being quite this past few days, it should be ok now :) 20:04:54 Everybody has personal life 20:05:11 OK the rest of us managed to make enough noise to compensate :) 20:05:21 phillw, I don't see any actions items from last meeting, so I'm moving to the items :) 20:06:14 #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team 20:06:46 I brought up that the ppc alternate vanished from alpha2 area. It appears a misunderstanding 20:07:08 did it vanish now? 20:07:12 i thought it was just huge :D 20:07:12 they thought no-one was testing it. They're going to try an get us a CD sized alternate for ppc built :) 20:07:24 its playing seek and hide :P 20:08:00 phillw, alpha2 was a bit messy :/ 20:08:04 we have at least 5 potential testers. would be nice to have more. i noticed today that qemu can emulate ppc if others are interested 20:08:08 one of the tresters did actually install onto a ppc - but I've not had any further news yet. 20:08:36 wxl, what is the actual state of ppc daily (alternate and live) ? 20:09:04 gilir: daily-live is cd sized but is buggy and will not install successfully in my experience 20:09:05 gilir: the normal one is on-size, alternate is over-size. 20:09:27 gilir: as for alternate it is too large-- which makes no logical sense but is what it is (in fact last time i checked ALL the alternates were oversized) 20:09:57 #action gilir to reduce size of ppc alternate daily 20:09:57 * meetingology gilir to reduce size of ppc alternate daily 20:09:57 wxl: maybe taskel issue here 20:10:36 wxl: has an update on testing the 'norma' installation. 20:10:39 gilir: check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ -- they are ALL oversized still, not just ppc 20:10:41 I should be able to reduce the size, if there is a bug on another part, we will have time to find it 20:10:58 ouch :/ 20:11:29 downloaded the latest x86 daily-live and it would not boot. seems like the same old crashing dm issue-- not the one where the greeter fails and you can still log in 20:11:31 My guess the alternative iso stores too many packages. Even uneeded ones 20:11:51 there is still unity on the alternate :/ 20:12:04 that might be it 20:12:05 ok, I'll check this 20:12:34 in any case, the lightdm-gtk-greeter and/or unity-greeter issue is still not resolved :( 20:12:39 (sorry, back to PC) 20:13:40 wxl, I can't tell now, need to check what's wrong, I'm still not up-to-date with precise recent chenges 20:13:59 gilir: no prob, just make an action ;) 20:14:11 phillw, anything else from QA ? 20:14:24 there're still people asking if we're using unity or lxdm greeters 20:14:50 gilir: nothing to add. 20:15:01 rafaellaguna, the goal is to used the lightdm-gtk-greeter, no unity-greeter, no lxdm 20:15:14 and of course, no unity by default :) 20:15:34 phillw, thanks :) 20:15:34 sorry i'm late 20:15:35 I know, that's a thing to control, the rumours even fall into Unity 20:15:50 918401 had the most recent news I am aware of. 20:15:50 there is a lot of noise with these alphas 20:16:09 Unit193 doesn't seem here, moving to next item 20:16:35 #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from comms team 20:17:25 the comms team is restructuring, I'll have more news hopefully, next week. 20:17:31 :) 20:18:28 phillw, IMO it's something we have to discuss in private with all the members of the team 20:18:56 indeed. 20:19:32 phillw, let's move to the next item if you don't have anything to add 20:19:57 #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update from IRC OP's team 20:20:48 Right, there's been a problem user that hasn't listened to rules, the IRC team stuff is still pending as far as I know 20:21:56 There was some thought about adding us on the site to clean up spam there too though 20:22:23 Unit193, which site ? 20:22:49 lubuntu.net, but that may have been a thought 20:23:18 mario did request some extra eyes. 20:23:34 Unit193, not sure it's should be the job of IRC team, but if you want to help, I'm sure it will be appreciate :) 20:23:39 Anything else I'm missing, others here? 20:24:04 i'll say one thing 20:24:21 since i was the innocent recipient of the "dialogue" from this problem user 20:24:38 it might be good to have a published plan of action on what to do for the support folks 20:24:52 cuz i would have prolly just let it slide/forgotten about it 20:25:44 He's been a problem with us quite a few times, and in another channel too 20:26:36 so they are only two possible ways, either ignore him or act and warn/kick maybe ban him 20:26:48 i don't mean that kind of action 20:27:16 more about reporting it to the appropriate parties which phillw was kind enough to alert me to but i suspect there are others in support (and the future support team) that may not have this knowledge 20:28:16 leszek: When he tries to join, he'll be redirected to #ubuntu-ops 20:28:28 ah ok 20:29:23 Unit193, anything to add ? 20:29:39 Nothing more unless someone else can think of it 20:29:53 ok thanks Unit193 :) 20:30:12 Unit193: can we put our heads together to get something for support after the meeting. 20:30:22 amjjawad doesn't seem to be here, moving to next 20:30:45 #topic gilir - Weekly report - Update from Devs teams 20:31:12 alpha 2 was released, but only for alternate 20:31:38 just for the record, amjjawad is away for a month, I'll try and keep up with what is going on for him. any of the support team can give me a ping / email. 20:31:39 the live ISO was fixed just the day of the release 20:31:56 phillw, ok, thanks for the news 20:31:57 um, "fixed?" ;) 20:32:30 wxl, yes but maybe it's another problem 20:32:50 also, we are now very close to Feature Freeze 20:33:22 it means, no new feature, no new version (unless bug fixes only) can be added after this freeze 20:33:34 Aloha 20:33:40 yep and I hope the new lxkeymap will make it in time 20:33:56 so after February 16th, it's closed ! :) 20:34:00 sure yes, unlike lxlauncher 20:34:06 I thought there could be made exceptions to this Feature Freeze? 20:34:21 rafaellaguna: i wasn't planning a release for precise 20:34:25 lxlauncher won't make it? :( 20:34:32 leszek, please give us some time for the packaging also :) 20:34:43 :) 20:34:48 StephanSmally: it would be crazy, better next release 20:35:07 for now, only lsc and lxkeymap (the previous version) are on time for feature freeze 20:35:20 rafaellaguna; it *could* always be backported if it's important enough 20:35:35 it means, no lxfind, no lxlauncher v2 by default 20:35:52 and no lxscreenshot i think 20:35:54 MrChrisDruif, yes, exception are possible, but it should be really exceptions :) 20:35:59 gilir: but we can package lxkeymap 0.7.99 and then fix it up til release I hope 20:36:02 agree with gilir about changes 20:36:03 StephenSmally, yes also 20:36:30 ok, both lxscreenshot and lxlauncher needs to be improved, so no problem 20:36:30 leszek, you don't plan to add more features ? 20:36:47 no its feature complete basically 20:36:58 it only needs bugfixing 20:37:09 (anyway i can't get this ubuntu love for feature freeze ;-P ) 20:37:21 leszek, ok, so we can update it as if for feature freeze, but it needs to be fixed for Beta 1 (01/03) 20:37:27 leszek: (cof) and (cof) icon remapping (cof) 20:37:31 StephenSmally: its a necessasity 20:38:11 StephenSmally, it's not a love :) Just a rule :) 20:38:13 Btw, at which topic are we? 20:38:18 well, i get it speaking about software on the os iso, but i don't get it with the software in the repo 20:38:25 gilir: yeah it needs to be fixed thats the problem right now, because I don't have much time fixing it 20:38:49 leszek: i can help in bug fixing if necessary 20:39:05 StephenSmally: that would be really great 20:39:19 are all the bug listed on launchpad? 20:39:34 (or git or something similar) 20:39:35 no not yet 20:40:29 I will list them, but you can also see the bugs in this short video I made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXIMOsYG6h4 20:41:21 Maybe I've got something for the current topic 20:42:00 It's what you could call a "bug" of the lubuntu-core meta-package 20:42:03 ok, i will take a look, are only graphic bug or also keymap handling bugs? 20:42:29 StephenSmally: keymap handling is fine 20:42:46 If you look at the depends and recommends diffs between oneiric and precise, you'll be surprised 20:42:49 so graphic refining 20:43:03 StephenSmally, we can have a look at it after feature freeze, priority IMO is to release lsc ;) 20:43:17 StephenSmally, but we can talk about it later or after the meeting 20:43:20 so only graphical bug so far. The profile manager I added is also misbehaving somehow when you are deleting keymap profiles 20:43:23 yep 20:43:39 Alright, just ignore what I just said ^_^ 20:43:42 k 20:44:12 and to finish the dev report 20:44:37 unfortunatly, the new session manager will probably not be ready for next week :/ 20:44:55 xD 20:45:00 :| 20:45:26 I'm not sure I'll be able to fix it (and the other part of LXDE) before the release, so it's probably safer to keep the current one for 12.04 20:45:50 sorry :( 20:46:08 gilir; will we then be seeing a lightweight solution to the heated discussion of the mailing-list? 20:46:10 yikes 20:46:19 The clipboard manager issue? 20:46:33 MrChrisDruif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda#preview 20:46:38 MrChrisDruif, there is a specific item for this ;) 20:47:07 any other questions ? 20:47:16 I was only going to ask the same thing 20:47:36 #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team 20:47:39 i'm getting some random crashes w/ a daily build from saturdy. someone help me report them or identiy them? 20:48:18 Ah, missed all those topics 20:48:28 anliot, you can ask on #lubuntu chan when you are testing 20:48:38 k 20:49:07 Anyhow, nothing serious to report from the Docs team, other then that Ali is working on different pages of the wiki 20:49:42 ok thanks MrChrisDruif :) 20:49:42 We've still have to get our game-plan defined 20:49:58 that's the fun part :) 20:50:07 Ghehe, yeah....right ;-) 20:51:17 #topic Yorvyk - Inclusion of clipboard manager or similar. Bug #926893 20:51:18 Launchpad bug 926893 in lubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "There is NO Clipboard Manager in Lubuntu - a basic feature yet very important" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926893 20:51:30 Anyhow, we've been mailing a bit on some ideas so we hope to have something more concrete next week, but real life is intervening all the time with me 20:51:37 uh oh 20:51:42 * wxl puts on his flameproof suit 20:52:00 MrChrisDruif, ok, sorry I was a bit too fast 20:52:07 Is there a solution to this bug? 20:52:09 It's alright ^_^ 20:52:25 Yorvyk; according to the mailing-list several 20:52:26 there are many solutions :D 20:52:27 Yorvyk, yes :) 20:52:57 I don't really get the problem of the clipboard manager . CTRL+C and marking and pasting with middle mouse button works fine. Other desktops don't bring clipboard managers by default, so why should we or do we need one ? 20:53:01 the question is, which is the best :) 20:53:24 leszek, well, there is still an issue with leafpad for example 20:53:27 gilir: i don't want to make more work for anyone but i like the idea of lxclippy 20:53:50 try copy on leafpad, close leafpad, and try to paste 20:53:52 control+c clipboard gets destroyed when an app closes. 20:54:04 it's an X problem? 20:54:11 its an x feature 20:54:28 xclip (was that it?) seems like a good starting point. memory usage is small. not entirely sure of its footprint disk space-wise because its part of that whole gaggle of x11 apps. 20:54:45 wxl, but we don't need all the feature of a clipboad manager (like parcelite) 20:54:48 I prefer it to disappear when the app closes 20:54:50 ah ok so the bug should be against lxsession than, correct ? 20:54:58 wxl suggested clipit at one time 20:55:02 gilir: right that's what i'm saying-- just make it simple. just enough to protect 20:55:18 MrChrisDruif: as i pointed out on the ml clipit's memory usage is a little bit larger than xclip 20:55:19 leszek, yes, I think lxsession should handle basic clipboard management 20:55:34 agree, in osx the clipboard contents stay. imagine it with a 16 mb image 20:55:37 gilir leszek +1 i like that idea the best 20:55:50 * MrChrisDruif didn't finish reading all the post of the thread yet 20:55:57 wxl, clipit is a fork of parcelite I think, so it's the same case than parcelite 20:56:35 gilir: as i said, i wasn't suggesting clipit. i was just saying i use it :D but i'm not suggesting lubuntu needs it. i'm saying we make something very simple. just enough to protect. 20:57:11 wxl: for that purpose we don't need an app, just modify the session 20:57:31 rafaellaguna: didn't realize that was an option until now which is also why i said i like that idea the best :D 20:57:48 when you run xclip in --daemon mode it has no user interface period. 20:57:59 it just sits as a daemon and saves the clipboard 20:58:06 of course it seems there are other people who dislike the idea altogether. maybe this should be one of those pre-freeze voting kind of things 20:58:08 like you would expect windows or linux mint to do 20:58:27 i meant to say clipit 20:58:30 one thing that we could do for sure is install an clipboard manager like parcelite (wasn't it in back in an old version ?) but disable it by default. So that the user has to decide if he/she wants to use this feature 20:58:32 anyway we can just "steal" the base xclip code and add it to lxsession 20:58:53 if we're going forward i think StephenSmally hit the nail on the head 20:59:00 leszek, we done this in the past, parcelite was by default, but not started 20:59:04 StephanSmally: yesss 20:59:24 gilir: yeah exactly. So why don't do this again ? 20:59:25 StephenSmally, could be a solution also :) 20:59:29 anliot; is the same with parcellite? 20:59:41 "parcellite --deamon --no-icon"? 20:59:41 yeah 21:00:01 we need a vote 21:00:06 we could argue about this all day 21:00:53 I don't know memory usage differences when running it like a daemon? 21:01:10 ok, I'll make a summarize of the options for thi sissue 21:01:22 I think a bit of benchmarking is needed 21:01:31 no we don't need benchmarking 21:01:33 And which is more supported xclip vs parcellite 21:01:38 its 2-5 megs of memory 21:01:40 we can decide what to do before the next meeting, or during the meeting 21:01:56 so the --daemon = 2-5 megs of memory 21:01:58 period 21:02:03 Yorvyk, and any benchmarking / testing will be appreciate :) 21:02:10 gilir: sounds good. make an action and move on ;) 21:02:12 OK 21:02:44 #action gilir to summarize and document clipboard issue on the mailing list 21:02:44 * meetingology gilir to summarize and document clipboard issue on the mailing list 21:03:00 * MrChrisDruif is off again 21:03:04 the meeting should be finished now :/ 21:03:05 ok ;) 21:03:06 16:03 21:03:09 See y'all later 21:03:13 what? 21:03:18 there's more to do 21:03:21 Yorvyk, can we move your other item to next meeting ? 21:03:22 i guess we'll skip it eh 21:03:45 Yorvyk, StephenSmally and me you mean gilir :D 21:03:48 Yes, as I have to go very soon anyway 21:03:50 StephenSmally, we can look at lsc release tomorow evening ? 21:04:33 yep 21:04:34 ok, leaving. Good night, boys 21:04:48 Bye all. 21:04:50 ok, thanks everyones :) 21:04:54 oh well 21:04:54 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)