18:02:07 <bdmurray> #startmeeting 18:02:07 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 8 18:02:07 2012 UTC. The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:02:07 <meetingology> 18:02:07 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 18:02:29 <bdmurray> #topic Previous Actions 18:03:01 <bdmurray> earlier we had talked about compiling a list of DBus.Error.NoReply bug reports and looking at their status, importance and gravity 18:03:13 <bdmurray> before deciding how to tackle them 18:03:15 <Ursinha> I 'm working on it right now 18:03:17 <bdmurray> I've created such a list 18:03:27 <Ursinha> cool! 18:03:29 <bdmurray> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/834211/ 18:04:19 <bdmurray> the search_text parameter for the API wasn't a huge help so I just looked at all the apport crashes 18:04:36 <Ursinha> regardless the package? 18:04:47 <bdmurray> Ursinha: right ;-) 18:05:55 <Ursinha> I thought there would be more of them 18:06:11 <bdmurray> well apport did a lot of duplicating on a per package basis 18:06:16 <Ursinha> bdmurray, the way you said when we discussed that, I thought there were hundreds 18:06:17 <Ursinha> hmm 18:06:29 <yofel> o/ 18:07:01 <Ursinha> bdmurray, how long it takes for that script to run? 18:07:06 <bdmurray> bug 437883 18:07:07 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 437883 in blueman (Ubuntu Precise) "blueman-applet crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437883 18:07:19 <Ursinha> can we add titles and such to be easier to have an idea? 18:08:07 <bdmurray> actually that one isn't a perfect example but gives you an idea of how apport would mark duplicates about one package 18:08:12 <bdmurray> yofel: yes? 18:08:18 <bdmurray> Ursinha: sure 18:08:27 <yofel> just idling around as I haven't been there for a while 18:09:07 <bdmurray> bug 707990 is a better example 18:09:09 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 707990 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with DBusException in _convert_dbus_exception(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707990 18:09:28 <bdmurray> Ursinha: so what would you like to see really? 18:09:52 <Ursinha> bdmurray, I don't know, maybe the title/package along with the bug# 18:10:15 <bdmurray> okay 18:10:46 <bdmurray> #action bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs 18:10:46 * meetingology bdmurray to improve list of dbus error no reply bugs 18:11:05 <bdmurray> #topic Engineering Team Bug Status 18:11:13 <bdmurray> Ursinha: do you have anything for us? 18:11:45 <Ursinha> nothing specific; I've been working on a bug list sorted by "gravity", will have something to show next meeting 18:12:20 <bdmurray> great 18:12:29 <bdmurray> jsalisbury: anything on your side? 18:12:55 <jsalisbury> bdmurray, nothing specific as well. I've bee focused on bisecting and building test kernels for precise bugs. 18:13:01 <jsalisbury> s/bee/been/ 18:13:16 <Ursinha> jsalisbury, there is a bug I've been hitting lately, not sure it's something important 18:13:26 <Ursinha> (not sure this is the place to discuss as well :)) 18:13:43 <Ursinha> I have a nfs mount that causes ls to hang 18:13:56 <Ursinha> I found a kernel bug today that mentions the problem in natty, and in older kernels 18:14:12 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, hmm, interesting. maybe open a bug and I can take a deeper look. 18:14:14 <bdmurray> how about we talk about it towards the end? 18:14:20 <Ursinha> sure 18:14:51 <bdmurray> I've been lookingat lots of ubiquity bugs the past week 18:15:29 <bdmurray> and have come up with a tagging scheme to identify parts of the installer where people saw the bug 18:15:36 <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity 18:15:46 <bdmurray> in the notes at the end (rather rough yet) 18:16:29 <Ursinha> cool 18:16:56 <bdmurray> and as a public service announcement you might encounter a bug when installing from alpha 2 with flashplugin-installer, if you choose the restricted software option 18:17:05 <bdmurray> that's being investigated 18:17:45 <bdmurray> Lots of bug patterns being merged from Vadim Rutkovsky too 18:18:13 <Ursinha> that bug that crashes the installation? 18:18:14 <bdmurray> Those have actually brought up some old bugs too which has been helpful 18:18:26 <bdmurray> Ursinha: yes 18:18:50 <Ursinha> bdmurray, that's an old bug, isn't it? problem with network manager not being able to resolve the names and flash failing to download... 18:19:18 <bdmurray> Ursinha: yes, its come back and may have something to do with the new name resolution bits 18:19:27 <Ursinha> right 18:20:31 <bdmurray> the installer crashing in this case is bug 876298 18:20:33 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 876298 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298 18:20:55 <bdmurray> anyway thats it from me 18:21:43 <bdmurray> #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention) 18:21:59 <bdmurray> yofel: do you have anything? 18:22:13 <yofel> nope 18:22:54 <bdmurray> anybody? 18:22:56 <bil21al> bdmurray: for your information from my side all the high and critical bugs of empathy are in progress 18:23:09 <bdmurray> bil21al: that's great 18:23:19 <bil21al> hm 18:24:28 <bdmurray> next topic then 18:24:35 <bdmurray> #topci other topics 18:24:41 <bdmurray> #topic other topics 18:24:48 <bdmurray> is there anything else to discuss? 18:25:01 <Ursinha> can I show that bug to jsalisbury? :) 18:25:06 <bdmurray> sure! 18:25:17 <Ursinha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760744 18:25:18 <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 760744 in linux (Ubuntu) "NFS mount hangs ls and nautilus" [Undecided,Confirmed] 18:25:36 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, looking 18:25:55 <yofel> is a symlink in that folder? I've had apps hang on an ioctl() when the nfs mount was hung while looking up the link 18:26:08 <Ursinha> jsalisbury, so, I'm not sure what to change in that bug to add that I'm having a problem with 3.0.0 in oneiric 18:26:19 <Ursinha> yofel, mine isn't 18:27:25 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, you could open a separate bug, we can investigate and mark as a duplicate if it is in fact a duplicate. 18:27:35 <Ursinha> sure, thanks jsalisbury 18:27:49 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, np. sometimes this could be an NFS client issue as well. 18:28:02 <hggdh> I dimly remember an issue with ' ls --color' and non-accessible mounts 18:28:08 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, I recall at one point we changed from NFS3 by default to NFS4. 18:28:14 <yofel> hggdh: that's what I was talking about 18:28:27 <hggdh> the user should try with 'ls --color=no' 18:28:30 <Ursinha> hggdh, hm 18:28:52 <hggdh> this is a known issue, but I am not sure it can be solved nicely 18:29:02 <hggdh> there are at least one coreutils bug on it 18:29:07 <Ursinha> by nicely you mean... 18:29:17 <hggdh> programmatically 18:29:23 <Ursinha> right 18:29:44 <hggdh> yofel: indeed :-), sorry 18:29:47 <Ursinha> I'll file the bug and investigate a bit more, will try the no color trick 18:29:51 <yofel> heh, np 18:30:01 <yofel> you were more accurate 18:30:11 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, can you add the kernel-da-key tag? That will put it on my hot list. 18:30:18 <Ursinha> sure jsalisbury 18:30:24 <jsalisbury> Ursinha, thanks 18:30:55 <bdmurray> any other business? 18:31:02 <Ursinha> no, thanks :) 18:32:09 <yofel> not from me 18:32:43 <hggdh> jsalisbury: I dimlly recollect this being discussed upstream at coreutils -- my recollection is that this would have to be fixed by the kernel, and the kernel folks did not quite agree 18:33:31 <jsalisbury> hggdh, thanks for the info. Was it discussed on LKML? Or just the coreutils mailing list? 18:33:35 <hggdh> Ursinha: there are already some bugs on this 18:33:43 <bdmurray> okay thanks everyone 18:33:45 <bdmurray> #endmeeting