#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by pitti at 16:01:31 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-20-16.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Release general overview - pitti ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-01-20 (pitti, 16:01:55) ''LINK:'' (pitti, 16:02:06) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/thread.html (pitti, 16:02:08) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule (pitti, 16:02:16) ''LINK:'' http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ (pitti, 16:02:18) ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html (pitti, 16:03:07) ''LINK:'' http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ (pitti, 16:03:47) *Hardware Certification team update - mlegris or brendand ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000730.html (mlegris, 16:06:19) *QA team update - jibel *Security team Q&A - mdeslaur ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000728.html for teh security report (pitti, 16:11:43) *Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000727.html (apw, 16:14:03) *Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000737.html (pitti, 16:15:34) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000737.html (cjwatson, 16:16:19) ''LINK:'' http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-foundations.html (cjwatson, 16:16:23) *Server team Q&A - arosales ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000745.html (pitti, 16:17:28) *ARM team Q&A- ogra_ ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000747.html (ogra_, 16:19:51) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000747.html (pitti, 16:19:52) ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.2.1-1ubuntu1/+build/3096697 is the build. (ScottK, 16:23:32) *Linaro team Q&A - fabo or rsalveti ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000738.html (pitti, 16:25:29) *Ubuntu One Team Q&A - joshuahoover *Desktop Team Q&A - pitti *Unity Framework Team Q&A - dbarth ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000739.html (pitti, 16:29:48) *Unity Services and Settings Team Q&A - olli ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000746.html (olli, 16:30:53) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000746.html (pitti, 16:30:53) *Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000741.html (pitti, 16:31:53) *Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber or highvoltage ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000731.html (pitti, 16:34:21) *Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick or charlie-tca *Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000740.html (pitti, 16:37:44) *Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000743.html (pitti, 16:40:18) *MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney *10.04.4 ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=30510 (pitti, 16:42:29) *Any other business, comments, questions? Meeting ended at 16:48:13 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * pitti (125) * ogra_ (20) * cjwatson (14) * ScottK (13) * dbarth (9) * slangasek (9) * jdstrand (8) * stgraber (8) * scott-work (7) * tumbleweed (6) * jibel (6) * madnick (5) * mlegris (5) * arosales (4) * olli (3) * apw (3) * fabo (3) * Daviey (3) * ubottu (3) * gilir (3) * meetingology (3) * Riddell (3) == Full Log == 16:01:31 #startmeeting 16:01:31 Meeting started Fri Jan 20 16:01:31 2012 UTC. The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 16:01:31 16:01:31 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 16:01:44 [TOPIC] Release general overview - pitti 16:01:53 Agenda can be found: 16:01:55 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-01-20 16:02:04 Individual team status links were/will be added to it from: 16:02:06 #link 16:02:08 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/thread.html 16:02:13 Schedule is at: 16:02:16 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule 16:02:18 #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ 16:03:02 Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found: 16:03:07 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html 16:03:12 Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, 16:03:14 should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found. 16:03:16 . 16:03:24 Upcoming Dates: 16:03:26 • 2012/01/19 - 10.04.4 Freeze 16:03:28 • 2012/02/02 - Alpha 2 16:03:30 • 2012/02/16 - Feature Freeze 16:03:32 • 2012/02/16 - 10.04.4 16:03:41 ***WORKITEMS:*** Lots of progress this week, but we're still over the 16:03:43 trend line for some teams. Please review to see and mark what no 16:03:45 longer looks possible this release. 16:03:47 #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ 16:03:55 also, please note how the total number of items keeps growing up 16:04:25 Note: There are now 2721 up from 2541 last week, originally 2084 on 16:04:27 2011/11/25), so figuring out now what is NOT going to happen in the next 16:04:29 5 weeks, and indicating blocked and postponed, would be much 16:04:31 appreciated. 16:04:33 Kate started following up with some individual and teams, and will be 16:04:35 following up with the others next week. 16:04:37 Questions? 16:04:39 .. 16:04:51 While growth in WI count isn't ideal, I think it's preferable to apparent lack of progress due to insufficiently-granular items 16:05:15 yes, if it's splitting existing work into smaller pieces; but at least in desktop we also got some entirely new stuff 16:05:23 [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris or brendand 16:05:28 ah, OK - ours has pretty much just been splitting 16:05:47 hi all! 16:05:50 I didn't see a status mail from cert, so it's not on the wiki page 16:06:19 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000730.html 16:06:45 (wrong date in email subject) 16:06:47 no major issues from our weekly testing 16:07:10 thanks, wiki page updated 16:07:13 (for ogra as well) 16:07:23 .. 16:07:27 questions? 16:07:27 hmm ? 16:07:50 oh, i was just late, sent it at 16:58, sorry for that 16:07:51 ogra_: I mean your report 16:08:00 [TOPIC] QA team update - jibel 16:08:04 * ogra_ sees it in the archive 16:08:34 Team status https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000742.html 16:08:42 ogra_: he's thanking you for it, it's all good 16:09:03 image status and bugs found from our daily testing are listed in the report. 16:09:03 ogra_: I mean I added your report to the meeting wiki page, too 16:09:18 ah, k, sorry, was distracted a bit ... 16:09:25 .. 16:09:33 jibel: thanks, looks like good stable+1 fodder for the next weeks to fix upgrades 16:09:44 any questions for QA? 16:10:31 [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur 16:10:32 Boot speed shows regression starting from 2012-01-18, it's worth an expert to have a look. 16:10:37 pitti, ^ 16:10:37 whoops, sorry 16:10:41 .. 16:10:43 hi 16:10:50 jibel: anything in the desktop time budget? 16:10:57 (ie unity related) 16:10:58 I here in place of mdeslaur today (who is off) 16:11:04 dbarth, no yet. 16:11:07 s/I/I'm/ 16:11:21 jibel: will have a look on Monday 16:11:43 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000728.html for teh security report 16:11:43 Yeah, I started trying to dig into upgrade bugs late this week 16:12:00 any questions for jdstrand? 16:12:13 I was waiting for the other questions to stop :) 16:12:34 but, yes, that mailing list entry pretty much sums it up. As a team, focused a lot on updates after the rally this week, but did continue to work on some work items. 16:12:51 a bunch of work items should be coming to completion within the next week or two 16:12:59 Not much else to report. 16:13:00 .. 16:13:43 [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara 16:14:03 [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000727.html 16:14:05 Everything should have been covered in the email. Any questions? 16:14:07 .. 16:15:09 thanks apw 16:15:13 [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson 16:15:34 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000737.html 16:15:59 any questions? 16:16:16 cjwatson: Was my koffice reply sufficient? 16:16:19 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000737.html 16:16:23 http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-foundations.html 16:16:27 We made good progress at the rally, and the trend line is at the right angle since then, but we still have a backlog to clear up. (That said, there are quite a few "foreign" items in there; we're below the line for team items.) 16:16:31 Nothing else beyond the mail above. 16:16:40 ScottK: Yes, that seems fine, thanks - just wanted to make sure it wasn't drifting 16:16:43 .. 16:16:54 Great. 16:17:20 [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - arosales 16:17:26 Hello 16:17:28 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000745.html 16:17:49 The team continued to make good progress on the CI automation testing as well as defining the hardware provisioning specification. We also have a few openstack bugs we are working on. 16:17:53 There are some 'NEW' Work Items.. There were some incorrect spacing in the whiteboard, causing them not to be parsed. I have defered some other WI's this week. 16:17:53 Thanks 16:17:59 * Daviey goes home. 16:18:23 . . . 16:18:35 Any questions? 16:19:41 [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A- ogra_ 16:19:48 * ogra_ waves 16:19:51 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000747.html 16:19:52 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000747.html 16:20:00 nothing to add beyond : 16:20:18 ogra_: Are you aware of the qtwebkit-source problem we're having? 16:20:28 (fails at link time due to out of memory) 16:20:31 many thanks to dbarth and the DX team as well as rsalveti and the GFX team in linaro for making unity GLES happen after 1,5years now 16:20:34 .. 16:20:44 ahem :/ 16:20:47 infinity is aware of qtwebkit-source 16:20:53 ScottK, yeap, saw that, someone will look at it 16:21:28 dbarth, that wasnt critics, but a praise ... no " :/ " needed :) 16:21:32 .. 16:21:51 ogra_: nw 16:21:58 I was puzzled by the comment on list that qt 4.8 needs newer kernel 16:22:06 ScottK: we're getting new kernels for memory pressure problems, I think 16:22:11 (on buildds) 16:22:19 should already be there now 16:22:21 That's my understanding. Do we have a timeline for it? 16:22:22 because I understood that had already been fixed on the pandas at least 16:22:31 it had 16:22:32 ah, well, that I'm not sure of 16:22:32 and that the other machines were In Progress 16:22:42 but they werent fully through the SRU process 16:22:48 .. 16:23:07 could some buildd admin force it to build on a panda, to be sure? 16:23:18 Sounds like a good idea. 16:23:32 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.2.1-1ubuntu1/+build/3096697 is the build. 16:23:33 babbages have the fix too now ... 16:23:35 ScottK: ping me if you need that over the European daytime, I'm happy to do buildd jiggling 16:23:49 kitalpha does sound like a new one, though 16:23:58 pitti: Could you do it ~now (after the meeting)? 16:24:07 pitti: the panda buildds all have 'panda' in their name now, courtesy of lamont 16:24:08 ScottK: will ping you in #u-devel 16:24:11 Thanks. 16:24:35 anything else for ARM? 16:24:44 er, confusion; I just looked and qt4-x11 4:4.8.0-1ubuntu1 is listed as built everywhere? 16:24:58 oh, qtwebkit-source, o,k 16:25:13 right 16:25:14 .. 16:25:19 [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo or rsalveti 16:25:29 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000738.html 16:26:06 in addition, we started to define usb host, bt, wifi basic testing 16:26:18 it will be done with lava 16:26:20 .. 16:27:07 any questions for Linaro? 16:27:24 [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A - joshuahoover 16:27:35 no report from U1 on the list yet 16:27:58 and doesn't seem online, so skipping I guess 16:28:17 [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A - pitti 16:28:20 * pitti grabs the other hat 16:28:25 report is at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000734.html 16:28:27 bug 916726 got fixed since then 16:28:29 Launchpad bug 916726 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Precise) "Drop extra Java dependencies from 3.5.0~beta2-2ubuntu3" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/916726 16:28:30 otherwise, any questions? 16:28:32 .. 16:28:55 pitti: Do the DNS changes automatically affect all flavors or just Ubuntu? 16:29:14 I think all flavours, it's NM and below 16:29:22 Sounds like. Thanks. 16:29:40 [TOPIC] Unity Framework Team Q&A - dbarth 16:29:45 hi 16:29:48 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000739.html 16:29:56 the report says it all: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus 16:30:07 any questions? 16:30:22 i think i have all of the release team bug now milestoned and tracked; if any are left unattended, please ping me 16:30:32 and i'm looking into the boot time figures atm 16:30:33 .. 16:30:45 [TOPIC] Unity Services and Settings Team Q&A - olli 16:30:53 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000746.html 16:30:53 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000746.html 16:31:07 everything is covered there 16:31:16 any questions 16:31:37 [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell 16:31:53 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000741.html 16:32:12 any questions for Riddell ? 16:32:42 do you know if anyone is working on bug 901638? 16:32:44 Launchpad bug 901638 in unixodbc (Ubuntu Precise) "Remove iodbc2 (causes upgrade failure from Oneiric to Precise)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901638 16:32:59 I have it in my queue :P 16:33:07 i. e. making soprano work with unixodbc? 16:33:11 seems I didn't get too far back then :( 16:33:13 it's a pretty deep issue 16:33:22 yeah, indeed 16:33:46 other questions? 16:33:58 [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber or highvoltage 16:34:10 * stgraber waves 16:34:21 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000731.html 16:34:44 any questions? 16:34:45 I just confirmed this morning that Edubuntu now upgrades fine again (11.10 to 12.04) 16:34:48 .. 16:35:19 do you still have that auto-upgrader tester running? 16:35:35 yep, it's pushing daily results for all flavours to the ISO tracker 16:36:09 [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick or charlie-tca 16:36:11 (sorry we all missed kubuntu slot but nothing else to add from me) 16:36:14 need to refresh the VM images though, it's taking over 2 hours per test now due to the amount of updates to install (using libeatmydata would be nice too) 16:36:15 hi 16:36:17 .. 16:36:31 (no report on the list) 16:36:37 Well, as far as I know, there is nothing going on 16:36:42 this last week 16:36:57 so, no news == no major breakage? :-) 16:36:57 And sorry for the missing report, i was celebrating my birthday :) 16:36:59 .. 16:37:04 madnick: oh, happy birthday! 16:37:08 any questions for Xubuntu? 16:37:33 [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work 16:37:38 * status - http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio.html * blueprint - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio 16:37:44 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000740.html 16:37:52 we made a lot of progress during the last two week 16:38:23 i will also scrub the work items to make appropriate ones at either blocked or postoned as requested 16:38:39 i want to thank cjwatson for his time and efforts to move us to a live-dvd 16:38:42 .. 16:39:01 scott-work: do you plan to already release a live DVD for alpha-2? that sounds like it needs some coordination with ~u-release to build them instead of the alternates? 16:39:08 oh, it's done? great 16:39:33 (don't se it yet on cdimage, that's why I asked) 16:39:56 colin is working towards it, not completed yet 16:39:57 .. 16:40:01 any questions for scott-work? 16:40:12 [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir 16:40:18 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-January/000743.html 16:40:20 hi :) 16:40:34 thanks, nothing to add 16:40:36 .. 16:40:40 thanks, any questions? 16:40:57 [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney 16:41:09 hi 16:41:20 nothing I can think of 16:41:33 (except that someone is thinking of doing an opencv transitino, he mailed the list) 16:41:38 .. 16:41:55 any questions? 16:42:20 [TOPIC] 10.04.4 16:42:25 We froze lucid-proposed yesterday, and today some fixes were still accepted which were targetted to 10.04.4: 16:42:29 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=30510 16:42:35 I cleaned up that list this morning, looks reasonably well now. We mainly need verification now. 16:42:38 bug 810068 is the only outstanding "High" one, but I think cjwatson is handling this? 16:42:40 Launchpad bug 810068 in partman-iscsi (Ubuntu Natty) "kickstart iscsi option broken" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810068 16:42:44 the other three medium ones don't seem like a huge blocker to me, but if someone wants to pick them up, now is the time :) 16:43:21 note that we have daily lucid CDs built now 16:43:44 I'm just not sure that they use -proposed; cjwatson, do they? the cronjob doesn't have a magic flag? or is that set somewhere else? 16:43:56 they're using -proposed, yes 16:44:00 it's done in cdimage and debian-cd 16:44:36 tumbleweed: (sorry, missed MOTU) - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/01/msg00560.html seems like something worth looking into. 16:45:25 ScottK: indeed, this mainly looks like an exercise in dropping build deps or removing packages? 16:45:26 pitti: thinking about it for LTSP, I'd rather fix that cleanly in 12.04 and not try to mess with the udeb in 10.04.4. This particular script tends to break in interesting ways every time I touch it so I'd rather stick with known issues (a race condition so rarely met that the only report I got of it was from Patrick Wright) 16:45:32 ScottK: oh, yes, I saw that this morning 16:45:39 pitti: Yes. 16:45:54 stgraber: yes, I agree; lucid survived until now with that, after all 16:45:56 seems tjaalton is already on it 16:46:12 stgraber: (dropped milestone) 16:46:18 pitti: thanks 16:46:31 anything else for 10.04.4? 16:46:45 anything which we really need to squeeze in which isn't on above list/ 16:46:47 ? 16:47:08 [TOPIC] Any other business, comments, questions? 16:48:11 so, thanks everyone, and enjoy the weekend! 16:48:13 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)