#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by skaet at 16:01:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-16-16.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Release general overview - skaet ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-16 (skaet, 16:01:20) ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/thread.html (skaet, 16:01:20) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule (skaet, 16:01:28) ''LINK:'' http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ (skaet, 16:01:30) ''LINK:'' http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ (skaet, 16:01:41) ''LINK:'' http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html (skaet, 16:01:51) *Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000604.html (stgraber, 16:04:50) *Hardware Certification team update - mlegris ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/precise-testing/precise_alpha1.html (brendand, 16:09:44) ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/bugs/904844 ([Dell Latitude 2110] Screen is blank after restoring from hibernate) (brendand, 16:09:48) *QA team update - jibel ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000612.html (jibel, 16:14:03) *Security team Q&A - mdeslaur ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000602.html (mdeslaur, 16:15:32) *Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000601.html (ogasawara, 16:17:30) *Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000599.html (cjwatson, 16:18:21) *Server team Q&A - Daviey ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000611.html (Daviey, 16:23:19) *ARM team Q&A- ogra_ ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000616.html (ogra_, 16:28:43) *Linaro team Q&A - fabo ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000600.html (fabo, 16:34:34) *Ubuntu One Team Q&A - joshuahoover *Desktop Team Q&A - pitti ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000610.html (pitti, 16:39:36) *DX Team Q&A - dbarth ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus (dbarth, 16:41:33) *Desktop Systems Team Q&A - olli ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000609.html (olli, 16:45:05) *Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000605.html (Riddell, 16:48:00) *Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000603.html (madnick, 16:48:55) *Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work *Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000607.html (gilir, 16:51:46) *Any other business, comments, questions thought of after session passed: ? Meeting ended at 16:54:25 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * skaet (104) * Daviey (26) * brendand (20) * pitti (18) * cjwatson (15) * ogra_ (14) * dbarth (11) * stgraber (11) * fabo (7) * mdeslaur (6) * ubottu (6) * olli (5) * madnick (4) * gilir (3) * meetingology (3) * ogasawara (3) * jibel (3) * Riddell (3) == Full Log == 16:01:05 #startmeeting 16:01:05 Meeting started Fri Dec 16 16:01:05 2011 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 16:01:05 16:01:05 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 16:01:20 [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet 16:01:20 Agenda can be found: 16:01:20 [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-16 16:01:20 Individual team status links will be added to it from: 16:01:20 [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/thread.html 16:01:21 Team status' submitted by EOD Thursday have already been linked to the agenda, others will be added after the meeting. 16:01:22 o/ 16:01:24 . 16:01:26 Schedule for this release will be at: 16:01:28 [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule 16:01:30 [link] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ 16:01:32 . 16:01:34 There are now 2319 work items (up from last week, was 2084 on 2011/11/25), and we're falling above the trend line for features on some projects. 16:01:39 Please review your tasks and make sure status is accurate before the new year. 16:01:41 [link] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ 16:01:51 . 16:01:51 Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found: 16:01:51 #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html 16:01:51 Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found. 16:01:54 . 16:01:56 Upcoming Dates: 16:01:58 � 2011/12/16 - Last meeting of 2011 - best wishes for the holiday break! 16:02:00 � 2012/01/06 - Weekly meetings resume 16:02:02 � 2012/01/09 - DebianImportFreeze 16:02:04 � 2012/02/02 - '''Alpha 2''' 16:02:08 . 16:02:10 IS and stgraber have worked through the glitches, and the updated http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is now operational. :) Daily testing results and bugs can now be logged there now going forward. 16:02:13 .. 16:02:35 any questions before we start in to round table? 16:03:55 (no) 16:04:21 stgraber needs to go early, and want to welcome olli to the round table this time. :) 16:04:30 thanks for the no Daviey :) 16:04:40 [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber 16:04:44 * stgraber waves 16:04:50 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000604.html 16:05:32 Thanks stgraber. anyone have questions today? 16:05:35 I'm still testing the new casper but so far everything looks good, let me know if it's breaking for your flavour. 16:05:48 stgraber: is edubuntu doing anything interesting with LTSP soon? 16:06:26 Daviey: I still need to test the current upstream and upload ltsp and ldm then 16:06:42 stgraber: do you have an ETA? 16:06:46 Daviey: the current version has been patched to work for both Edubuntu and Ubuntu (cherry-pick of a commit upstream) 16:07:13 Daviey: hopefully by end of year, LTSP is mostly done on my spare time 16:07:59 I can easily push a new upstream, but after our hackfest in October, a good part of the initrd scripts and init scripts have been changed in a radical way 16:08:03 rocking! Thanks st 16:08:03 stgraber* 16:08:15 I want to make sure we actually want that for the LTS and that it's going to be supportable for 5 years 16:08:48 * skaet going to wait for the .. this time before going on ;) 16:08:51 otherwise, I may just end up cherry picking some bugfixes and stick with what we have now (which at lesat works) 16:08:54 .. 16:08:55 stgraber: /me has interest.. so please ping me if you want a tester 16:08:56 .. 16:09:01 :) 16:09:05 thanks guys... 16:09:17 [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris 16:09:26 skaet - i'll take this 16:09:33 thanks brendand :) 16:09:44 == What was done engineering wise? == 16:09:44 Testing of the Alpha 1 image on a select batch of systems in the Hardware Certification labs: 16:09:44 http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/precise-testing/precise_alpha1.html 16:09:44 With holidays, not many systems have been tested yet, but no significant issues found on the ones tested so far. 16:09:44 == What's about to land that might impact the other teams? == 16:09:46 Nothing significant. One bug located, but it does not block the system from being certified: 16:09:48 https://launchpad.net/bugs/904844 ([Dell Latitude 2110] Screen is blank after restoring from hibernate) 16:09:50 Ubuntu bug 904844 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Dell Latitude 2110] Screen is blank after restoring from hibernate" [Medium,Incomplete] 16:09:51 == Summary of bugs working on by team (reasonably reliable) == 16:09:53 Nothing that we are working on specifically. Everything is ok certification infrastructure wise. 16:09:57 == Dependencies on other teams, blocking items == 16:09:59 Nothing 16:10:01 == Issues? == 16:10:03 None 16:10:24 brendand: sevrers reliably booting? 16:10:50 servers* 16:11:02 Daviey - haven't got around to them yet, sorry 16:11:04 .. 16:11:28 Daviey - you can see the ones we will be testing there on the report 16:11:30 ta 16:11:42 brendand, has anyone checked if oneiric failures are in precise too? 16:12:31 skaet - i think there are some systems we'll be testing that had serious failures in oneiric. they haven't been tested yet though 16:12:59 brendand, thanks. please flag it to me as soon as you know for sure. 16:13:08 skaet - yep 16:13:15 :) 16:13:29 brendand: we could really do with early warning of pluming issues :) 16:13:41 * skaet not seeing other questions, so onwards... 16:13:57 [TOPIC] QA team update - jibel 16:14:03 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000612.html 16:14:08 anyone have questions ? 16:14:41 Thanks jibel. Right now, enjoying watching the new infrastructure emerge. :D 16:15:07 we do too :) 16:15:22 [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur 16:15:27 hi! 16:15:32 [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000602.html 16:15:39 The security team has been busy doing reactive work. No significant progress 16:15:39 on work items to report. 16:15:49 That's all. Any questions? 16:16:08 Thansk mdeslaur, who's the contact if there's a security isue over the holiday? 16:16:54 You can email security@ubuntu.com. I'm only off between xmas and new year's, but will be checking in. 16:17:05 Thanks! :) 16:17:27 [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara 16:17:30 [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000601.html 16:17:30 I covered everything I needed to in my email. I would just also note that a large portion of the team is beginning their end of year holidays soon, so they may be unreachable starting next week. Any questions? 16:17:38 .. 16:17:50 Thanks ogasawara. :) 16:18:01 * skaet doesn't have questions from the email. 16:18:16 [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson 16:18:21 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000599.html 16:18:29 I followed up to my own mail with a couple of amendments as well 16:18:38 * skaet nods 16:18:43 like others, many of our team will be drifting away on holiday over the next week, of course 16:19:03 the big news from today is that the archive publisher is now running every 30 minutes, after a lot of hard work on optimisation 16:19:09 yeah! 16:19:10 WOOT!!! 16:19:11 wow! congrats! 16:19:13 \o/ 16:19:17 .. 16:19:31 wohoo 16:19:32 Thanks cjwatson! awesome news about the publisher! 16:19:54 will there be +1 maintenance team coverage during the week between christmas and new year? 16:19:59 hopefully it'll stay that way; it may miss the odd run 16:20:07 skaet: very little from my side, I'm afraid 16:20:12 at least until bug 905333 is fixed 16:20:18 Launchpad bug 905333 in Launchpad itself "Ubuntu publisher should trigger scandium in the background" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905333 16:20:19 skaet: that's pitti's area this month 16:20:32 I'll be around a bit and will try to keep an eye on anything archive-threatening 16:20:38 I'll try to have a look every now and then, but I won't be able to sit down for hours to debug stuff 16:20:48 no guarantees over the holidays though 16:20:57 cjwatson, gotcha. pitti, thanks. okie, expectations set. :) 16:20:57 I'm happy to do the odd binary promotion or package rebuild etc. 16:21:03 likewise 16:21:11 but in general, Don't Break The Damn Thing over the holidays, please 16:21:20 or if you do, fix it ... 16:21:21 * skaet nods emphatically 16:21:26 mind you, I'll still be running auto-imports from time to time 16:21:30 then write a test case. 16:21:31 so bear that in mind 16:21:44 cjwatson: yeah, those caused quite a lot of damage, so we need to watch out for those 16:21:53 we had two cases in teh last week alone 16:22:08 I'll try not to do it and then go away for the day :) 16:22:57 [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey 16:23:12 Oh hello 16:23:19 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000611.html 16:23:29 Any questions? :) 16:24:12 Thanks Daviey! 16:24:15 anyone? :( 16:24:21 servercloud-LTS-hardening; servercloud-service-orchestration workitems haven't budged in terms of tracking. symptom of churn going on, or just needs updating? catch up by A2 possible? 16:24:34 * Daviey lookies 16:24:44 * skaet didn't want Daviey sad. ;) 16:25:02 The status could be clearer, but there is a bulk of blocked items 16:26:35 also wondering will arosales be joining us, or will you continue to cover the entire server team? 16:27:13 Som eof the blocked items will updated or dropped i sspect 16:27:30 The boot time profiling needs further discussion to avoid duplication with desktop team 16:27:38 * skaet nods 16:27:50 skaet: I'll sync with him.. and update soon. 16:28:11 ok, will check back with you on the boot time profiling in the new year. 16:28:20 thanks Daviey! :) 16:28:33 super. 16:28:34 [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A- ogra_ 16:28:36 np o/ 16:28:41 hey, thats me ! 16:28:43 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000616.html 16:29:08 questions ? 16:30:12 Thanks ogra_! glad to hear all is well with armhf images. :) 16:30:19 yeah :) 16:30:22 how do they compare in terms of build time with armel? 16:30:23 well, except for them failing to build due to LibO? 16:30:37 we never seeded LibO 16:30:40 ;) 16:30:48 hm, I get failed armhf image build mail every day 16:30:52 but maybe that was a flavour 16:30:54 so, ignore me 16:30:55 from kubuntu 16:31:11 they should probably temporary unseed it 16:31:35 skaet, build time is identical 16:31:59 they *feel* a lot faster on the desktop ... but thats a subjective impression 16:32:11 (though i hear others say that as well ... ) 16:32:12 .. 16:32:26 ogra_ ok thanks. I'll chat with you about it more after meeting. 16:32:33 k 16:32:53 Daviey, did you want us to pause, or just signalling done with the o/ earlier? 16:33:23 if so add comment/ask question. ;) 16:33:44 done earlier 16:33:44 sorry. 16:33:56 np, just confused and didn't want to be rude. ;) 16:34:00 [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo 16:34:20 o/ 16:34:20 * skaet not seeing fabo in channel, moving on. 16:34:28 oh, can't see I guess :) 16:34:34 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000600.html 16:34:40 .. 16:34:49 Thanks fabo! sorry about that. 16:34:54 np :) 16:35:05 o/ 16:35:13 go ahead dbarth 16:35:26 fabo: can you point me at the latest / official branches you want us to merge in? 16:35:33 i've seen one updated 12h ago 16:35:53 fabo: can we see that on the linaro channel? 16:36:21 dbarth: sure, I'll reply on the list. I don't know on the top of my head. 16:36:30 ok 16:37:07 .. 16:37:16 fabo, is there a contact over the holidays for problems? 16:37:59 skaet: I'm around. you can contact me and I'll raise as appropriate. 16:38:16 coolio, Thanks fabo! :) 16:38:36 [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A - joshuahoover 16:39:17 ok, I've double checked ;) and don't see him. moving on. 16:39:28 [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A - pitti 16:39:36 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000610.html 16:39:40 nothing to add really 16:39:59 oh, except perhaps that bug 902553 is apparently still not fixed for all corner cases 16:40:01 Launchpad bug 902553 in perl (Ubuntu Precise) "package doc-base 0.10.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/UUID/UUID.so: undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902553 16:40:08 currently discussing this with the Debian Perl maintainer 16:40:16 but I'll get to take 4 next Monday 16:40:33 questions? 16:40:35 .. 16:40:44 Thanks pitti! none from me. :) 16:41:15 * skaet doesn't see any emerging hands, so moving on. 16:41:25 [TOPIC] DX Team Q&A - dbarth 16:41:33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus 16:41:51 the significant part is the SRU candidate we've wrapped this week 16:42:14 it prepares for the january uploads and can help validate fixes on the stable release 16:42:33 it's *not* pushed to proposed though, to avoid brown paper issues while everyone's away 16:42:39 it's in the desktop-team ppa 16:42:41 .. 16:43:47 Thanks dbarth! appreciate the hold off. 16:43:53 any questions? 16:44:51 [TOPIC] Desktop Systems Team Q&A - olli 16:44:56 welcome olli! :) 16:45:03 hi there 16:45:05 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000609.html 16:45:12 in addition, we have been focusing on libido bugs LP #524541 LP #886335 and LP #898611 16:45:15 Launchpad bug 524541 in ido (Ubuntu) "Volume (slider) item isn't highlighted when selected" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524541 16:45:16 Launchpad bug 886335 in The Sound Menu "Unable to use arrow keys to adjust the volume control in the sound menu." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886335 16:45:17 Launchpad bug 898611 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Slider shouldn't increase by steps" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898611 16:45:39 other than that it's been a quiet week due to a sprint and holidays 16:45:47 any questions 16:46:35 Thanks olli. no questions from me. 16:47:28 [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell 16:47:51 hi 16:48:00 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000605.html 16:48:03 .. 16:48:21 Thanks Riddell. any one have questions? 16:48:46 [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick 16:48:50 hi 16:48:55 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000603.html 16:49:03 that is pretty much it :) 16:49:07 .. 16:49:48 Thansk madnick. :) 16:50:19 [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work 16:50:37 hmm, not in channel. 16:51:32 [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir 16:51:40 hi :) 16:51:43 :) 16:51:46 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000607.html 16:51:52 .. 16:52:45 Thanks gilir. :) 16:52:59 [TOPIC] Any other business, comments, questions thought of after session passed: ? 16:53:19 Comment: some late arrivals in ubuntu-release mail list held up by membership (all who want to post there are welcome and encouraged to join the mailing list) . Please see doko's post on the mail list. 16:54:16 Comment: Just wanted to wish everyone an enjoyable holiday break with their friends and family! Very much looking forward to working with all of you in 2012!! 16:54:16 Thank you for your participation in these meetings stgraber, brendand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson, ogra_, fabo, joshhuahoover, pitti, dbarth, olli, Riddell, madnick, gilir :) 16:54:25 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)